Why does Mormonism want to be Associated with Christianity?

[katerinah1947]

Originally Posted by TheBarrd View Post
Sometimes LDS might use the name to refer to the planet, which orbits the star named Kolob by the same name, so calling that planet Kolob is not incorrect. Or so they told me.

Ive never in all my 50+ years heard this one. Perhaps if you gave a reference to it?

Then who is creating the billions of stars right now in the stellar nurseries of the universe from preexisting matter?
Are these false creations?

Hi,
I will do the Kolob part, for TheBarrd, and she might also. 50 years. Interesting.

Kolob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as "stars",[2] and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] The idea also appears in Mormon culture, including a reference to Kolob in a Mormon hymn.[4]

LOVE,
...Katerina., .... .

 

[TheBarrd]

I'm pretty sure you meant "billion," not "million." That aside, I thought that the most recent theories on the universe's origins (or at least the big bang) theorized that the universe, prior to the big bang, was a singularity. There is nothing about energy outside of the singularity having any bearing on it. In fact, I didn't think there was any theory that attempted to penetrate beyond the singularity, to explain what preceded the big bang. Whose theory is it that says energy was there?

Oops...you're right. Billion. Sorry...typo.

There are all sorts of theories as to what may have come before the big bang, but as they are untestable, for our purposes, they don't matter.
However, the third law of dynamics, as well as Einstein's famous theory, pretty well tell us that energy always existed...as in "always existed".
And it doesn't take an Einstein to tell you that, without energy, the singularity would still be a singularity. It takes energy to make something go "bang"...no matter how tiny it is.
Heat=energy
Light=energy
etc...

 

[katerinah1947]

Oops...you're right. Billion. Sorry...typo.

There are all sorts of theories as to what may have come before the big bang, but as they are untestable, for our purposes, they don't matter.
However, the third law of dynamics, as well as Einstein's famous theory, pretty well tell us that energy always existed...as in "always existed".
And it doesn't take an Einstein to tell you that, without energy, the singularity would still be a singularity. It takes energy to make something go "bang"...no matter how tiny it is.
Heat=energy
Light=energy
etc...

Hi,
You have a response to the Friday communication, TheBarrd. Now to the point.

Since
matter = energy
And
energy = mattter
And
neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.
Then The Big Bang of 13,000,000,000 years ago or so, was merely a release of energy, first condensing to protons, then to stars, which then produce all the heavier elements we have on the earth today.
The way I veiw God, He is the manipulator of Energy, and is composed of Energy, thus all things are made of Him, and by Him.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .
P.S. TheBarrd, I am in touch recently with another Priest of the line of Mechizedek. Intereting isn't it?
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[TheBarrd]

Hi,
You have a response to the Friday communication, TheBarrd. Now to the point.

Since
matter = energy
And
energy = mattter
And
neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms.
Then The Big Bang of 13,000,000,000 years ago or so, was merely a release of energy, first condensing to protons, then to stars, which then produce all the heavier elements we have on the earth today.
The way I veiw God, He is the manipulator of Energy, and is composed of Energy, thus all things are made of Him, and by Him.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .
P.S. TheBarrd, I am in touch recently with another Priest of the line of Mechizedek. Intereting isn't it?
LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

Fascinating.

 

[TasteForTruth]

When I say "man" what am I talking about? I am the mother of seven kids, three of whom are boys, all of whom are grown with kids of their own.
A "man" is a mortal being, whose life began when his parents conceived him, and whose mortal life will end at his death. God breathed His spirit (small s) into him, as into his sisters, at his conception, and not before. That spirit, which is the essence of who he is as a man will live after him, but it did not exist before him. In other words, "man" is wholly and irreconcilably incompatible with "eternal".

OK. So your understanding of "man" is a major hurdle here. I suppose that your understanding of "woman" is the same. Meaning, there is nothing eternal about "woman." Is this harmonious with your belief?

But there is more to it than that. God states in the Bible that He, and He alone, is the only God that exists. There are no other Gods, anywhere, not anywhere in all of the Universe or beyond.

I don't agree that the Bible says this, so it might just be best to move on from this point.

He existed before time began. He and He alone is Holy, He and He alone is omnipotent, He and He alone is the Creator of all things.

