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Why does Mormonism want to be Associated with Christianity?

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Hi,
I am still a little bit shaking, with having to have said that to you. I will try and finish this now. I must believe, that what God has revealed to me over the years, is true about The Mormon Religion. You do not have to believe that, I do. No one here has to believe that I am what the Church has told me, I must believe, part of which is that God says, you are not Trinitarian, in any way shape or form.
The name you profess that is the same name the Christians use, is merely the same name, and in no way shape or form, God's Son, Jesus The Christ. I am also commaned to believe, no matter who you call the father, it is not Him. I am also commanded to believe that no matter who you call the holy spirit, it is not Him either.
I accept those commands, and never once have I seen the error, in Their Actions, and Words to me. Never once.
Sorry, that is my life.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .
Sure, neither you nor I have to believe one another. Nor am I concerned that the LDS religion is not seen as Trinitarian since it isn't Trinitarian and doesn't profess to be.

Earlier you asked me why I believe what I do. And so I told you. I didn't share that because I wanted you to believe something, but because your appeal sounded sincere.

At this point, I think our interaction on this topic has run its course, so I'll bow out.

Thank you again for expressing interest in something other than just controversy. That was a nice change.

Peace to you.
TFT
 
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Sure, neither you nor I have to believe one another. Nor am I concerned that the LDS religion is not seen as Trinitarian since it isn't Trinitarian and doesn't profess to be.

Earlier you asked me why I believe what I do. And so I told you. I didn't share that because I wanted you to believe something, but because your appeal sounded sincere.

At this point, I think our interaction on this topic has run its course, so I'll bow out.

Thank you again for expressing interest in something other than just controversy. That was a nice change.

Peace to you.
TFT

Hi,
Yes there was and is pleasure and niceness between us. You are gracious, and you are kind I think. I do, and did like talking to you.
I am impressed that I first, sort of told you my whole truth, and you told me yours. Then I was and am impressed that you added nothing nor took offense.
Good bye. I think I like you. (Not not romantically or in any other creepy way. I think I like you as a person.)
LOVE and love,
...Katherina., .... .
 
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In her own gentle way, Katy tells you the truth.

My own encounter with LDS was more recent. I was willing to talk to the boys who came to my door, mostly because of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's lovely rendering of Handel's Messiah.
We'd had three or four meetings, when I casually mentioned them to a friend. My friend looked serious...quite a feat for this happy man...and told me in a low voice that the Mormons believe that God was once a man who lived on a planet called Kolob. The god of that planet made him a god, because he had followed the rules. I laughed at him, thinking it was a gag...this guy was always joking around. I said "don't be silly. No sane person would believe anything that ridiculous." Those were my words. He never cracked a smile. He solemnly nodded his head and said "exactly. Those folks are not sane."
So the next time the boys came around I asked them about it. They gave me some hype about not being ready. It became obvious rather quickly that I had jumped ahead of their training. I told them that we could meet from now till the last trump, and I would never accept such blasphemy. Things sort of went downhill from there, with them finally informing me that the Bible that the church has used for so many centuries is not accurate.
Needless to say, we parted company.

And then, years later, I come here...and run into a whole nest of you...
And discover that the water is even deeper than I had thought.

Again, Katie tells you the truth. The god you worship is not the same god that Christians worship.
 
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Hi,
Yes there was and is pleasure and niceness between us. You are gracious, and you are kind I think. I do, and did like talking to you.
I am impressed that I first, sort of told you my whole truth, and you told me yours. Then I was and am impressed that you added nothing nor took offense.
Good bye. I think I like you. (Not not romantically or in any other creepy way. I think I like you as a person.)
LOVE and love,
...Katherina., .... .
LOL, you bet. Have a good week. :)
 
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In her own gentle way, Katy tells you the truth.

My own encounter with LDS was more recent. I was willing to talk to the boys who came to my door, mostly because of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's lovely rendering of Handel's Messiah.
We'd had three or four meetings, when I casually mentioned them to a friend. My friend looked serious...quite a feat for this happy man...and told me in a low voice that the Mormons believe that God was once a man who lived on a planet called Kolob. The god of that planet made him a god, because he had followed the rules. I laughed at him, thinking it was a gag...this guy was always joking around. I said "don't be silly. No sane person would believe anything that ridiculous." Those were my words. He never cracked a smile. He solemnly nodded his head and said "exactly. Those folks are not sane."
So the next time the boys came around I asked them about it. They gave me some hype about not being ready. It became obvious rather quickly that I had jumped ahead of their training. I told them that we could meet from now till the last trump, and I would never accept such blasphemy. Things sort of went downhill from there, with them finally informing me that the Bible that the church has used for so many centuries is not accurate.
Needless to say, we parted company.

And then, years later, I come here...and run into a whole nest of you...
And discover that the water is even deeper than I had thought.

