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Cannabis is not a sin?

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I'll admit it. I use cannabis and I'm proud of it. I've only ever had positive experiences with cannabis and I'm sick of the morman's telling me I'm a bad person because. I will cover three topics here. Morality, Political Science, and Medical Science. I will prove to you that cannabis is not a dangerous drug, it is a gift from god.

Why don't we jump right into the morality of it. First off I consider myself a christian but I do not believe in organized religion. I see the bible as entertainment only. The bible is a great story. To say we know what a sin is is to say we are god. No one is god and everyone is imperfect. When it boils down to it, you can only try your best. It's all your individual opinion. I have a personal relationship with god outside of the church. I do what I feel is morally right. Cannabis I see as gods creation. It really is a shame that cannabis gets such a bad rap. I thought god could not make any mistakes?

Let me talk about where I came from. I was a kid in the golden age of the pharmaceutical industry. I like to think people now are starting to gravitate towards holistic options. Back in the late 90's early 2000's though no one knew any better and that is why I do not blame my parents. If anything I have come out of this with a better understanding of life. Every kid around had to be on some form of medication. If you were overly hyper you needed to go on adderall which was basically the legal form of cocaine. If you have a sad day that must mean your depressed here, put your child on antidepressants. It was always how can I take the easy way out? Instead of working things out with the wonderful minds given to us, it was better to trip out.

I was diagnosed with ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder) they called it. It meant I had concentration issues. That I had trouble focusing. To be honest what 11 year old doesn't have concentration issues. How bout instead of sitting kids down in a chair 6 hours a day do something that is stimulating and exciting. My elementary school suggested to my parents I should go on a stimulant. My primary care doctor hooked me up with a dealer, because thats what these physiatric doctors were, dealers. She hooked me up with one and the man put me on adderall at 11 years old. Let me tell ya, the hallucinations I had one week into it, the random crying. It was a nightmare. I was quickly taken off adderall and then put on Concerta. That didn't work. You see, I was the guinea pig that had no say in any of this. After the horrible experience I had with stimulents my parents decided to the experimenting with medication for awhile. Let me tell you my school was furious. We had to hire a lawyer to defend our the rights to not put your child on medication.

Don't know what it was, could of been a permanent side effect of the stimulants but I had horrible anxiety after getting off of the drugs. I couldn't talk to people in public, I couldn't function. Basically I was scared of of my mind. We went back to the dealer for a new form of medications called SSRI's (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) more commonly referred to as antidepressants. You know the groups of drugs that turn your average teen into a columbine school shooter. It blew me away that if you looked at every school shooting, every shooter was on some form of antidepressant. Now wait a minute here I thought these drugs were solving the problems of depression? Kind of ironic that one of the side effects is a feeling of committing suicide. The way these drugs work and the way they made me feel was they take all sense of reality away from you. All sense of consequence is lost. If you feel like you wanna kill someone you had the balls to do it. Luckily I wasn't on too high of a dose but that feeling came close at times. That's why I was kept in a special ed room an hour a day sometimes more. That's why I had to have an aid follow me around everywhere. Apparently I didn't show signs of normal behavior.

Flash forward 5 or 6 years later, still on antidepressants. I believe I jumped around from Lexapro to Celexa. Right before I turned 18 I took myself off of it. When you turn 18 your parents can't force you to use any medication so I think I timed it correctly. The withdrawals man they were horrible. My anger was out of control. I think I smashed a few windows. It took almost a year to ween off.

Now today I am completely drug free. Of coarse I don't consider cannabis to be an artificial drug I see it as a plant. I have so much clarity not being on any medication. It's been 10 years since I felt this way. Now, why do I use cannabis today. To help with my anxiety. With anything in life I believe you can abuse it. If you just smoke cannabis over and over again to get as high as possible you won't learn anything from it. If you use it as an escape from your problems, you won't learn anything from it. If you use it to push yourself into new situations, to see a different perspective, to bond with others, that is where cannabis serves it's purpose recreationally. I don't see a problem with using cannabis to learn new things about yourself. Bottom line I am in control when I am high. Unlike all the other illegal drugs where they take over your mind and you become addicted cannabis works with the mind stimulating it. It was once thought that cannabis kills brain cells. We now know cannabis stimulates them. We actually have CBD receptors in our brain that bond to the CBD in cannabis. Both the cannabis plant and our bodies produce similar cannabinoids.

Fact is no one has ever died from cannabis. Fact is alcohol and cigarettes have killed more people than all the illegal drugs combined ever have. The war on drugs is hogwash. Instead of locking someone up for 50 years for smoking pot shouldn't it be your individual right to do what you want with your life as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. Why is our government playing god?