No objection here.

For a man...a creature made by Him, to suppose that he might one day be as He is seems to be incredibly disrespectful...

OK... here is where your assumption must be clarified. We do not "suppose" that we might one day be as God is. God offers to make us as He is. Are we, therefore, wrong to accept His offer?

With no intention of trying to pour the salt of sarcasm into any wounds, it honestly, with all the respect I have for you, TfT, feels an awful lot like blasphemy.

That's because you believe that it's man's idea and not God's. But we assert that it is God's idea, not man's. How, then, can it be blasphemous? (to us)

Fair enough. I was trying to show you that I understood, because I have dealt with the ultimate skeptics...those who "hate" all things Christian...and not only gained their trust and respect...but actually saw one kneel to pray to the God he thought he hated...
Of course, I did not do this alone. I learned to love these kids from Christians who were much more mature than I will ever be, I'm afraid.

I understand. And it was not my intent to dismiss as unimportant that you have been/are able to maintain good relationships with people who strongly oppose your views.

Thank you for telling me that, TfT. If possible, I have even more respect for you than I already had. Just between you and me, true sarcasm requires some intelligence, yes?

LOL, true enough!

Dealing with my kids, you quickly learn not to pull away from it, but to embrace it. Fencing with mine is a real challenge. It wouldn't do to have a thin skin at my house...they'll send you running in tears in less than five minutes.
I can't imagine where they got it from

LOL, no, I don't imagine you can! (doh!... sarcasm!...I'm caught!)

However, since we are in an internet forum, perhaps it would be best if we both kept our swords in their sheaths. I promise, I will do my very best to resist the temptation...and bite my keyboard-tongue...just try not to give me too easy an opening, OK?

LOL, no promises. You're just going to have to learn to master that keyboard-tongue of yours!

Maybe. I hope you are beginning to understand me.

I would like to think that I am.

God bless.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
The Bible which Christians not only take as the authority on God, But, has been proven in a spiritual way and a scientific way by me even, says that there is only one God:
I think TFT, you said you do not agree, that the Bible says this. Interesting.


"there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
"Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
"Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
"See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
"You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
"For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
"Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
"You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
"O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
"You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
"For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
"You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
"'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
"Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14
"I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
"Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21
"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9

LOVE,
Katherina., .... .

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,
The Bible which Christians not only take as the authority on God, But, has been proven in a spiritual way and a scientific way by me even, says that there is only one God:
I think TFT, you said you do not agree, that the Bible says this. Interesting.


"there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
"Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
"Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
"See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
"You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
"For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
"Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
"You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
"O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
"You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
"For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
"You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
"Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
"'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
"Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14
"I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
"Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21
"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9

LOVE,
Katherina., .... .

I wasn't saying that the Bible didn't have the verses in question. My disagreement was with the interpretation offered. But that's a merry-go-round I don't much care to get on. It is beyond my personal purpose here to engage in interpretive disputes over Bible passages. I will discuss Bible interpretations when the objective is mutual understanding, or even unidirectional understanding, but that's about it.

 

[TheBarrd]

Oh my, I seem to have offended you...and that was surely not my intention.
I apologize.

Actually, I don't think any Mormon has made the claim that one needs a body to be God??? We believe Jesus was God before He came to this earth, we also believe that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is also currently God and does not have a body.
The irony of your statement above is that you separate your God the Father from God the Son when it suits you, yet you insist that our God the Father can not be separated from God the Son in any way.
Perhaps we need to start at the basics in order to get a better understanding of each other...
What makes God, God, in your understanding?

God Himself says, in the Bible, that He is the one and only God that exists. There are no other Gods, anywhere, in the universe, or outside of it. None.
God is absolutely unique, a Species all His Own.
God is eternal...in that He existed before even the tiniest atom. He was not born, and has no mother or father.
He is omnipotent...no other Being or Entity could ever have His power.
He is omniscient...there is nothing at all that He does not know. Are there bacteria living in the molten pits of Mercury? He knows. He knows the deepest thoughts of your heart, and mine...and of every angel or demon.
He is omnipresent. His spirit pervades every single speck in all of Creation. If there is a star, or a planet, called Kolob, then His spirit is in every atom of it, as well. No other god could exist there, nor is any other god needed there.
God is absolute.
I've only got 26 letters to work with here...no language I know of is sufficient to speak of the Awesome Majesty of God.

