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Schools that teach creationism in the science class.

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If it happens I think this only happens in the southern states of the US but I might be wrong about that.
Even then it must obviously only happen in the bible belt states anyway. (hopefully)

Can anyone tell me what science qualifications teachers are required to have in order to teach science classes in US public schools?
 

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I can't speak to the whole U.S., but I was raised in Massachusetts.

I _think_ there are requirements for science teachers to hold at least a B.S., but I know that it doesn't have to be in the same field they teach. My Physics teacher had his degree in Chemistry (he had "learned the error of his ways" as he told us).

So, it wouldn't surprise me if many people teaching biology, even in the more well-to-do states didn't actually have higher education that included evolution. I would hope they know more than what's in the textbooks because the textbooks all have to be approved by the Texas School Board.
 
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I can't speak to the whole U.S., but I was raised in Massachusetts.

I _think_ there are requirements for science teachers to hold at least a B.S., but I know that it doesn't have to be in the same field they teach. My Physics teacher had his degree in Chemistry (he had "learned the error of his ways" as he told us).

So, it wouldn't surprise me if many people teaching biology, even in the more well-to-do states didn't actually have higher education that included evolution. I would hope they know more than what's in the textbooks because the textbooks all have to be approved by the Texas School Board.

I appreciate they will only have a degree in one of the science's (at most two) but still be expected to read up about and make an attempt to teach them all.

I just can not understand how someone who has been at university for at least three years can still believe in creationism, the two just do not go together.
 
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Yes, there are (sadly). The map below shows schools that are teaching taxpayer-funded creationism. Plus, that doesn't count the many places where a fundamentalist teacher may be teaching creationism and getting away with it.


In addition to that, creationists have caused most public schools to avoid teaching evolution simply by being a pain whenever it is taught (parents complaining). So most state standards don't include evolution, and even in the rare case where they do, most teachers just don't get to that section. For instance, I'm in Michigan ( a "good" state), and from the bio teachers I know, they generally don't teach it to avoid the headache from fundy helicopter parents.

And we wonder why the United States is falling behind in science education!



-Papias

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from Creationism in public schools, mapped. Where tax money supports alternatives to evolution.

state requirements watered down at best:
https://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/state-standards.jpg
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I appreciate they will only have a degree in one of the science's (at most two) but still be expected to read up about and make an attempt to teach them all.
In your opinion, are sfs, pgp_protector, KerrMetric, Lucaspa, and mark kennedy qualified to teach science in US public schools?

(Please answer this.)
 
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I have no idea who those people are so I wouldn't know.
Lucaspa is Director of Research, Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, NYMC.

Here is one of his posts:
Observation. For instance, we know that our species -- H. sapiens -- has not existed forever. We know our universe had a beginning -- it has not existed "forever".

I'm afraid the Aristotlean notion you have has been disproved by science. Now, you can modify your statement and name something specific (as opposed to the all-inclusive "things") that has existed forever and from which everything else has sprung. Something other than God, of course. :) But there are innumerable observations that "things" in general haven't existed forever.

And here is a post by Mark Kennedy:
Seriously Papias, you haven't a clue what is being discussed here, post this, post that, ad infinitum ad naseum and you really don't have a clue. It's the Indels, Darwinians cannot account for them so they pretend they don't exist. That's all this is, I don't owe anyone an apology and I'm not making any kind of a real error. It's just a semantic shuffle, a pedantic correction and the whole thing gets swept under the rug because it easier then the truth. The differences between Chimpanzee and Humans, Gorillas and Humans, cannot be accounted for when you factor in the size of the indels. It's simply unsustainable, especially with regards to the genes involved in the development of the brain.



That wasn't the question, did you go through all of that to make the point that most of the mutations in amino acids are neutral, that was the question Steve? I mean it gets tense sometimes when I bring up indels because so many of these scientific minds want to pretend they don't exist, that way they get to say we are 98% the same in our DNA as Chimpanzees. You the one who doesn't think the mutation rate changes if the divergence is 1.44% or 5%.

That's a long list, transcript errors are not mutations, remember that one?

Is it 98% or 96%? Well it all depends. If scientific professional want to say we are 98% the same it's not a lie, it just all depends. But if I mention indels in association with frameshifts I'm making a grievous error. Meanwhile, no matter how many fundamental mistakes the Darwinian horde makes you never correct them once.

