If we accept evolution, then where will we get our morality?

[JacksBratt]

Oh, so a mass murdering sociopath is given a free pass because they don't view their actions as intrinsically wrong?

Please show me where I said that. There are two places we are judged and get consequences. 1/ Earthly courts where we are judged against the laws of our land, country, state or province and municipality..... If someone is sick and does atrocious things, they should be dealt with. No free pass.

2/ God will judge us. He will decide, based on our mental capacity, what we were aware of, how much we were guilty of. He is just and He knows your heart, your struggles, your decisions and why you made them.

So. No, a mass murdering sociopath gets no free ride.

What basics? That killing people is wrong? Nope, not consistent in societies at all, you can even find a few where the refusal to kill people is considered more atrocious. That rape is wrong? Not even close, there are still areas of Africa in which men claim their brides by raping them. That stealing is wrong? That one can get so complicated that you can get a different answer from the same person by rephrasing the same situation. I challenge you to find any sense of morality that is consistent amongst our species, because I sure haven't found any.

If I took a pole of the entire planet, what percentage of the populace would fit your scenario? 0.01% or maybe less... and, that's your argument?

You cannot be serious.

Could it not be your bias in favor of the text that blinds you to seeing its flaws? I have no motivation to see the text as flawed, but you have plenty of motivation to see it as perfect.

You refuse to acknowledge what has been said here time and time again. You will be blind until you accept the salvation of Christ. Then you will see and understand things that were right there in front of you. It is your rebellious heart and attitude that blind you.

Besides, the bible already states that NO PERSON IS MORAL (enough for god). Literally, the text itself condemns all of humanity to hell unless people believe. So, if anything, the bible says that all humans are inherently SINFUL.

Well, now were getting somewhere. You are right, no person is moral enough for God. This is why we need our Savior.

All humans are inherently sinful...... EXACTLY.

 

[Loudmouth]

Get with the program!

I said Grand Canyon Erosion, generalizing it to a law that has non-specific applications is irrelevant!

You are talking nonsense.

 

[justlookinla]

The bible doesn't suggest that it is immoral to kill them, with god even killing the newborn child of someone to punish them, and that was a believer. If anything, the bible values the lives of children and the unborn far less than the lives of adults.

Again, is the killing of the unborn immoral?

 

[sandybay]

Three quarters of the world do not seem to have any problem finding morality without the Bible.

Would you say that the Christian USA was a good country to hold up as an example of morality?

Is the killing of the unborn moral? How about the killing of the born?

I was answering a question about morality, what has that got to do with abortion? and why would you answer a question with a question? are you a creationist? if so there is not need to ask another question.

 

[justlookinla]

I was answering a question about morality, what has that got to do with abortion? and why would you answer a question with a question? are you a creationist? if so there is not need to ask another question.

Indiscriminately killing the unborn child is a moral issue, IMO.

 

[sandybay]

Indiscriminately killing the unborn child is a moral issue, IMO.

Are going to help look after the child after it's been born?

 

[justlookinla]

Are going to help look after the child after it's been born?

That's not answering the moral question of indiscriminately killing the unborn child. Or the morality of killing the elderly because they're not worth the money spent on medical care keeping them alive for a couple of years.

 

[sandybay]

That's not answering the moral question of indiscriminately killing the unborn child.

I've stopped answering questions until creationists start answering questions.

Did you know that the states with the highest teenage abortion rates were in the bible belt? apparently they blame the high number of pregnancies on the bad sex education given to the young in those states.

 

[justlookinla]

I've stopped answering questions until creationists start answering questions.

Did you know that the states with the highest teenage abortion rates were in the bible belt? apparently they blame the high number of pregnancies on the bad sex education given to the young in those states.

That's because the bible belt has the largest concentration of blacks who in turn have the highest percentages of abortions.

"According to the Guttmacher Institute, abortion rates among Black women are much higher than we thought: They are four times the rate of white women. The report found that on average, 41 in 1,000 pregnancies among Black women (ages 15-19) are terminated compared to 10 among white women and 20 among Latinas."

Commentary: Why Are Black Abortion Rates So High? | News | BET

Is that immoral?