See what I mean!
Look, it's actually a very simple concept, you just are embarrassed to own up to your own beliefs....
Does Jesus have an resurrected, eternally incarnate body of flesh and bones?
Do you worship Jesus?
Is Jesus God?
Is there only "One True God?

I am not "embarrassed" in the slightest.
Does Jesus have an resurrected, eternally incarnate body of flesh and bones?
That is a very good question. Did you ever notice that none of the people He came to after His resurrection recognized Him? I have often wondered about that...perhaps they were just shocked to see a Man they had thought was dead, alive and well. Still, it does seem a bit strange, doesn't it?
With that thought in mind, when Jesus was resurrected, He had a body. Is it eternal? That is debatable. if I had to answer, however, I'd have to guess that it isn't the same body He had while He was here. What did John see, in Revelation?
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
Doesn't sound like any human body I ever saw. You?

If you answered yes to each of these questions... Then the only conclusion which can be drawn is that you worship the One True God which has a body of Flesh and Bones!

I didn't answer yes, though. Now what?

Now you may try to chant the magical incantation "The Trinity!" thinking that it will magically make all your paradoxes and contradictions vanish.
However, I'm here to tell you that the king in that body has no clothe

He is clothed in gold...

Yes, I get that. That's why I'm not going to pretend to answer you as though you were someone sincere in your queries. Just as long as you don't also feign to be insulted by my replys.

I'm afraid I'm the one who has insulted you. Once again, I am sorry. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings. I honestly thought the guy who told me that had to be misinformed. I was looking for confirmation.

Again....I find it funny that you find it reasonable when an Atheist tells you "I don't know" however, post after post by Mormons on this thread have consistently replied to a lot of your questions with a "we don't know" and yet we are somehow being unreasonable????

The difference is that many of them will at least consider that they may be mistaken.
Do you think you could do that?
And before you ask, I have questioned my own faith, a few times. I have found that faith that can't be tested, can't be trusted.

I don't know why you would think that I want you to agree to that, when this is one of those questions which Mormons have answered you as "we don't know"? Despite that, you keep ignoring us and inserting your own strawman that this is what be believe.

So, are you telling me that you aren't sure if god were ever a man?

So you don't believe that God declared his word through the Urim and Thummim in the Bible???

No one seems to be very sure whether the urim and thummim were rocks, precious stones, or sticks, and from what I understand, they were thrown, not hidden in anyone's hat. Also, they don't seem to be mentioned very often, and sort of faded away after the institution of the monarchy.

Yes! I absolutely do have faith that I can do those things, and I do believe in the reality that says I can do those things.... And Yes, most Christians do believe that Jesus was fully man while on the earth.... I guess you'll just have to explain what you mean by "natural"?

Wake me when you actually walk on water yourself. Yes, Christ was, and is fully man, but He is also fully God. Thus, He is much more than a "natural man". He is the mediator between God and man.

That is why I said you are not interested in finding truth... Just in convincing people "YOU" are right. I for one would not want anyone to join the Mormon Church because "I" was able to convince them I was right.... That is not my job, that is why God sent the Holy Spirit.

Are you so sure that it was not the Holy Spirit that changed that JW? If I seemed to be taking credit for her awakening, I guess I'm not expressing myself very well. Say rather that I was privileged to be used of God to help her find the truth.
She was already rethinking her faith when I met her.

 

[katerinah1947]

I wasn't saying that the Bible didn't have the verses in question. My disagreement was with the interpretation offered. But that's a merry-go-round I don't much care to get on. It is beyond my personal purpose here to engage in interpretive disputes over Bible passages. I will discuss Bible interpretations when the objective is mutual understanding, or even unidirectional understanding, but that's about it.

Hi,
Ah! Okay. And unidirectioinally using your words, you do understand how I and others understand those passages. Correct or not?
If you say correct, then we still understand each other still.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

 

[TheBarrd]

OK. So your understanding of "man" is a major hurdle here. I suppose that your understanding of "woman" is the same. Meaning, there is nothing eternal about "woman." Is this harmonious with your belief?

