What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't believe you. I can disprove evolution in one step.

Go on...

Darwin suggests that all life started as single celled organism and them slowly evolved into all the species we know and love today.
Correct?
If that were true, we would expect to see a fossil record that shows this. One-two- three, etc, millions. Right?
Why then do the oldest fossil records show the complete opposite? If you're really open to evidence, start doing your research. The information is out there.
After that, try to explain the evolution of a giraffe.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. The fossil record is one line of evidence supporting evolution.

 

[Ken-1122]

I am talking about how evolutionists can also have a degree of faith in what they believe. They will promote the consensus of opinion without really having solid backup because they believe its true no matter what.

Do you know of any evolutionist who are doing this? Or are you simply parroting what you've heard somebody else say. If what you are claiming were true, evolution would have never gotten past the peer review process.

Ken

 

[jacknife]

I don't believe you. I can disprove evolution in one step.

Darwin suggests that all life started as single celled organism and them slowly evolved into all the species we know and love today.
Correct?
If that were true, we would expect to see a fossil record that shows this. One-two- three, etc, millions. Right?
Why then do the oldest fossil records show the complete opposite? If you're really open to evidence, start doing your research. The information is out there.
After that, try to explain the evolution of a giraffe.

you want fossils of single celled organisms? not sure if this is what you mean but i did find something.Stromatolite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. i don't understand how giraffe's confuse you. the ones with the longer necks reached the food and lived, those with traits with shorter necks died. Giraffe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. i hope i understood you correctly i had a few drinks today.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Oh my. Are you Confucius now? Are you really an atheist trying to make Christians look stupid?! What's with you dude?

You should stick to God is Love and be loving to others. Don't start condemning people because you have no idea what you're talking about.

You are wrong to promote fear in God. Do you fear love! Can you even hear yourself typing?

No offense Love, but you aren't exactly making a whole lot of sense either...

God is love? Tell me how that works...

Love is an emotion...are emotions sentient beings? Who is hate then? Who is apathy? How do feelings create universes? Why would i need Jesus or christianity if I've already got love?

Once you answer those questions I've got another two dozen or so surrounding this "god is love" business.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

Yesyoushould,

If you truly believe in Love you need to check yourself. You are hurting us Christians with you're meaningless rhetoric and unfounded opinions. If you can't have a serious conversation about God, you shouldn't be posting here.
The crap you're spewing only turns people away from God. You answer questions with nonsense rambling and random scripture. You are embarrassing me and yourself. Leave the theological discussions to people that can handle them. You are obviously out of your league.
I will no longer respond to your posts as it is just a waste of time, but let me leave you with this,
Your posts cast a negative light on all Christians. If you truly care, you will stick to the basics and stop professing knowledge that you do not posess.
Truly, I hope you can find clarity, you are in great need. May your life be full of happiness and Love.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yesyoushould,

If you truly believe in Love you need to check yourself. You are hurting us Christians with you're meaningless rhetoric and unfounded opinions. If you can't have a serious conversation about God, you shouldn't be posting here.
The crap you're spewing only turns people away from God. You answer questions with nonsense rambling and random scripture. You are embarrassing me and yourself. Leave the theological discussions to people that can handle them. You are obviously out of your league.

What gives you the authority to pontificate on what theological discussions people can and can't have?

 

[jacknife]

Yesyoushould,

If you truly believe in Love you need to check yourself. You are hurting us Christians with you're meaningless rhetoric and unfounded opinions. If you can't have a serious conversation about God, you shouldn't be posting here.
The crap you're spewing only turns people away from God. You answer questions with nonsense rambling and random scripture. You are embarrassing me and yourself. Leave the theological discussions to people that can handle them. You are obviously out of your league.
I will no longer respond to your posts as it is just a waste of time, but let me leave you with this,
Your posts cast a negative light on all Christians. If you truly care, you will stick to the basics and stop professing knowledge that you do not posess.
Truly, I hope you can find clarity, you are in great need. May your life be full of happiness and Love.

hey man why you gotta bro beat on him?

