Exodus 20:8-11

[disciple1]

The law this is referring to is the ten commandments.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31

Tell me you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons,one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: "be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband. Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

1 Kings chapter 8 verse 46 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin

2 Chronicles chapter 6 verse 36 When they sin against you for there is no one who does not sin

1John chapter 1 verse 8 If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point there guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[BobRyan]

There is no mention of the Ten Commandments in Gal 4 - rather it is the ceremonial laws given at Sinai.

This is seen in Gal 5 with regard to the ceremonial law of circumcision.

It is also see in 1Cor 7:19 where the ceremonial law of circumcision is compared to the moral law of God's Ten Commandments and the summation given? ... is... "what matters is keeping the Commandments Of God" 1Cor 7:19

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS trangression of the LAW"

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you SIN Not"

And of course James 2 totally refutes the "ignore the law of God" model that some have chosen.

[FONT=&quot]
James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

[FONT=&quot]And IF it were true that the Apostles were [FONT=&quot]prea[FONT=&quot]ch[FONT=&quot]ing a message about 'ignoring the Commandments of God" they would have [FONT=&quot]chosen to repeatedly QUOTE them -- YET as we saw here [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]#22 the oppos[FONT=&quot]ite is true.[/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

James 2 does NOT make the point "sin all you like for there is no one that does not sin"

Rather James 2 says --

[FONT=&quot]James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty[/FONT]

Think about this "[FONT=&quot]if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors"

[FONT=&quot]James is not arguing "Go ahead show partiality after all there is no one that does not sin - who cares what the [FONT=&quot]Law of [FONT=&quot]God convicts you of".

[FONT=&quot]That is not even remotely the point that [FONT=&quot]James is making in your oft [FONT=&quot]quoted [FONT=&quot]tiny snippet of James 2.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

 

[disciple1]

On Mount Sinai.

And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Exodus 31:18
And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. Exodus 34:4

And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai. Exodus 34:32

These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses. Leviticus 26:46

These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai. Leviticus 27:34

Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments. Nehemiah 9:13

 

[bugkiller]

aa

That direct contradiction of scripture is the entire point of the discussion.

God said
"11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Gen 2
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Ex 20:11 and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it."

11and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. (NASB)

Gen 2:3 Clark's Commentary
Because that in it he had rested - שבת shabath, he rested; hence Sabbath, the name of the seventh day, signifying a day of rest

Ex 20:11 Young's Literal Translation
and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.

Gen 2
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:

Sorry. You take it that anytime the 7th day is mentioned it is also only the Sabbath. That simply isn't true. If that were true God didn't give the Sabbath to Israel because IYO God gave it to the whole world. Go ahead and say God did if you like. This contradicts Moses (Ex 31:13) and the prophets (Eze 20:12). The Gentiles didn't regard the Sabbath when not in the company of the Jews or Israel. Pharaoh wasn't included in the giving of the law AKA 10 Cs as Moses said in Deut 5. There's absolutely no indication God gave the Sabbath to all mankind. Yes quote MK 2:27 if you wish. Your meaning of the passage makes Moses and the Prophets liars. So who's right? Are you or are Moses and Ezekiel? Post proof that isn't what either of them said.

The word wherefore means because indicating a reason. Moses isn't going back and renaming the 7th day. Nor is Moses calling the 7th day of creation week the Sabbath. If he were he would have used the word Sabbath in Gen 2.

The Sabbath is a periodic item while the 7th day of creation week isn't.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

"House of Prayer for ALL nations" is the world wide scope of Gospel evangelism - and even in the OT God "So Loved the WORLD" and declared himself to be calling "ALL on earth" to salvation.

IS 56 does not say "to the stranger that moves to Israel"

IS 56 does not say "to the stranger who while visiting Israel must honor God's Word otherwise live in rebellion"

I think we all agree on that point.



[FONT=&quot]Is 56
[FONT=&quot]2 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot], speak, saying, The [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot] hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]For thus saith the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot] unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot], to serve him, and to[/FONT][FONT=&quot] love the name of the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot], to be his servants, every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.[/FONT][/FONT]

Your point is qualified and limited by the verse you quote (7). It doesn't refer to all mankind. The stranger(s) come from al nations. Then we must deal with what covenant they join the Lord through. Paul talks about this in I Eph 2

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

There's no indication a Christian becomes some part of Israel just like a few other passages even found in the Gospels.

Your argument doesn't establish Christians are bound to the 7th day Sabbath primarily because they're aren't bound to the law.

There's no indication Gentiles are bound to the 10 Cs given at Sinai.