I had assumed that by "man" we meant "mankind", which would include the ladies.
Now, I will ask and maybe you will answer...can a woman be exalted?
Why or why not?

I don't agree that the Bible says this, so it might just be best to move on from this point.

No, you don't. Not this time, pal. This one is important. I know, you think the Bible is not accurate, etc...however, those verses that Katie outlines for you (saving me the trouble, and thank you, Katie), are in there. To us, they are accurate and mean exactly what they say. You don't have to agree, just acknowledge that you understand where we are coming from.
The same courtesy you are asking for, yes?

No objection here.

You do understand that I said He and He alone...as in nobody else, right? No other gods need apply...

OK... here is where your assumption must be clarified. We do not "suppose" that we might one day be as God is. God offers to make us as He is. Are we, therefore, wrong to accept His offer?

I did not notice such an offer when I read the BoM. Of course, it's been awhile ago, and maybe I missed it. Could you post the BoM reference for me, please?

That's because you believe that it's man's idea and not God's. But we assert that it is God's idea, not man's. How, then, can it be blasphemous? (to us)

Again, show me the reference from the BoM.

I understand. And it was not my intent to dismiss as unimportant that you have been/are able to maintain good relationships with people who strongly oppose your views.

Thank you.

LOL, true enough!

I have a tee shirt that my son gave to me that says "The Sarcasm is strong with this one" as if it were the Star Wars opening lines. I love it!

LOL, no, I don't imagine you can! (doh!... sarcasm!...I'm caught!)

uh huh...

LOL, no promises. You're just going to have to learn to master that keyboard-tongue of yours!

I promise I will try...

I would like to think that I am.

Me, too

God bless.

Back atcha, my friend...

 

[Theway]

Originally Posted by TheBarrd View Post
Sometimes LDS might use the name to refer to the planet, which orbits the star named Kolob by the same name, so calling that planet Kolob is not incorrect. Or so they told me.




Hi,
I will do the Kolob part, for TheBarrd, and she might also. 50 years. Interesting.

Kolob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from an Egyptian papyrus scroll by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as "stars",[2] and therefore, some Mormon commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] The idea also appears in Mormon culture, including a reference to Kolob in a Mormon hymn.[4]

LOVE,
...Katerina., .... .

I'm sorry, but that does not say that Kolob is a planet circling Kolob the star.

 

[katerinah1947]

I'm sorry, but that does not say that Kolob is a planet circling Kolob the star.

Hi,
Kolob can be a planet.
Kolob can be a star.
That is said, and it seems no one can prove any side, in your LDS tradition/history.

Whether or not it is both, is moot. Whether or not she was told that, does not depend upon what you know. It depends upon what she was told, however if you know what every missionary knows and what every missionary says when talking to Christians, then your tacit statement that she if ridiculously wrong, or making things up is quite valid. And if valid, in the Christian world, you would have the name God to us, as He is the only one, who might know everything everyone says. It is possible she misunderstood. I don't know, however is this really an important point whether someone or she even thinks Kolob is a planet revolving around a sun also called Kolob? For, is not the central point of Kolob, to you the place closest to where God exists?

And oh by the way TFT, has not anwered either TheBarrd or I. Do you both, or even just you, know how we interpret our scriptures on the many statements of One God?

LOVE,
...Katie., .... .

 

[TasteForTruth]

I had assumed that by "man" we meant "mankind", which would include the ladies.
Now, I will ask and maybe you will answer...can a woman be exalted?
Why or why not?

A man cannot be exalted without his wife, nor a woman without her husband.

Now... on what you believe...
Do you believe that everyone who has ever been born on the earth will be resurrected? Or just some?

No, you don't. Not this time, pal. This one is important. I know, you think the Bible is not accurate, etc.

When did I say that!? That alone opens up a can of worms, but we'll have to tackle that elsewhere. Just be aware that I find no fault whatever with the Bible.

however, those verses that Katie outlines for you (saving me the trouble, and thank you, Katie), are in there. To us, they are accurate and mean exactly what they say. You don't have to agree, just acknowledge that you understand where we are coming from.
The same courtesy you are asking for, yes?

I do understand where you're coming from, and I have not dismissed the verses. I, like you, believe they mean exactly what they say! But I don't believe they say what you believe they do. I do not believe they speak of anything outside of that which pertains to the Father and His children.