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

Responding to evolution arguments,

First, the fossil record shows a plethora of life as far back as we have gone. More life infact than exists today. The fossil record shows a steady decline in species not a steady increase.
Not single celled organisms per say, but how about even small ecosystems of similar creatures. Or a record that shows fewer species than exists today.
Did you know the evidence of the Big Bang was retracted by the same scientists that suggested it.
The giraffe along with many other species of animals do not fit onto your theory of evolution. If you knew the biology of the giraffe this would be easier but in short,
The giraffe could not have evolved. It's circulatory system is very complex and could not function without All of the parts working together. If giraffes evolved then the first ones heads exploded the first time they ate from the ground.
There are many examples of this in science if you simply look for them. I will compile a list if you'd like. But my point is this, if one creature does not fit into evolution, then the THEORY is flawed. Belief in evolution is a leap of faith.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Responding to evolution arguments,

First, the fossil record shows a plethora of life as far back as we have gone. More life infact than exists today. The fossil record shows a steady decline in species not a steady increase.
Not single celled organisms per say, but how about even small ecosystems of similar creatures. Or a record that shows fewer species than exists today.

I'm not following your argument. How does the number of species extant today refute evolution?

Did you know the evidence of the Big Bang was retracted by the same scientists that suggested it.

What does the Big Bang have to do with evidence for evolution? Your argument is all over the place.

The giraffe along with many other species of animals do not fit onto your theory of evolution. If you knew the biology of the giraffe this would be easier but in short,
The giraffe could not have evolved. It's circulatory system is very complex and could not function without All of the parts working together. If giraffes evolved then the first ones heads exploded the first time they ate from the ground.
There are many examples of this in science if you simply look for them. I will compile a list if you'd like. But my point is this, if one creature does not fit into evolution, then the THEORY is flawed. Belief in evolution is a leap of faith.

What? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[jacknife]

i think he is referring to their blood pressure. giraffes have extremely (the hightest if im not mistaken) blood pressure. this is because they needed to pump blood up their long necks. this holds many disadventagous to the giraffe but is basically outweighed by the fact that the long neck also eliminates competition for food. and is explained pretty simply by "the animal with traits for higher blood pressure lived while others died". how this makes somethings head explode is beyond me. E: im dumb they could have just evolved larger hearts. thier hearts are also huge.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

No offense Love, but you aren't exactly making a whole lot of sense either...

God is love? Tell me how that works...

Love is an emotion...are emotions sentient beings? Who is hate then? Who is apathy? How do feelings create universes? Why would i need Jesus or christianity if I've already got love?

Once you answer those questions I've got another two dozen or so surrounding this "god is love" business.

From the top,
If you believe in Christ and the bible then all I need to say is that Jesus said, "God is love".
Yes, you experience Love as an emotion. That emotion is provided by (is) the Spirit of God. If you have Love in your heart and you live by that love then you already know God and Jesus. The bible is good then for wisdom just as good as the Quran or any other scripture. Good thing to have but unnecessary for salvation.
Do you disagree that Love is the most powerful force in the universe? Is not love in everything and everyone. (Omnipresent, omnipotent)
This shouldn't be a stretch for Christians.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

What gives you the authority to pontificate on what theological discussions people can and can't have?

Read the last few pages of posts from this member and maybe you will understand my frustration. I truly feel like he's pretending to be a Christian to promote confusion. I am no better for my beliefs but I'm also not going around telling people that believe or be damned. That's a terrible sentiment and is totally opposed to the fundamentals of Christianity. I said what I said to my brethern because I believe it needed to be said. I stand by it.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

I don't believe you. I can disprove evolution in one step.

Darwin suggests that all life started as single celled organism and them slowly evolved into all the species we know and love today.
Correct?
If that were true, we would expect to see a fossil record that shows this. One-two- three, etc, millions. Right?
Why then do the oldest fossil records show the complete opposite? If you're really open to evidence, start doing your research. The information is out there.
After that, try to explain the evolution of a giraffe.

The conditions required for fossilization to occur are very unlikely, your question is analogous to- if billions of people play lotto, why are there only a few 1st division winners?

Even the total absence of all fossils wouldn't really affect the validity of evolution. There is enough corroborating evidence from all the other lines.

Anyway, the giraffe, explain to us why the laryngeal nerve in the base of the giraffe brain, travels a completely illogical convoluted pathway down the neck, around the arteries of the heart and then travels all the way back up the neck to the voice box?

 

[Ana the Ist]

From the top,
If you believe in Christ and the bible then all I need to say is that Jesus said, "God is love".
Yes, you experience Love as an emotion. That emotion is provided by (is) the Spirit of God. If you have Love in your heart and you live by that love then you already know God and Jesus. The bible is good then for wisdom just as good as the Quran or any other scripture. Good thing to have but unnecessary for salvation.
Do you disagree that Love is the most powerful force in the universe? Is not love in everything and everyone. (Omnipresent, omnipotent)
This shouldn't be a stretch for Christians.

I don't believe in god or Christ... but it's nice to know I'll get into heaven if I'm wrong.