Again, Katie tells you the truth. The god you worship is not the same god that Christians worship.
CF is not a proselytizing platform, so I choose not to get into the "I'm right, you're wrong" exchange. I'm just here to make sure the Restored Gospel is represented accurately, to the extent that I have any power to that end.
 
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In her own gentle way, Katy tells you the truth.

My own encounter with LDS was more recent. I was willing to talk to the boys who came to my door, mostly because of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's lovely rendering of Handel's Messiah.
We'd had three or four meetings, when I casually mentioned them to a friend. My friend looked serious...quite a feat for this happy man...and told me in a low voice that the Mormons believe that God was once a man who lived on a planet called Kolob. The god of that planet made him a god, because he had followed the rules. I laughed at him, thinking it was a gag...this guy was always joking around. I said "don't be silly. No sane person would believe anything that ridiculous." Those were my words. He never cracked a smile. He solemnly nodded his head and said "exactly. Those folks are not sane."
So the next time the boys came around I asked them about it. They gave me some hype about not being ready. It became obvious rather quickly that I had jumped ahead of their training. I told them that we could meet from now till the last trump, and I would never accept such blasphemy. Things sort of went downhill from there, with them finally informing me that the Bible that the church has used for so many centuries is not accurate.
Needless to say, we parted company.

And then, years later, I come here...and run into a whole nest of you...
And discover that the water is even deeper than I had thought.

Again, Katie tells you the truth. The god you worship is not the same god that Christians worship.
What your friend told you about what Mormons believe about Kolob and God is completely wrong... However, knowing that, what do you bet that that will not sway your opinion any, or that you and your friend will still be telling people this same nonsense of what Mormons "really" believe three years from now.....
Such is the nature of the Mormon Critic.
 
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What your friend told you about what Mormons believe about Kolob and God is completely wrong... However, knowing that, what do you bet that that will not sway your opinion any, or that you and your friend will still be telling people this same nonsense of what Mormons "really" believe three years from now.....
Such is the nature of the Mormon Critic.

I have gathered from some of what I've seen in these threads that my friend had his information a bet skewed, at least when it comes to Kolob.
I got involved in these threads in the first place because I seriously wanted to know more about the idea that god had once been a man. I was still not convinced that anyone really believed that.
Evidently, however, LDS actually do believe that god is an "exalted" man. That is, he was born like any other man, what difference does it make what his family's address was? The god of that place bestowed his godhood upon him.
Now, if there is something I still don't understand, I am listening. Perhaps your fellow LDS just haven't done a very good job of explaining this to me?
 
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Nothing.... That was the point of The Restoration.

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Only because you believe that you possess the Original gospel that was delivered to Adam and that non-Mormons don't have the gospel.

It now becomes my melancholy task to trace through the early Christian centuries the decline of the Christian religion. By this phrase I mean that a really unChristian religion was gradually substituted for the beautiful religion of Jesus Christ; that a universal apostasy from the Christian doctrine and the Christian Church took place. So tracing the decline of Christianity, I shall establish the truth of the first great message with which the modern prophet, Joseph Smith, came to the world; and shall also prove the fact, that a necessity existed for the establishment of such a work as he claims, under God, to have founded, and of which the several volumes of this work are the detailed history.
B. H. Roberts, History of the Church, Introduction, p. XLI in my paperback edition
https://byustudies.byu.edu/hc/hcpgs/hc.aspx

I have not given this review of the condition of the Church of Christ in the Apostolic age with the view of establishing the idea that the Church at that time was in a complete state of apostasy: nor have I dwelt upon the weaknesses and sins of the early saints for the purpose of holding them up for contempt. My only purpose has been to dispel, first of all, the extravagant ideas that obtain in many minds concerning the absolute sanctity of the early Christians; and secondly, and mainly, to show that there were elements and tendencies existing in the early Church, even in the days of the Apostles, that would, when unrestrained by Apostolic authority and power, lead to its entire over throw.
B. H. Roberts, History of the Church, Introduction, p. XLVII in my paperback edition
https://byustudies.byu.edu/hc/hcpgs/hc.aspx
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I have gathered from some of what I've seen in these threads that my friend had his information a bet skewed, at least when it comes to Kolob.
I got involved in these threads in the first place because I seriously wanted to know more about the idea that god had once been a man. I was still not convinced that anyone really believed that.
Evidently, however, LDS actually do believe that god is an "exalted" man. That is, he was born like any other man, what difference does it make what his family's address was? The god of that place bestowed his godhood upon him.
Now, if there is something I still don't understand, I am listening. Perhaps your fellow LDS just haven't done a very good job of explaining this to me?
On the contrary, we've done an excellent job of explaining it. Where you appear to be getting hung up is when you ask a question and we say "We don't know the answer to that." It seems to me that, at those times, you take the liberty of filling in the blanks with whatever idea pops into your head, apparently not willing to allow God to fill in the blanks on His own timetable. So the judgment you make afterward is really a conviction of your own imagination, with only tangential connection to LDS doctrine.
 