You do understand that I said He and He alone...as in nobody else, right? No other gods need apply...

Right. I know what you said. And I agree with it.

I did not notice such an offer when I read the BoM. Of course, it's been awhile ago, and maybe I missed it. Could you post the BoM reference for me, please?

Again, show me the reference from the BoM.

The doctrine is found in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants (a compilation of latter-day revelations and other doctrine which are part of the LDS scriptural canon) and the Pearl of Great Price (a compilation containing latter-day revelations/translations, an excerpt of the Church's history and the Church's "Articles of Faith"). It most overtly described in the Doctrine and Covenants. Rather than posting a list of qualifying scriptures, if you took time to read this article, it draws from the most prominent ones. (I try not to send people off to read articles, but that one is so well put together and addresses so directly so many of the issues we're talking about... it's worth it, I think).

Keep in mind, that its appearance in all our standard works primarily stems from the fact that we equate "eternal life" with "exaltation." So references to "eternal life" are references to the greatest gift God has ever offered us—to become like Him.

I have a tee shirt that my son gave to me that says "The Sarcasm is strong with this one" as if it were the Star Wars opening lines. I love it!

Ha! That's great!

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,
Ah! Okay. And unidirectioinally using your words, you do understand how I and others understand those passages. Correct or not?
If you say correct, then we still understand each other still.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

Yes, I think I understand how you interpret those verses.

 

[katerinah1947]

Yes, I think I understand how you interpret those verses.

Hi,
So I think? is that a yes or a maybe? From your neck of the woods, it could be either, as in one set of trades that would be a solid though esoteric yes. In another trade, it would mean, not on you life, but I am hoping you don't know that. As I could take that either way, and you are pleasant, do you mean, that yes you know how i and other Christians like me, understand those verses?
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

 

[TasteForTruth]

Hi,
So I think? is that a yes or a maybe? From your neck of the woods, it could be either, as in one set of trades that would be a solid though esoteric yes. In another trade, it would mean, not on you life, but I am hoping you don't know that. As I could take that either way, and you are pleasant, do you mean, that yes you know how i and other Christians like me, understand those verses?
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

Nicene Christians have indicated before that the verses in the Bible that speak of "no other gods" and such, indicate that there are no other gods than the Trinitarian God, period. Never have been, never will be. Is that how you understand the verses?

 

[Rescued One]

Calling for resources here. Anyone who believes that Kolob has been referred to as a planet in LDS doctrine, please post the source. I'm curious, more than anything. Frankly, people can call Kolob a planet all they like. It just usually is an indicator of the person's familiarity with LDS doctrine (and, very often, suggests something about their sources of information...).

The only source that I can access at this time is my copy of Mormon Doctrine.

Kolob means "the first creation." It is the name of the planet "nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God." It is "first in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. . . . One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth." (Book of Abraham, pp. 34-35; Abra. 3:3-9.)
Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.428

 

[Theway]

A "man" is a mortal being, whose life began when his parents conceived him, and whose mortal life will end at his death. God breathed His spirit (small s) into him, as into his sisters, at his conception, and not before. That spirit, which is the essence of who he is as a man will live after him, but it did not exist before him. In other words, "man" is wholly and irreconcilably incompatible with "eternal".

Then how do you reconcile Adam and Eve into you beliefs?
When God created the "man" Adam in the Garden of Eden, was he not immortal?


(There is a distinction between an immortal life, and an Eternal life, but that's not germane to my question right now)

 

[Theway]

Hi,
Kolob can be a planet.
Kolob can be a star.
That is said, and it seems no one can prove any side, in your LDS tradition/history.

Thats simply because back then the words planets and stars were more or less interchangable. It's only in recent times have we make such distinctions relevant. However that being said, the verse never says Kolob is two stellar bodies, nor does it say anybody lives or has lived on it.

And oh by the way TFT, has not anwered either TheBarrd or I. Do you both, or even just you, know how we interpret our scriptures on the many statements of One God?

LOVE,
...Katie., ....

I will gladly answer... But first, so we better understand each other.... What makes God, God?

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

if part of being exalted to godhood is being married in the temple the first exalted man could not have happened before the first mormon temple was built, so who created the earth.