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They say that there is no God and no Savior for Israel apart from Jehovah, and that Jehovah will honor His covenant with Israel, respectively.

Did Jehovah forget his Father Elohim?

Deuteronomy 4:35
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

If Jehovah is speaking to Israel, why did He change gears and tell them to pray to His Father in Matthew 6:9?

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."
 
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Katerina,

I was never impressed with these verses:

Doctrine and Covenants 24
3 Magnify thine office; and after thou hast sowed thy fields and secured them, go speedily unto the church which is in Colesville, Fayette, and Manchester, and they shall support thee; and I will bless them both spiritually and temporally;

4 But if they receive thee not, I will send upon them a cursing instead of a blessing.

5 And thou shalt continue in calling upon God in my name, and writing the things which shall be given thee by the Comforter, and expounding all scriptures unto the church.

6 And it shall be given thee in the very moment what thou shalt speak and write, and they shall hear it, or I will send unto them a cursing instead of a blessing.

Hi,
I think, I understand why.
LOVE,
...Kate., .... .
 
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Can a burning bosom be wrong?

Hi,
Okay. Mystic hat on. Or should I say: "As a mystic, a Chrisitian mystic, I learned this one day, about a burning in the bosom"
I had wondered about that feeling. One day it came. It came in answer to a certain religion, and no, the religion I was asking about was not LDS. It was some other one.
The burning, a very clear and astute one came. I want to tell you something about my form of mysticism. One it is verified. Even Psychologists tell me, I am for real. Another tells me, my form of mysticism defies human words. There are none for it.
However, this is one characteristic, of my form of whatever you wish to call it. "All that is out there, both good and bad, in the spirit world, have access to me, auditorily, and visually, and in feelings." To counter the bad, took much work. It also takes work, and sometimes God bails me out. I will now talk of one of those moments.
When I was still researching God and The Bible, and every religion I had access to, I asked one day of a certain religion was true. (Again. This was not the LDS. I the question was not about them.) A very strong burning in my bosom happened.
According to following that, then that religion was true. Please stay with me....
It took years and years, for me to do a piece of research. Yes, in those days I was good enough at that, to not only be left alone, and have my own schedule as there are no scedules in pure research, but within a year or two I had solved 80% of all the unsolved problemsfor the Production Facility I was working at. Those problems were years old they told me. If I remember right, with my poor memory of things like that, some of those problems went unsolved for two and a half years. I then left out of boredom, as there was nothing more for me there. I went to someplace else, and did the same things for them.
All researchers research even in their personal lives. I knew nothing about God, as I needed proof. I found out no one has proof. I found out that it is said, that no one can prove God exists, and no one can prove God doesn't exist. I would find out later, they are wrong. (God can prove God exists to anyone, even a scientific researcher.)
I was working on the Bible, research wise for others. In 10 to 12 years or so, I was done. The summary, not the conclusion per se, the summary of the work came out to this, and by proofs. "The Bible is Real. It is True where it says It is True and it is False where It says It is False, like in Job's two friends who God said did not speak of Him correctly. The third friend did."
My conclusion was, since the Bible is Real, by that summary above, and it speaks about God, then God is Real.
The problem for the burning in my bosom, is the religion I used that on, was widely and puposely variant, from the Bible I now knew so weill. That is my summary of that finding.
My conclusion is, the burning in the bosom, is quite real as described, at least in my experience. I have experienced that feeling, and since that particular religion who says they use the corrected Bible as their sole source of activiites, in no way possible is actually using any correct version of the Bible, then they are false, and the burning in the bosom for me, therefore pointed me to a very very very false answer, therefore for me, I can count on that burning of the bosom, for me, to be a lie.
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .
 
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Yes, Katie, that is exactly what they teach...and have always taught. God was a man, like any other man. He was born, like any other mortal child, on a planet called Kolob...or is it a planet circling a star called Kolob? He fulfilled the requirements of the god of that planet, who then "exalted" him to godhood and either gave him our planet to rule, or he created our planet. There are, as we speak, men who believe that, if they also meet the requirements, god will "exalt" them, also, to be gods of their own worlds.
Yes, this is what they teach, and what they expect to happen to them.