 

[crjmurray]

That's because the bible belt has the largest concentration of blacks who in turn have the highest percentages of abortions.

"According to the Guttmacher Institute, abortion rates among Black women are much higher than we thought: They are four times the rate of white women. The report found that on average, 41 in 1,000 pregnancies among Black women (ages 15-19) are terminated compared to 10 among white women and 20 among Latinas."

Commentary: Why Are Black Abortion Rates So High? | News | BET

Is that immoral?

That is still an issue of sex education.

 

[justlookinla]

That is still an issue of sex education.

It's an issue of immorality.

 

[crjmurray]

It's an issue of immorality.

Are you implying that blacks are immoral because that's sure what it sounds like.

 

[justlookinla]

Are you implying that blacks are immoral because that's sure what it sounds like.

Not at all. I'm not implying that immorality is the fuel for abortions.

 

[crjmurray]

Not at all. I'm not implying that immorality is the fuel for abortions.

So someone says the bible belt has the highest number of abortions because of poor sex education. You say no, it's because black people have the most abortions. I say it's still an issue of sex education. You say no, it's because of immorality.

Now there's no ambiguity in post 109. You are stating outright that black people have the most abortions. You say it's not an issue of sex ed and you're not claiming black people are inherently immoral. So what are you saying?

 

[justlookinla]

So someone says the bible belt has the highest number of abortions because of poor sex education. You say no, it's because black people have the most abortions. I say it's still an issue of sex education. You say no, it's because of immorality.

Now there's no ambiguity in post 109. You are stating outright that black people have the most abortions. You say it's not an issue of sex ed and you're not claiming black people are inherently immoral. So what are you saying?

I'm saying that the South has a disproportionate black population and that blacks have more abortions, thus the South has more abortions.

Black, white, green or blue, the fuel for abortions is immorality.

 

[crjmurray]

I'm saying that the South has a disproportionate black population and that blacks have more abortions, thus the South has more abortions.

Black, white, green or blue, the fuel for abortions is immorality.

So the reason for more abortions in the south is because of all the black people. The reason for abortions in general is immorality. Those two don't match up unless you're accusing black people of being inherently immoral. If abortions are caused by immorality pure and simple then what reason do you have to interject your comment about blacks?

 

[justlookinla]

So the reason for more abortions in the south is because of all the black people. The reason for abortions in general is immorality. Those two don't match up unless you're accusing black people of being inherently immoral. If abortions are caused by immorality pure and simple then what reason do you have to interject your comment about blacks?

It's a fact that blacks are a higher population in the South and have more abortions. This isn't racist, it's just the way it is.

The fuel for abortion is immorality. That's not racist, that's just the way it is.

 

[crjmurray]

It's a fact that blacks are a higher population in the South and have more abortions. This isn't racist, it's just the way it is.

The fuel for abortion is immorality. That's not racist, that's just the way it is.

If the "fuel" for abortions is immorality then why mention black people as a factor at all?

Someone says the increased abortion rate is BECAUSE of poor sex education. You say it is BECAUSE of black people. Black people have more abortions, true no one is disputing that. But why do you feel the need to bring that into the conversation? As if black people are a factor unto themselves?

 

[crjmurray]

justlookinlas whole argument is that abortions are caused by immorality. Someone points out that the increased abortion rate in the south is due to poor sex end. His kneejerk reaction is to say "well it's cuz of all the blacks". So just giving a recap here.

 

[justlookinla]

If the "fuel" for abortions is immorality then why mention black people as a factor at all?

Because blacks are a higher population in the South and blacks have more abortions thus a higher abortion rate in the South.

Someone says the increased abortion rate is BECAUSE of poor sex education.

When I was growing up, there was no such thing as sex education, God was part of family and immorality wasn't at the level it was today.

You say it is BECAUSE of black people.

I'm saying it's because blacks have a higher abortion rate and blacks are a higher population in the South.

Black people have more abortions, true no one is disputing that. But why do you feel the need to bring that into the conversation? As if black people are a factor unto themselves?

I bring it into the conversation as an indicator explaining the higher abortion rate in the South.