NTL your argument also fails upon reading Ex 12:48.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

And of course no "full quote" of the 2nd, 3rd, 10th commandments in the NT

Then the NT doesn't promote the 10 Cs nor the law.

James says all. Paul says all or none.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Therefore according to your reasoning God's domain of authority is as big as the land of Canaan. If you're outside the land of Israel no Law applies to the transgressor and he can do whatever evil he wanted.


“Avoid foolish questions and genealogies and contentions and striving about the Law for they are unprofitable and vain … knowing that he that is such is subverted and sinneth being condemned of himself.” Titus 3:9,11.

Note the word "genealogies".

Nope. Read Ex 20:10. It implies temporary obligation to the stranger also called sojourner. They don't take that obligation with them unless they joined the Lord through that covenant.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In Gal 4 - Paul is talking about the ceremonial law.

In 1Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" -- this is Paul speaking to gentiles in this case.

In James 2 - James does not argue that we need to break all the commandments of God instead of just breaking one.

[FONT=&quot]Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


That same law - same chapter



"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31


Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.




Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty
[/FONT]

Why do you persist in talking about the law when the subject is limited in scope to Ex 20:8-11?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The effort to show that the lost do not gain heaven by sidestepping the Gospel and simply "being sinless" -- is one that Paul makes in several places. And of course nobody doubts him on that point.

Yet for the saints - Paul argues that the New Covenant has the Jer 31:31-33 LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:10-12.

And of course "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God" Rom 3:31.

Also written to gentiles.

in Christ,

Bob

Paul no where says the covenant made with Israel at Sinai is written on the heart of anyone. Paul says we are delivered from the law in Romans 7:6

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

So your quoting and meaning of 3:31 fails to establish Christians are obligated to the law.

What you're really saying is those (Christians) who don't keep the 7th day Sabbath or your amended 7th day sabbath are willfully sinning and have no salvation.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There is no mention of the Ten Commandments in Gal 4 - rather it is the ceremonial laws given at Sinai.

This is seen in Gal 5 with regard to the ceremonial law of circumcision.

It is also see in 1Cor 7:19 where the ceremonial law of circumcision is compared to the moral law of God's Ten Commandments and the summation given? ... is... "what matters is keeping the Commandments Of God" 1Cor 7:19

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS trangression of the LAW"

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you SIN Not"

And of course James 2 totally refutes the "ignore the law of God" model that some have chosen.

[FONT=&quot]
James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

[FONT=&quot]And IF it were true that the Apostles were [FONT=&quot]prea[FONT=&quot]ch[FONT=&quot]ing a message about 'ignoring the Commandments of God" they would have [FONT=&quot]chosen to repeatedly QUOTE them -- YET as we saw here [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]#22 the oppos[FONT=&quot]ite is true.[/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

When Paul says the law, he's always talking about all the law.

bugkiller

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

The word wherefore means because indicating a reason. Moses isn't going back and renaming the 7th day. Nor is Moses calling the 7th day of creation week the Sabbath. If he were he would have used the word Sabbath in Gen 2.

bugkiller

This is as self-contradicting as ever there was.

<<<The word wherefore means because indicating a reason.>>>

What was it ---the <reason>, the <cause> in <<because>>?

The reason and cause was God's Rest on "the day The Seventh Day", God's "blessing" on "the day The Seventh Day", God's "finishing" on "the day The Seventh Day", and God's "hallowing" / "sanctification" / "setting apart" on "the day The Seventh Day".

[In the Hebrew the Commandment has &#8220;the day&#8221; before &#8220;The Seventh Day&#8221;.]

So, Sure! <<Moses isn't going back and renaming the 7th day>>
when he calls God's Rest on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "blessing" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "finishing" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "hallowing" / "sanctification" / "setting apart" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment.

It is not <<because>> Moses does not <<use the word Sabbath in Gen 2>> that he is not <<calling the 7th day of creation week the Sabbath>> in Genesis 2.
Moses does not use the word Sabbath in Genesis 2 <BECAUSE> and for <REASON that> he PRESUPPOSES &#8220;The Seventh Day&#8221; in Genesis 2, "IS the day The Seventh Day SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD&#8221;&#8212; in fact "SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD&#8221;&#8212; for the very <causes> and <reasons> which he mentions, WHY "the day The Seventh Day __IS__ SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD&#8221;.

I think universities and the science of Biblical Studies will benefit if they made Logic a compulsory subject for all their courses.

 

[bugkiller]

James 2 does NOT make the point "sin all you like for there is no one that does not sin"

Who said he did? What does this have to do with Ex 20:8-11?