Your sister in the love of Christ,
TheBarrd

Kolob is simply the star God used to mark time during the Creation.

So many critics goof on what Kolob actually represents that you can actually use how they portray it as a barometer of how much independent research they've actually done.
 
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Hi,
I did not know you knew that was there. I am impressed now yet again by you. You actually know what those words were, strong, true, and you said even pitiful.
That shows a deep understanding. I am pleased with you on this. Being not God, I need to preface this next part.
I have not read, where and how you might have been, or have definitely been slighted, or insulted, or demeaned. It is a lack of capacity in me. I cannot remember in this post everything that is said. I just have my little corner of the world so to speak, that I know of.
Yet, is it not possible the others are using strong, true words on some people here. If I was a scribe or a Pharasee in those days, and maybe I was one long enough to believe in my ways, forgetting when and where I accepted those ways, I would be terribly uspet at being called a hypocrite, let alone a brood of vipers.
I am asking, not telling. Can you see how others here, and even you may think of them that they are hypocrites and a brood of vipers to you? Can it not be the central isssue here, is beieving rather in those who taught you, than in the objective?????
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .

Katie,
You show a great deal of wisdom here in what you have said. A great deal of wisdom.
Yes, being called hypocrites, or vipers, would seem very cruel to the people who were on the receiving end of those words.
I can see Him in my mind, rage imprinted on every line of His beautiful face, His deep, kind eyes burning, as He pointed at these people and told them what was strong and true. And how did they react?
TasteForTruth is, I think, a good man, full of love. I think he is very sincere in his belief. But you know that God was never a man. Men...life itself...did not exist before God created it.
I would not be serving my Lord and my God if I did not tell this good man that he is wrong about his belief, would I? He may think it is cruel, but the idea that God was once a man, and that men may be gods like unto Him is not a Christian idea. It is blasphemy, pure and simple. So many things about his belief contradict the gospel of Christ, it is hard to know where to begin.
With all the goodwill and all the love I am capable of...or should I say, as you do, LOVE...I cannot but tell him and the rest of them the truth.

Your sister in the LOVE of the Lord,
TheBarrd
 
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As I explained to one of your fellows, Ran, I've been a Mom for 45 years, with seven kids, seventeen grandkids, and three great grandkids and counting. Calling people things like "Hun" or "Sweetie" has become a habit with me.
I'm very sorry if I offended you.
However, I do not apologize for anything else I may have said.
I find you arrogant, at the very least, opinionated to the extreme, and, yes, closed minded.
With all the goodwill I can muster, I do understand that you are trying your very best to defend your faith, which has come under a great deal of criticism through the years, and I do feel very sorry for you, but that's bound to happen when you are trying to defend an untenable position.

Not to worry, Ran (notice, I did NOT say "Hun" or "Sweetie"), I will not be speaking with you again.
May God, whatever you think Him to be, bless you in your endeavors.

Oh, and thank TfT for me, for asking you to leave me alone. I appreciate his kindness...

*as fellow-Christians, we should see each other as "family"...also this is not a work environment, it is supposed to be a place where Christians gather to discuss their faith. That you see me using "pet" names for people speaks volumes about your pride.

At my age I am pleased and flattered when younger women (usually waitresses) call me terms of endearment. Actually, I enjoy it when any woman of any age calls me Hon or Sweetie. So, feel free to address me in that way, Lovie.
 
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^^ And this is considered "Restored" Christianity ???

Next thing they'll say the Noah built his ark in or near Carolina.

OOPS they did!!!

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Was the Garden of Eden in Missouri?

Wow! I learn something new every day.
 
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Yes, I am aware of the verses you cited. They were not unkind words. They were strong words. True words. Even pitiful words.

God is kind, not unkind. With perfection. That's my view, anyway.

If someone called me things like that I would be really offended. Thus, it comes as no surprise that they were offended to the point that they wanted to kill Him.
 