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On the contrary, we've done an excellent job of explaining it. Where you appear to be getting hung up is when you ask a question and we say "We don't know the answer to that." It seems to me that, at those times, you take the liberty of filling in the blanks with whatever idea pops into your head, apparently not willing to allow God to fill in the blanks on His own timetable. So the judgment you make afterward is really a conviction of your own imagination, with only tangential connection to LDS doctrine.

There are a lot of things I don't know, of course, and I don't expect you to know everything, either.
I had sincerely hoped that you would show me that the people saying that you guys believe that god was once a man were full of fertilizer, I truly did.
I'm seriously having trouble getting past that.
You seem to be a really nice guy, very patient, and very sweet natured. You seem fairly intelligent, and I can tell that you are getting very tired of fielding questions like mine.
I keep thinking "he can't have thought this through" and "well, he can't help it, it was fed to him with his pablum"...you know?
You are here, who knows for how long, staunchly defending your faith, but you don't seem to be bitter at all. It has to be frustrating for you.

Try to understand...some of the stuff I've been hearing for the first time, like the stone in Joe's hat, or the Egyptian hieroglyphics...well, there really is no nice way to say it...it just boggles my mind that anyone could believe such stuff. A stone in his hat? Really?
Not to mention the disappearing gold tablets, but I'd already heard that one.

When I was very young, my grandmother had this gorgeous garden, filled with all sorts of beautiful flowers. She told me that each blossom was the home of a little fairy, and that if I picked the flowers, the fairies would die. I believed her. I was a little girl, and completely fascinated with fairies. I would sit, as still as I could, hidden among the flowers, trying to catch a glimpse of the little fairies...and there were times I thought I'd seen one, from the corner of my eye...they were just too quick for me.
Do you understand? I was a little child, naïve and gullible, and I grew up believing in fairies.
And I never really got over it. To this day, I catch myself, watching the flowers in my own yard, hoping to catch a tiny glimpse of a fairy...and then I smile, when I realize what I'm doing.
As long as I live, I suppose, a part of me is always going to believe in my grandmother's fairies.

I think that is kind of what I'm seeing here. Except...well, the grown woman I am today knows that there probably aren't any fairies in those flowers...my goodness, even at 64 years old, I can't bring myself to say that there definitely are no such thing as fairies...I can't. I mean, how do we know that?
You were told this about god also at an impressionable age. The rational adult knows that the stone in the hat thing, for instance, couldn't be for real...but how do we know? There are some strange things in this ol' world.
Its like me with the fairies, I think.

Anyway, it's obvious that you are telling me what you believe to be the truth, as far as you think you know it.
And that's the best anyone can expect...
 
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Nothing.... That was the point of The Restoration.

So why did we need another testament of Jesus? Why would you convert Christians to mormonism if there are no changes in the restored Gospel? Why would you say there is oemthing more to do for salvation?
 
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So why did we need another testament of Jesus? Why would you convert Christians to mormonism if there are no changes in the restored Gospel? Why would you say there is oemthing more to do for salvation?

Because the Book of Mormon says this:

24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book[the Bible] proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.

25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.

26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.

28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13: 24-29

The LDS teaching is that we have a different gospel than the original one.
 
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Because the Book of Mormon says this:

24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.

25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.

26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.

28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13: 24-29

The LDS teaching is that we have a different gospel than the original one.

which is odd as one of the mormon posters was saying their is nothing different in the restored gospel. so were mormon temples in the original text, was the idea god was a man in the original text?
 
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So why did we need another testament of Jesus? Why would you convert Christians to mormonism if there are no changes in the restored Gospel? Why would you say there is oemthing more to do for salvation?
For the same reason you would say you need a book of Mark, Luke, or John.... After all, don't they all basically cover the same teachings of Christ, the same gospel, and the same time period as Matthew does?
 
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which is odd as one of the mormon posters was saying their is nothing different in the restored gospel. so were mormon temples in the original text, was the idea god was a man in the original text?

It was a trick answer. He knew what you meant but he decided to give the answer from a Mormon point of view. You asked how the restored gospel is different from the gospel. They believe that their church has the gospel and we don't. They don't have an original text. They are taking Joseph Smith's word as the word of God.
 
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It was a trick answer. He knew what you meant but he decided to give the answer from a Mormon point of view. You asked how the restored gospel is different from the gospel. They believe that their church has the gospel and we don't. They don't have an original text. They are taking Joseph Smith's word as the word of God.

I have noticed with mormons they have almost a language of teir own, where it can sound very biblical yet it always has a twist and when you ubtangle the words they actually mean quite different things and show a very anti scriptural view of things.
 
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Are you asking because you don't know what they are?

I am asking because I have been frequently accused here at CF by LDS members for misunderstanding and misrepresenting the Restored Gospel. Since you have stated that you are here to explain the Restored Gospel I would like to establish exactly what the differences are between it and the Gospel.

Thank you.
 
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