Schools that teach creationism in the science class.

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, the Heaven's Gate cult demonstrated that intelligence can co-exist with religion.

Those guys were top-notch web designers.

Extreme example is extreme and not representative of the many religious people who are scientists or view science and religion as compatible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Extreme example is extreme and not representative of the many religious people who are scientists or view science and religion as compatible.

Psssst, I have two degrees in the sciences. I also have a degree in mathematics (pure math, not applied). Yet I am religious and I enjoy being religious

 

[AV1611VET]

Extreme example is extreme and not representative of the many religious people who are scientists or view science and religion as compatible.

Yes, I know.

Anyone who says, "Moar religin meens less smarts," is blowing smoke.

 

[AV1611VET]

Psssst, I have two degrees in the sciences. I also have a degree in mathematics (pure math, not applied). Yet I am religious and I enjoy being religious

Would you say it is because you prioritize?

Can you balance the two correctly?

 

[sandybay]

Psssst, I have two degrees in the sciences. I also have a degree in mathematics (pure math, not applied). Yet I am religious and I enjoy being religious

You may enjoy it but is it true? or is truth not an issue?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You may enjoy it but is it true? or is truth not an issue?

Tell me what truth is and I'll tell you if it matters. I say that because defining truth is a difficult thing. For me truth matters but for me truth's definition is "that which God is" and "that which God reveals". Some think of truth as "correspondence between concept and reality" but that invites the question "what is real?" and then a whole can of worms is open and the little things are wiggling all across the field of human ideas.

So, yes in my understanding of truth religion is true. Your experience may vary.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Would you say it is because you prioritize?

Can you balance the two correctly?

No, I am not so conceited as to think that I've found the answer to all the philosophical and observational problems that exist between the sciences and religion. To me what matters is "how shall I live?" and how to answer that question. It seems to me that goodness matters and once I acknowledge that what follows is asking "why does goodness matter?" and answering that question leads to God in my experience. Others may reach a different conclusion. Let them be firmly persuaded about their answer. I am firmly persuaded by the answer given in the four gospels.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes, I know.

Anyone who says, "Moar religin meens less smarts," is blowing smoke.

Agreed, although I would say religious extremism on the levels where people are censoring science significantly could contribute to that.

 

[bhsmte]

Tell me what truth is and I'll tell you if it matters. I say that because defining truth is a difficult thing. For me truth matters but for me truth's definition is "that which God is" and "that which God reveals". Some think of truth as "correspondence between concept and reality" but that invites the question "what is real?" and then a whole can of worms is open and the little things are wiggling all across the field of human ideas.

So, yes in my understanding of truth religion is true. Your experience may vary.

Nothing wrong with that.

Bottom line, whatever works for you.

 

[sandybay]

Yes, I know.

Anyone who says, "Moar religin meens less smarts," is blowing smoke.

Agreed, although I would say religious extremism on the levels where people are censoring science significantly could contribute to that.

Religious extremism also demands a great deal of denial, not only denial but very selective denial.
AV, do you believe that Mohammed rode up to heaven on a winged horse? no? but you do believe that Jesus was raised from the dead?

 

[bhsmte]

Religious extremism also demands a great deal of denial, not only denial but very selective denial.
AV, do you believe that Mohammed rode up to heaven on a winged horse? no? but you do believe that Jesus was raised from the dead?

In reality, any extremist view is going to require; denial, confirmation bias and a good set of defense mechanisms to protect the extreme view, from reality.

Doesn't matter whether it is an extreme religious view, or anything else.

 

[sandybay]

In reality, any extremist view is going to require; denial, confirmation bias and a good set of defense mechanisms to protect the extreme view, from reality.

Doesn't matter whether it is an extreme religious view, or anything else.

Yes I really didn't need to include the word extremist, belief in anything without evidence is going to require denial.

 

[AV1611VET]

Religious extremism also demands a great deal of denial, not only denial but very selective denial.

Again, I disagree.

The Heaven's Gate cult were both religious extremists, and top-notch webmasters as well.

AV, do you believe that Mohammed rode up to heaven on a winged horse? no?

Of course not.

but you do believe that Jesus was raised from the dead?

Of course.

And just FYI, I believe Elijah went to Heaven in a tornado.

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And Enoch was taken to heaven by God.

 

[AV1611VET]

And Enoch was taken to heaven by God.

Yes, indeed!

 

[sandybay]

And Enoch was taken to heaven by God.

But not Mohammed.

At least the person or persons who wrote the Quran had the sense to realise a few things,
If you want to travel any kind of distance you need a horse and in order to fly the horse would need wings,
so if Mohammed wanted to get up to heaven he would need a flying horse.
To an illiterate peasant what could make more sense than that?

 

[AV1611VET]

At least the person or persons who wrote the Quran had the sense to realise a few things,

What they didn't have the sense to realize, is that we believe that after the completion of the Scriptures in AD 96, there would be no more prophets; and that anyone claiming to be a prophet would automatically be considered a false prophet.

Knowing that fact would have saved 913 people from Jonestown.

 

[sandybay]

Religious extremism also demands a great deal of denial, not only denial but very selective denial.

Again, I disagree.

The Heaven's Gate cult were both religious extremists, and top-notch webmasters as well.

The Heaven's Gate cult lived in complete and absolute denial of everything that made sense and died because of it.

What has being a top-notch webmaster have to do with denial? nothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Heaven's Gate cult lived in complete and absolute denial of everything that made sense and died because of it.

Is that why they ran a successful business called Higher Source?

 

[Armoured]

Is that why they ran a successful business called Higher Source?

Was it selling flying clams?