Is Islam in need of a moral reformation?

[ObamaChristian]

According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, at least 70% of all the fatalities in armed conflicts around the world last year were in wars involving Muslims. In 2013, there were nearly 12,000 terrorist attacks world-wide. The lion’s share were in Muslim-majority countries, and many of the others were carried out by Muslims. By far the most numerous victims of Muslim violence—including executions and lynchings not captured in these statistics—are Muslims themselves.

Why Islam Needs a Reformation - WSJ

 

[Cearbhall]

Some people's version of Islam, yes. I feel the same way about certain types of Christianity.

 

[Dave-W]

Islam is an antichrist religion and as such needs to just disappear altogther.

 

[Cearbhall]

Islam is an antichrist religion and as such needs to just disappear altogther.

How anti-Semitic of you.

And no, they revere Jesus.

 

[Strathos]

They need to cut back on the fundamentalism, especially the Wahhabist movement, which is responsible for most of the violent terrorism of this and last century.

 

[Paradoxum]

How anti-Semitic of you.

And no, they revere Jesus.

How is that anti-Semitic?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Islam is an antichrist religion and as such needs to just disappear altogther.

An unbiased look would make you realize that all the Abrahamic religions should be included.

 

[ObamaChristian]

An unbiased look would make you realize that all the Abrahamic religions should be included.

How so?

 

[Autumnleaf]

No. Islam has been around much longer than sexular humanism. Hence, its fine the way it is from an evolutionary meme standpoint.

 

[Cearbhall]

How is that anti-Semitic?

The bolded part. Islam is no more "antichrist" than Judaism. In fact, Judaism views him as a harmful false Messiah, while Islam says he was an important prophet. Islam even supports the virgin birth and says that Jesus was the only prophet who could perform miracles.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

How so?

I don't see any difference the morality of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism.

 

[Paradoxum]

No. Islam has been around much longer than sexular humanism. Hence, its fine the way it is from an evolutionary meme standpoint.

So you only decide things based on how long something has existed? You don't care about morality?

The bolded part. Islam is no more "antichrist" than Judaism. In fact, Judaism views him as a harmful false Messiah, while Islam says he was an important prophet. Islam even supports the virgin birth and says that Jesus was the only prophet who could perform miracles.

I don't see how the bold bit is anti-Semitic. I think the world would be better if Islam disappear, but I'd say that about Christianity and Judaism too.

But I can see how saying 'Islam is anti-christ', but not Judaism, is prejudice.

 

[Rationalt]

Jews are far less in number and were thoroughly subjugated throughout history.So, What they think doesn't matter much.

In the case of Islam it has grown huge through out history and warred to successfully impose Islam on other people. It is also explicitly hostile to christianity. The quran explicitly recommends Muslims to subjugate christians, jews and all others until they accept Islam as their religion.

So, Islam is anti everything that doesn't agree with their books and did successfully impose their writ on other people. Yes, Islam remains a threat to people.

The bolded part. Islam is no more "antichrist" than Judaism. In fact, Judaism views him as a harmful false Messiah, while Islam says he was an important prophet. Islam even supports the virgin birth and says that Jesus was the only prophet who could perform miracles.

 

[True Scotsman]

According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, at least 70% of all the fatalities in armed conflicts around the world last year were in wars involving Muslims. In 2013, there were nearly 12,000 terrorist attacks world-wide. The lion’s share were in Muslim-majority countries, and many of the others were carried out by Muslims. By far the most numerous victims of Muslim violence—including executions and lynchings not captured in these statistics—are Muslims themselves.

Why Islam Needs a Reformation - WSJ

There's no salvaging something that is evil in principle. It should be abandoned completely.

 

[Cearbhall]

The quran explicitly recommends Muslims to subjugate christians, jews and all others until they accept Islam as their religion.

The Bible says to stone adulterers, but I'm not worried about the sanity of every Christian I meet.

 

[Interplanner]

Cearbhall,
there are many more features to what the NT says, and it does not say to end their lives.
1, adultery is still the same sin it always was. They are told in the NT to stop it.
2, there are changes in the administration of things when you get to the NT. It has more of message for those outside, but it also indicates changes in how to address things in the community of those who believe. The main passage you should work with is 1 Cor 5-7.
2A: The NT is not trying to tell the public family court what to do. This is part of the end of the theocracy of Israel. It does tell individuals in the public system to live righteous lives, Acts 26.
2B: The NT does not do capital punishment within its own community, but it does ask people who don't repent of what they have been openly confronted with to leave. This is in the Cor passage but also Mt 18. "Treat them as you would a tax-collector or a gentile" is perhaps the most surprising twist of all the things Jesus said, since he was found trying to reach those people. But there is a limit, just as there is a limit (actually an allowance) about remarriage. Remarriage is generally adultery; but it is not if the person remarrying was cheated. And even with that, the disciples said 'its probably better not to marry at all.' They puzzle me; Jesus does not.
2C: The NT shows divine judgement is sought. Paul sought it about the immoral person in Corinth and in Acts 5 Peter curses a couple who made an appearance of giving up substantial wealth to the church and they died.

 

[Rationalt]

The Bible says to stone adulterers, but I'm not worried about the sanity of every Christian I meet.

I am afraid of a christian with a stone .

 

[Rationalt]

The Nt pretty much says nothing as far as punishments in the here are concerned.

Cearbhall,
there are many more features to what the NT says, and it does not say to end their lives.
1, adultery is still the same sin it always was. They are told in the NT to stop it.
2, there are changes in the administration of things when you get to the NT. It has more of message for those outside, but it also indicates changes in how to address things in the community of those who believe. The main passage you should work with is 1 Cor 5-7.
2A: The NT is not trying to tell the public family court what to do. This is part of the end of the theocracy of Israel. It does tell individuals in the public system to live righteous lives, Acts 26.
2B: The NT does not do capital punishment within its own community, but it does ask people who don't repent of what they have been openly confronted with to leave. This is in the Cor passage but also Mt 18. "Treat them as you would a tax-collector or a gentile" is perhaps the most surprising twist of all the things Jesus said, since he was found trying to reach those people. But there is a limit, just as there is a limit (actually an allowance) about remarriage. Remarriage is generally adultery; but it is not if the person remarrying was cheated. And even with that, the disciples said 'its probably better not to marry at all.' They puzzle me; Jesus does not.
2C: The NT shows divine judgement is sought. Paul sought it about the immoral person in Corinth and in Acts 5 Peter curses a couple who made an appearance of giving up substantial wealth to the church and they died.

 

[Cearbhall]

Cearbhall,
there are many more features to what the NT says, and it does not say to end their lives.

I was speaking of the OT. If you can denounce the OT while leaving it in your holy book, why won't you accept that many Muslims denounce certain parts of their holy book? If you're going to give members of your own religion the benefit of the doubt, you should do the same for other groups.

 

[Rationalt]

why won't you accept that many Muslims denounce certain parts of their holy book? .

I can say with certainty that no muslim ever condemns quran.Period.

In the unlikely event if any body finds such a practicing Muslim I would be open to revise my statement that May be there are 0.00001 % muslims who do that.