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If someone called me things like that I would be really offended. Thus, it comes as no surprise that they were offended to the point that they wanted to kill Him.
We're not talking about "someone." They were the Savior's words. But if the Savior feels obliged to speak to someone like that, then there's a very good chance that the person's heart is so hard, it would take a herculean effort on the person's part to not be offended, seeing as his heart must be as hard as those of the Pharisees!
 
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Apparently you have a different Bible than we do. In the gospels Jesus said some mighty nasty things to the Pharisees and the Saducees, as well and the priests and the lawyers.
The Savior I know does not say "nasty" things to people. He does not say "unkind" things to people. He speaks the truth and the wicked take it to be hard (nasty, unkind, etc.).
 
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Kolob is simply the star God used to mark time during the Creation.

So many critics goof on what Kolob actually represents that you can actually use how they portray it as a barometer of how much independent research they've actually done.

The two missionaries who came to my house told me about Kolob. Should I not have taken their word for it that they knew the faith they had come to teach me?

Before they came, all I really knew about the LDS was that the Mormon Tabernacle Boys Choir had done a magnificent rendition of Handel's Messiah. When I told a friend that they had started coming round, he warned me of the "God is a man" thing. The boys were very reluctant to discuss it, but upon being told that I could always go to the internet, they decided to open up.
And they told me about God having been born on Kolob, a planet circling the star of the same name.
The confusion about how God came here to our earth came from your fellows here in the forum, who are pretty vague about the details.

But none of that is really important. It is the notion that God was ever a man, and that men may become Gods themselves that concerns me.
Of course, the rest of Christendom is going to criticize you for this.
Some will even mock you, since the idea is so...well, sorry...so ridiculous.

Sorry.
 
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We're not talking about "someone." They were the Savior's words. But if the Savior feels obliged to speak to someone like that, then there's a very good chance that the person's heart is so hard, it would take a herculean effort on the person's part to not be offended, seeing as his heart must be as hard as those of the Pharisees!

Of course, you realize that the people Jesus was speaking to did not recognize Him as the Savior.
They were...uh...pretty closed minded about it...

In fact, to this day, the Jews are still looking for a...dare I tell you?...a human Messiah...

Imagine that!!
 
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Hi,
I did not know you knew that was there. I am impressed now yet again by you. You actually know what those words were, strong, true, and you said even pitiful.
That shows a deep understanding. I am pleased with you on this. Being not God, I need to preface this next part.
I have not read, where and how you might have been, or have definitely been slighted, or insulted, or demeaned. It is a lack of capacity in me. I cannot remember in this post everything that is said. I just have my little corner of the world so to speak, that I know of.
Yet, is it not possible the others are using strong, true words on some people here. If I was a scribe or a Pharasee in those days, and maybe I was one long enough to believe in my ways, forgetting when and where I accepted those ways, I would be terribly uspet at being called a hypocrite, let alone a brood of vipers.
I am asking, not telling. Can you see how others here, and even you may think of them that they are hypocrites and a brood of vipers to you? Can it not be the central isssue here, is beieving rather in those who taught you, than in the objective?????
LOVE,
...Katherina., .... .
Yes, I hear what you are saying. Hypothetically speaking, it is possible—because I am human—that strong, true words may be spoken to me here in the forum that I misunderstand to be unkind or mean. But while I am human, I am also not a fool, and know when a person is mocking or saying words only with the intent to incite or inflame or injure. Don't worry, though. My spirit has not been mortally wounded here. I simply lament, on occasion, that Christians treat other Christians as enemies.
 
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Of course, you realize that the people Jesus was speaking to did not recognize Him as the Savior.
They were...uh...pretty closed minded about it...

In fact, to this day, the Jews are still looking for a...dare I tell you?...a human Messiah...

Imagine that!!
They were more than closed-minded. They were murderous and diabolical in their hearts. They hated Jesus for His truth—the simplicity and utter unimpeachable nature of it. Their hearts were firmly set on themselves. A person so disposed will discern the light...and hate it.
 
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