Republican Alternative to ACA

[Boondock_Saint]

This makes me sad...

This is no way for the Republicans to win middle ground. They have been saying (since the passage of the bill) that they will repeal and replace the ACA. Well here we are. Election season is next year and they have no replacement that I have ever heard of.
Hillary is going to win on this issue alone. Not much else is going to matter other then the fact that Republicans have sat on their hands all this time. They are going to live up the great lie that they are a do nothing Congress and it's going to hurt them with the "one the fence" voters.

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[tulc]

This makes me sad...

This is no way for the Republicans to win middle ground. They have been saying (since the passage of the bill) that they will repeal and replace the ACA. Well here we are. Election season is next year and they have no replacement that I have ever heard of.
Hillary is going to win on this issue alone. Not much else is going to matter other then the fact that Republicans have sat on their hands all this time. They are going to live up the great lie that they are a do nothing Congress and it's going to hurt them with the "one the fence" voters.

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About the bolded portion? It's not a "great lie", they ARE the do nothing Congress.
tulc(is just sayn')

 

[Boondock_Saint]

About the bolded portion? It's not a "great lie", they ARE the do nothing Congress.
tulc(is just sayn')

Thanks Tulc. You always add so much to the conversation.

 

[DaisyDay]

This makes me sad...

This is no way for the Republicans to win middle ground. They have been saying (since the passage of the bill) that they will repeal and replace the ACA. Well here we are. Election season is next year and they have no replacement that I have ever heard of.
Hillary is going to win on this issue alone. Not much else is going to matter other then the fact that Republicans have sat on their hands all this time. They are going to live up the great lie that they are a do nothing Congress and it's going to hurt them with the "one the fence" voters.

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Well, that is a problem. It's not as though they have not had plenty of time to come up with a viable alternative - single payer, for instance, would probably be a winner with most Americans. Perhaps they are saving it for after the primary because the fanatics are likely to oppose anything more progressive than dog eat dog.

 

[pakicetus]

Well, that is a problem. It's not as though they have not had plenty of time to come up with a viable alternative - single payer, for instance, would probably be a winner with most Americans.

Letting failures and moochers not die is socialism and thus a slippery slope to the gulag.

 

[Sketcher]

It would probably look like what McCain proposed when he was running in 2008, or if Rand Paul is nominated, a plan similar to what Ron Paul talked about. But Democrats repeatedly claimed that there was no alternative to their plan in spite of all this, and people who listened to their media outlets believed them. This is just a repetition of that lie.

 

[Sketcher]

About the bolded portion? It's not a "great lie", they ARE the do nothing Congress.
tulc(is just sayn')

One party's "do nothing" is the other party's check and balance.

 

[DaisyDay]

It would probably look like what McCain proposed when he was running in 2008, or if Rand Paul is nominated, a plan similar to what Ron Paul talked about.

What did McCain and Paul propose?

But Democrats repeatedly claimed that there was no alternative to their plan in spite of all this, and people who listened to their media outlets believed them. This is just a repetition of that lie.

Is it?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Well, that is a problem. It's not as though they have not had plenty of time to come up with a viable alternative - single payer, for instance, would probably be a winner with most Americans.

Single payer is likely to be a death knell for any party that proposes it.

 

[pakicetus]

Single payer is likely to be a death knell for any party that proposes it.

43 percent of Americans want single-payer, compared to 50 percent who don't. Plenty of Republican ideas are way less popular than that. Plus the Democrats might be able to make it more popular by pointing out how incredibly efficient every other first world country's healthcare system is compared to ours.

 

[Sketcher]

What did McCain and Paul propose?

McCain's plan was analyzed here: A Fork in the Road: Obama, McCain, and Health Care | Cato Institute

Ron Paul's plan was centered on stopping the government's role in increasing costs of health care, and expanding tax credits for medical expenses (Health Savings Accounts in particular). A few more details are here: Ron Paul and Health Care: Interesting View Point | Health Insurance News

 

[Sketcher]

43 percent of Americans want single-payer, compared to 50 percent who don't. Plenty of Republican ideas are way less popular than that. Plus the Democrats might be able to make it more popular by pointing out how incredibly efficient every other first world country's healthcare system is compared to ours.

I don't get why people who would balk at a corporate monopoly would so readily embrace a government monopoly.

 

[pakicetus]

I don't get why people who would balk at a corporate monopoly would so readily embrace a government monopoly.

Because it works.

 

[Sketcher]

Because it works.

Corporate monopolies also work.

 

[tulc]

One party's "do nothing" is the other party's check and balance.

...well the Republicans seem to have got the "check" part down, when were they gong to try and do the "balance" part?
tulc(is just wondering)

 

[tulc]

Thanks Tulc. You always add so much to the conversation.

You're welcome!
tulc(tries to help when he can)

 

[cow451]

43 percent of Americans want single-payer, compared to 50 percent who don't. Plenty of Republican ideas are way less popular than that. Plus the Democrats might be able to make it more popular by pointing out how incredibly efficient every other first world country's healthcare system is compared to ours.

The same poll showed 59% support a program like Medicare that would be available for everyone. Americans would support, generally, a system that covers everyone that does not do away with the current insurance system.

 

[Arcangl86]

I don't get why people who would balk at a corporate monopoly would so readily embrace a government monopoly.

Governments aren't focused on profits, so there is much less chance a government would price gouge then a private insurance company with a monopoly.
Governments are in theory responsible to elected officials, who in turn are responsible to the electorate, corporations are not.

Those are the two reasons off the top of my head, and I'm sure I can come up with more.

 

[brewmama]

Governments aren't focused on profits, so there is much less chance a government would price gouge then a private insurance company with a monopoly.
Governments are in theory responsible to elected officials, who in turn are responsible to the electorate, corporations are not.

Those are the two reasons off the top of my head, and I'm sure I can come up with more.

Governments have absolutely no obligation or even reason to run businesses in a responsible manner, and if you look at any entity that they do run you will see major fraud, inefficiency, waste, and corruption. They essentially run bureaucracies that answer to no one.

 

[Sketcher]

Governments aren't focused on profits, so there is much less chance a government would price gouge then a private insurance company with a monopoly.

$400+ hammers, $600+ toilet seats . . . if the government has spent like that, why not drive up the price of health care even more.

Governments are in theory responsible to elected officials, who in turn are responsible to the electorate, corporations are not.

"In theory" being the operative phrase.