Cannabis works better than a lot of the pharmaceutical drugs being prescribed. For instance cannabis is used by the epileptic to control their seizures. Its used by soldiers coming home from war to control their depression. Cancer patients use it to take the pain away after chemo and radiation and to give them their appetite back. Concentrated cannabis oil can cure cancer. It's used by people that are bipolar to control their emotions.

Industrial hemp is illegal too. It is a serious threat to oil industry, lumber industry, synthetic fiber industry, and plastic industry. Hemp can be made into paper, rope, clothes, cosmetics, fuel for cars, feed for cattle that is three times more nutritious than corn or soy, building material, food for humans. Fact is Henry Ford made his first Model T car out of hemp fiber board and ran the car on hemp. In 1916, the U.S. government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees would need to be cut.

Instead of spending billions on stopping pot smokers that money could go towards our schools, roads, and hospitals. Instead of spending money to stop it we could be taxing cannabis. To thinks states could be making profit off of cannabis. Instead of locking drug users up for life or sending them back onto the streets to repeat their actions we should be treating drug addiction as a medical problem. Sick people who need help from god.

To make a long story short, I believe cannabis to be a god given human right that no one can take way from you. I'm sick of people of the church calling me a punk. I don't go around vandalizing property and taking candy from a baby. I respect every human being on this planet. I do not judge others as that is not my job. I wanted to share my story on here in hopes that I could shed some light of cannabis to the christian world.
 

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Cannabis is a mood altering drug and if you can't stop doing it without becoming angry, irritable and discontent its probably not as Care Bear as you think it is.

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Every devoted Christian I talk to says that. Why is mood altering a bad thing? Sugar changes the chemistry of your brain, alcohol which is much more dangerous than cannabis is legal and many Christians I talk to have nothing to say about that. I don't find cannabis to be addictive. I don't smoke it that often and I can stop when ever I want. My philosphy is you can use cannabis for good or bad just like anything in life. If all your going to do is try to get as high as possible every time then theirs no point to it. I use it to control my anxiety and it really works. I use a strain high in CBD low in THC. Going to start using it before school in the morning. Better than any pharmaceutical drug I've ever tried. No bad side effects!
 
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The bible is a great story. To say we know what a sin is is to say we are god. No one is god and everyone is imperfect. When it boils down to it, you can only try your best. It's all your individual opinion.

This is biblically incorrect. Demonstrably false. If this is the basis of your reasoning throughout the rest of your point, then your point is invalidated from the start.

My $0.02, anyway.
 
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My beliefs say that rape and murder are okay.

You cannot refute this because you do not know right and wrong, according to your own admission.

Stupid sounding, right? That's your argument for weed.

Or, to rephrase, your argument on the morality of weed could be stated thusly about another topic:

The holocaust wasn't sinful. I can prove that everything hitler did was morally okay because Jews are not real people.

You see, just because you believe something doesn't make it true or right. And when you start off trying to prove that pot isn't sinful, but immediately state that we cannot know what sin is because we are not God, you literally invalidate your own argument.
 
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Some Christians will tell you pot isn't a sin, and some will swear that it is. The thing to consider is simply - It's great to get other people's opinion on what is/is not sin. But people will never agree. So what you'll have to do is determine if it is a stumbling block for you in your walk with your faith. If you're having feelings of guilt about it, or if your conscience tells your you shouldn't be doing it, then it's probably best you didn't. If it is not causing you to "stumble" and your conscience is clear, then smoke away. You aren't hurting anyone but yourself by smoking, so it's really no one else's business but your own.
 
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Exactly selfinflikted. Reason why I'm posting this is I am frustrated with all the people who call me a bum, loser, punk, low life with no ambition because I use cannabis to lift myself up. Live and let live I say, to each his own. Other people will have different opinions on something.

Of coarse if your interfering with others, hurting others then your are interfering with somebody else's life. You are not only sinning but bringing another person down with you. I think that is a horrible thing to do. Whatever you want to do in your own private time that is none of my business. Bottom line is no law shall infringe upon your individual rights. If somebody wants to worship satan in their free time I don't have a problem with that. It's not my job to convert everyone to Christianity. Muslims can be Muslims, Jews can be Jews. In the end we are all people and we should respect each other. Every branch of Christianity thinks their the ultimate religion. Catholics, Mormon's, Baptists. That is why I follow my own religion of Chirstianity. The only thing I know for sure is their is a god above us that created this world for all of us to share.

I'm also saying that no one should be judging but God. Who are we to judge others. We are all sinners no better or worse. I wouldn't say I'm a better person than hitler because I don't compare myself to other people.

Now beyond that it seems no one is willing to bring the facts up about cannabis. That if somebody is using it, they shall. I'm a Christian who uses cannabis and I'm proud.
 
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Cannabis is a mood altering drug and if you can't stop doing it without becoming angry, irritable and discontent its probably not as Care Bear as you think it is.