<snip>

bugkiller

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

When Paul says the law, he's always talking about all the law.

bugkiller

Yes, and (always?) <<about ALL the Law>> in contradistinction with Christ The WORD-of-God-LAW in Person of the RAISED UP from the dead Triumphator Son of God the Son of Man Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[bugkiller]

This is as self-contradicting as ever there was.

<<<The word wherefore means because indicating a reason.>>>

What was it ---the <reason>, the <cause> in <<because>>?

The reason and cause was God's Rest on "the day The Seventh Day", God's "blessing" on "the day The Seventh Day", God's "finishing" on "the day The Seventh Day", and God's "hallowing" / "sanctification" / "setting apart" on "the day The Seventh Day".

[In the Hebrew the Commandment has “the day” before “The Seventh Day”.]

So, Sure! <<Moses isn't going back and renaming the 7th day>>
when he calls God's Rest on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "blessing" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "finishing" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment;
when he calls God's "hallowing" / "sanctification" / "setting apart" on "the day The Seventh Day" "the Sabbath" in the Commandment.

It is not <<because>> Moses does not <<use the word Sabbath in Gen 2>> that he is not <<calling the 7th day of creation week the Sabbath>> in Genesis 2.
Moses does not use the word Sabbath in Genesis 2 <BECAUSE> and for <REASON that> he PRESUPPOSES “The Seventh Day” in Genesis 2, "IS the day The Seventh Day SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD”— in fact "SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD”— for the very <causes> and <reasons> which he mentions, WHY "the day The Seventh Day __IS__ SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD”.

I think universities and the science of Biblical Studies will benefit if they made Logic a compulsory subject for all their courses.

So sorry. Moses doesn't call the 7th day of creation week the Sabbath.

Quote and cite your source that says wherefore means is.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes, and (always?) <<about ALL the Law>> in contradistinction with Christ The WORD-of-God-LAW in Person of the RAISED UP from the dead Triumphator Son of God the Son of Man Jesus of Nazareth.

Don't follow you here. Do you mind restating what you mean?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Why do you persist in talking about the law when the subject is limited in scope to Ex 20:8-11?

bugkiller

I responded to posts about "the law"

a post that started like this

The law this is referring to is the ten commandments.
Galatians chapter 4 verse 21-31...

.

as we both know.

and in the post of mine specifically that you are quoting - we have examples specifically of the TEN Commandments being quoted from repeatedly in the NT - at a point when some have argued that such law as the TEN Commandments ended.

As someone has already noted James 2 says that if you break one in that set of TEN - you break them all.

 

[Gerhard Ebersöhn]

Paul no where says the covenant made with Israel at Sinai is written on the heart of anyone. Paul says we are delivered from the law in Romans 7:6

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

So your quoting and meaning of 3:31 fails to establish Christians are obligated to the law.

What you're really saying is those (Christians) who don't keep the 7th day Sabbath or your amended 7th day sabbath are willfully sinning and have no salvation.

bugkiller

<<<Paul no where says the covenant made with Israel at Sinai is written on the heart of anyone.>>>

EXACTLY!

Therefore : "Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31.

Paul says "the Law-of-GOD" <<is written on the heart of...>> ONLY those who BELIEVE. Only through FAITH is the Law written in the heart of ONLY BELIEVERS and those believers ONLY are the Israel of God. So God gives his Law to ONLY the FAITHFUL ISRAEL of God.

"In times PAST God through the PROPHETS spake to ONLY those who heard his VOICE in their own "TODAY" in which THEY, heard.
"In THESE LAST DAYS, God speaks by the SON" in our own "TODAY" in which WE, hear His VOICE, Jesus Christ, speak!
And "God shall not again speak of (or in) another day of salvation" because there WON'T BE another ever again!

 

[BobRyan]

When Paul says the law, he's always talking about all the law.

bugkiller

"Do we then make VOID THE LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH THE Law of God" Rom 3:31

 

[BobRyan]

James 2 does NOT make the point "sin all you like for there is no one that does not sin"

Rather James 2 says --

[FONT=&quot]James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty[/FONT]

Think about this "[FONT=&quot]if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors"

[FONT=&quot]James is not arguing "Go ahead show partiality after all there is no one that does not sin - who cares what the [FONT=&quot]Law of [FONT=&quot]God convicts you of".

[FONT=&quot]That is not even remotely the point that [FONT=&quot]James is making in your oft [FONT=&quot]quoted [FONT=&quot]tiny snippet of James 2.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

Then the NT doesn't promote the 10 Cs nor the law.

James says all. Paul says all or none.

bugkiller

I prefer the actual Bible.

in Christ,

Bob