I know why Steve:
We observed a total of 199 differences between the human and chimpanzee sequences:

131 transitions (66%),
52 transversions (26%), and
16 insertion-deletion variants (8%).

Insertion-deletion variants were less than onetenth as common as nucleotide substitutions and consisted of changes of

1 bp (8 mutations),
2 bp (5 mutations),
3 bp (1 mutation), and
4 bp (2 mutations).

Thus, 15/16 of these insertion-deletion variants would have resulted in frameshift mutations in coding regions. Approximately one-fifth of all single nucleotide mutations were transitions at CpG dinucleotides. Estimate of the Mutation Rate per Nucleotide in Humans
So there is never a time when frameshifts are the most likely result of indels? Even when they are not triplet codons? I guess I'm not going to get clarification about that, or what the beneficial mutations you refereed to, or what you were referring to here:



So I go fishing because that's all the Ivy League elitists leave you to do. I find this pretty standard, straight forward discussion:
Mutations are permanent changes in the DNA.

A. most mutations are neutral; they either make no change in the expression of any gene, or the changes made do not affect the function of any gene product.

B. Of those mutations which do make a difference, most have a negative effect.: 1. If an amino acid is altered in the active site region of a protein, it may decrease or destroy the ability of the protein to perform its function. This kind of mutation often leads to a classic recessive allele--an allele which does not produce a functional gene product. Mutation
That sounds almost identical to what I said but I'm a creationist so I'm always being corrected, it's the proper thing to do. Guess that's whether I'm right or wrong.

Except for one thing Steve, I know why you are doing this.

Have a nice day :)
Mark
 
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If it happens I think this only happens in the southern states of the US but I might be wrong about that.
Even then it must obviously only happen in the bible belt states anyway. (hopefully)

Can anyone tell me what science qualifications teachers are required to have in order to teach science classes in US public schools?

In Nebraska one must have a bachelor's degree in Biology to teach Science in public schools.
 
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If it happens I think this only happens in the southern states of the US but I might be wrong about that.
Creationism does not belong in science class; it belongs in history class.

Any state that would sanction teaching creationism in science class has a problem, in my opinion.
Even then it must obviously only happen in the bible belt states anyway. (hopefully)
The Bible belt states need to put creationism in perspective.
Can anyone tell me what science qualifications teachers are required to have in order to teach science classes in US public schools?
I have a feeling you just tacked this on so it would slip past the "filters" here.

I could be wrong, but I detect the real reason for this thread is to vent against creationism being taught.

Either that, or some animosity toward the Bible belt states.
 
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Once wrote:


Did you look at the US maps I posted in post #4 of this thread?

In Christ-

Papias

I don't trust the source and it says public money "may" have been used. It is a whole different ball game when you are talking public schools rather than private.
 
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Fair enough.

Do you think that when posting a statement including "..I don't think there are any..." on a thread that just included two maps with data relevant to the topic, that your reasons for rejecting the data are worth mentioning?

In Jesus' name-

Papias

Had you posted a reliable source with documentation I might have given it the recognition it deserved, in this case I didn't find it to be so.
 
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Had you posted a reliable source with documentation I might have given it the recognition it deserved, in this case I didn't find it to be so.

Why was that source not reliable? If you follow the links it gives you will see how they are skirting the law. For example in Louisiana it is not advocated on a state or even local level, but if a teacher wants to sneak creationism into the classroom they can by taking advantage of this law that was written specifically so that they could do so:

http://ncse.com/files/pub/legal/aflegislation/08_la_sb733-amend.pdf

By trying to call it "critical thinking" they pretend to be offering alternative, though there is no scientific alternative to evolution. And the few scientists that believe in creation know that.
 
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By trying to call it "critical thinking" they pretend to be offering alternative, though there is no scientific alternative to evolution. And the few scientists that believe in creation know that.

When you say there is no alternative, do you mean it's not possible or that none has been recognized in peer-reviewed literature?
 
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By trying to call it "critical thinking" they pretend to be offering alternative, though there is no scientific alternative to evolution. And the few scientists that believe in creation know that.

When you say there is no alternative, do you mean it's not possible or that none has been recognized in peer-reviewed literature?

I think he means there are none that have been put forward which are falsifiable.
I also think you would agree that the "Fairies did it" is not considered to be an alternative.
 
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