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Baloney!!!!----I've been on medical marijuana since October and it literally saved my life! I do not smoke it--I am not pro-recreational use--It should be used for what God intended it to be--Medical purposes. I used to be completely against it, that is because I believed all the stupid stuff said about it--You do not have the right information---it is only coming out now because the government made it illegal to say or do any positive research on it after 1930's. Before that it was used in many forms and in all sorts of elixirs and in teething drops for babies! If the real research had been allowed, it would have saved millions of people from needless suffering. As it I we had to wait for the Israelis to do the research. There are people who someday will answer to God for having had so many suffering that didn't have to all because of bigotry and
and greed. DO THE REASEARCH--esp on what the Israelis have found, and quite believing all the junk that has been believed for years.
I cook it and drink it and have never once felt high--I have no idea what that feels like. The stories of people doing stupid things on it is because they mixed it with other things in order to get a high. I can't smoke it, makes me cough something fierce and doesn't get better with practice, so I drink it. I never got high even when I tried smoking it. Maybe because my pain levels were so high--I don't know. I have absolutely no mind altering experiences whatsoever, but my pain levels dropped by half and I am able to sleep much better now. I have many medical issues and it is criminal that this should be withheld from so many and when it is available (at least here, for now) very expensive--it's not right that only the rich can afford pain relief!!!
It's ridiculous that I can get methadone, legally, and cheaply, without any problems whatsoever and without any license. And also other potent pain drugs, but a natural weed--that grows wild, doesn't cause 1/8th the problems on the body that other drugs do, actually does many good things---is illegal!!!
 
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Anything that you do or take purely for the sole intent and purposes of getting "High" or getting a so-called "head change" and that's your only reason for doing it, is a sin...

Besides that, after about a week of continual daily use, it doesn't even get you high any more, but you feel like crap if you go without it (the trap and illusion of drugs) Soon your no longer taking the drug to feel good, but to simply keep from feeling bad, so, if you don't have valid reasons for doing it, other than getting high, your better off to go without it anyway,

God Bless!
 
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Anything that you do or take purely for the sole intent and purposes of getting "High" or getting a so-called "head change" and that's your only reason for doing it, is a sin...

Besides that, after about a week of continual daily use, it doesn't even get you high any more, but you feel like crap if you go without it (the trap and illusion of drugs) Soon your no longer taking the drug to feel good, but to simply keep from feeling bad, so, if you don't have valid reasons for doing it, other than getting high, your better off to go without it anyway,

God Bless!

If you stop using it, the only thing you will feel is all your pain returns--no withdrawal at all!! If you take it for nausea, the vomiting returns, if you take it for seizers, the seizures return, if you take if for anxiety and insomnia, then that returns.

We need to stop feeding the wrong info to people!! Even the medical profession did not have the right info as the government kept it hidden. The research is only now being done, before this, it was only legal to report, or research negative results!! No one could legally say anything good it did!
 
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Besides that, after about a week of continual daily use, it doesn't even get you high any more, but you feel like crap if you go without it (the trap and illusion of drugs) Soon your no longer taking the drug to feel good, but to simply keep from feeling bad, so, if you don't have valid reasons for doing it, other than getting high, your better off to go without it anyway,

God Bless!

This may be the case with other drugs, but with pot this is patently false.
 
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I'll admit it. I use cannabis and I'm proud of it. I've only ever had positive experiences with cannabis and I'm sick of the morman's telling me I'm a bad person because.
The Mormons think that even caffeine sends you to Hell, so yeah, I wouldn't really worry about that particular argument...
 
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Anything that you do or take purely for the sole intent and purposes of getting "High" or getting a so-called "head change" and that's your only reason for doing it, is a sin...

Looking at a sunset or a painting is a sin now? Seems a rather odd definition to me.

Besides that, after about a week of continual daily use, it doesn't even get you high any more, but you feel like crap if you go without it (the trap and illusion of drugs) Soon your no longer taking the drug to feel good, but to simply keep from feeling bad, so, if you don't have valid reasons for doing it, other than getting high, your better off to go without it anyway,

God Bless!

Funny. My mother in law has used it almost daily for close to 40 years and still gets high but can go for weeks without it when she travels. I think your info is incorrect.
 
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Besides that, after about a week of continual daily use, it doesn't even get you high any more, but you feel like crap if you go without it (the trap and illusion of drugs) Soon your no longer taking the drug to feel good, but to simply keep from feeling bad
Who have you been talking to? Are you sure they were talking about pot?
 
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I don't think it's a sin in and of itself, but like anything else (drinking, smoking, pornography, etc.), if you do it so much that you become obsessed/addicted and it becomes a bad habit that dominates your life, that is certainly unhealthy, physically, mentally, and spiritually.
 
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