Two types of righteousness...

[Soyeong]

In Gal, Phil, and Col were they already saved? Yes, but the law people were trying to get them to be SANCTIFIED by law, to now live by law after imputation. Sanctification, via the flesh does not work see Gal 3:3, just as law justification does not work.

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

We are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, which leads to righteousness and sanctification. There is no sanctification apart from obedience to God's instructions.

 

[Frogster]

Indeed, "good works" are found in God's instructions for how to live righteously while "works of the law" are are man-made instructions for how they thought God's instructions were supposed to be followed.

Incorrect, "works of law" in Romans 3:20, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:6, about works, and Gal 2:16 where Psalm 143 is quoted have nothing to do with man made instructions. please prove this statement, thanks, frog.

$100.....?????????????

 

[Frogster]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

We are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, which leads to righteousness and sanctification. There is no sanctification apart from obedience to God's instructions.

but Paul just got done saying under instructions sin will have dominion?

can an obedient man to the instructions still sin internally?

you can;t get around it, the sin law dynamic is clear in rom 6.

 

[Soyeong]

but Paul just got done saying under instructions sin will have dominion?

can an obedient man to the instructions still sin internally?

you can;t get around it, the sin law dynamic is clear in rom 6.

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

As I said before, Christ paid the penalty of the law, so that is the aspect of the law that we not under, not the the instructions of the law. Paul summarizes what he said in the preceding chapters in 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. We are not under the condemnation of the law, so sin has no dominion over us. If we were free from the instructions of the law, then we would be free to sin, but Paul clearly said that we weren't. But please do continue to ignore everything verses 15-19 say about sin, righteousness, and sanctification.

 

[Frogster]

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

As I said before, Christ paid the penalty of the law, so that is the aspect of the law that we not under, not the the instructions of the law. Paul summarizes what he said in the preceding chapters in 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. We are not under the condemnation of the law, so sin has no dominion over us. If we were free from the instructions of the law, then we would be free to sin, but Paul clearly said that we weren't. But please do continue to ignore everything verses 15-19 say about sin, righteousness, and sanctification.

but Romans 6 was not judicial, it was about a living principle, it was talking about being enslaved to sin, passions, etc, not legalities, and they would be under sin's dominion, by principle, if they got under law.

One can be free from the penalty, but live under a law dynamic principle.

 

[Soyeong]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Maybe if you read it enough times, what he says about righteousness and sanctification will sink in.

 

[Frogster]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Maybe if you read it enough times, what he says about righteousness and sanctification will sink in.

nope..no change, and you avoid the simple truth, sin will have dominion under law, that was written to saved people, and that's that.

where is my $100?

I charge interest if not paid soon!

 

[Frogster]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Maybe if you read it enough times, what he says about righteousness and sanctification will sink in.

what is the righteousness, law or faith?

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

 

[Steeno7]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,[c] you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

We are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, which leads to righteousness and sanctification. There is no sanctification apart from obedience to God's instructions.

What "instructions"?

 

[Steeno7]

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

As I said before, Christ paid the penalty of the law, so that is the aspect of the law that we not under, not the the instructions of the law. Paul summarizes what he said in the preceding chapters in 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. We are not under the condemnation of the law, so sin has no dominion over us. If we were free from the instructions of the law, then we would be free to sin, but Paul clearly said that we weren't. But please do continue to ignore everything verses 15-19 say about sin, righteousness, and sanctification.

A law without a penalty attached is merely a suggestion. My Bible doesn't say walk in the "instructions of the Law" and then you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. It says, "walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh" Gal. 5:16.

Christ has not left us "instructions", He has left us Himself, and as many as are led by His Spirit, they are not under the Law. Gal 5:18

 

[Steeno7]

Romans 6:15-19 What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace?

Why would you even go there unless you think that being under grace is going to result in sin? Paul is speaking directly to you, rebuking you, correcting you, for even thinking such a thing.

 

[listed]

Why would you even go there unless you think that being under grace is going to result in sin? Paul is speaking directly to you, rebuking you, correcting you, for even thinking such a thing.

I do not think he realizes the law does not and never will stop sin.

 

[Frogster]

I do not think he realizes the law does not and never will stop sin.

it arouses sin Rom 7:5, oh that people would just memorize my siggy!

 

[Soyeong]

what is the righteousness, law or faith?

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

It's righteousness that comes by faithful obedience to the law.

 

[Soyeong]

What "instructions"?

The word for "law" is better translated as "instructions".

 

[Steeno7]

It's righteousness that comes by faithful obedience to the law.

You couldn't possibly be more wrong...


Romans 3:21 "But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify."

Romans 4:13 "It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”"

Philippians 3:9 "and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith."

 

[Steeno7]

The word for "law" is better translated as "instructions".

No. The word for "Law" is better translated as "curse".


Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”"

 

[Soyeong]

Why would you even go there unless you think that being under grace is going to result in sin? Paul is speaking directly to you, rebuking you, correcting you, for even thinking such a thing.

I said:

"We are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, which leads to righteousness and sanctification. There is no sanctification apart from obedience to God's instructions."

If you look at Paul knew what sin was because of the law (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7, 1 John 3:4), then he is rebuking those who say we can disregard the law.

 

[Soyeong]

I do not think he realizes the law does not and never will stop sin.

Why wouldn't I realize that?

 

[Soyeong]

it arouses sin Rom 7:5, oh that people would just memorize my siggy!

You should be more concerned with understanding your siggy than memorizing it.