No, I don't think I'd say love is the most powerful force in the universe. I'd guess entropy or maybe gravity... but I've only thought of it for maybe a few seconds before writing this.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Read the last few pages of posts from this member and maybe you will understand my frustration. I truly feel like he's pretending to be a Christian to promote confusion. I am no better for my beliefs but I'm also not going around telling people that believe or be damned. That's a terrible sentiment and is totally opposed to the fundamentals of Christianity. I said what I said to my brethern because I believe it needed to be said. I stand by it.

Given that you are no better for your beliefs, and you admit that, it would seem that you have no authority to tell someone whether they may or may not promote a certain theological position.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

I'm not following your argument. How does the number of species extant today refute evolution?



What does the Big Bang have to do with evidence for evolution? Your argument is all over the place.



What? That doesn't even make sense.

I wish I knew how to segment quotes like that.

As for the fossil record,
Evolutionary theory suggests that all life formed in one cesspool with the right chemical ingredients. Then life evolved from one species, to two, and so on and so forth. With me still?
So, the fossil record should then show that millions of years ago, there were only a few species that continued to evolve into more and more species.
Right?
Like a road cone with the small end being millions of years ago and the large end being the last 10000 years. Showing the growth and development of life. Slowly.

The fossil record does not show this at all. The fossil record shows that there is a steady decline in the existence of species. Fewer and fewer known species exist on this planet. The fossil record show the cone being upside down.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

Given that you are no better for your beliefs, and you admit that, it would seem that you have no authority to tell someone whether they may or may not promote a certain theological position.

I claim no authority. I suggested to him that he shouldn't do what he's doing because I feel it is counterproductive to what he seems to believe. Did you read the posts? If there's some disability that I've missed then I might apologize for my brashness, only.

 

[stevevw]

First, "evolutionists" do have solid backup, which is why faith isn't required. Second, we don't believe in evolution "no matter what." If the evidence were to turn against it, we would reconsider it.

Before we go any further can you tell me what the solid backup is for evolution.

And no many scientists dont turn against new evidence. They hold onto their older beliefs and dont want to acknowledge the new evidence that has casts doubts on the theory they hold. They will even falsify results so that it supports their beliefs. Because they have bias towards evolution they will also interpret everything towards that bias. You only have to look at all the climate change data out there which is contradicting itself all the time to see that there are two different sets of scientists both claiming they have all the facts and both saying they are correct to know that they both cant be right. The same thing happens with evolution.

But now even more so it is being disputed and evidence is showing that the traditional view of evolution that Darwin promoted is in doubt. The problem is many of the old school evolutionists dont want to even entertain the thought that they are wrong. Just like religion it often takes a long time and many bits of evidence to finally convince them to change and see the light that they were wrong and move with the times.

The problem begins with the public’s rising expectations of science. Being human, scientists are tempted to show that they know more than they do. The number of investigators—and the number of experiments, observations and analyses they produce—has also increased exponentially in many fields, but adequate safeguards against bias are lacking. Research is fragmented, competition is fierce and emphasis is often given to single studies instead of the big picture. Much research is conducted for reasons other than the pursuit of truth. Conflicts of interest abound, and they influence outcomes.

An Epidemic of False Claims - Scientific American

I wont even begin to list all the evidence that can show how Darwinian evolution is in doubt and not fact until you show me what you think is fact with evolution.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

I don't believe in god or Christ... but it's nice to know I'll get into heaven if I'm wrong.

No, I don't think I'd say love is the most powerful force in the universe. I'd guess entropy or maybe gravity... but I've only thought of it for maybe a few seconds before writing this.

Lol, ok, well it helps to know where you're coming from.
So, you don't believe in god or Christ. But you have already admitted that you do believe in love, just not to the extent that I do.
First off, Christs existence on this earth is indisputable as far as historical proof goes. If you don't believe in Christ you must not buy into any of that history stuff. That being said, I'll assume you meant you do not believe that Christ was God.
I do believe in God. But not as described by most religions. I base my opinions on the teachings of Christ. I do believe that Christ was the embodiment of Love and that he died to bring us the message of true salvation. If He hadnt been crucified I would not be able to tell you this.
Yes, I believe that even atheists will be in 'heaven'. Along with anyone else who lives in Love. (That's a simple statement that represents a much deeper belief)
I believe that we will all be judged based on what we believe to be true and how we acted accordingly. I would caution some however that use athesim as a method to not hold themselves accountable for their actions. This does not apply to you. (Not saying there are any here)
How else could any god be just? How can I be judged based on knowledge I don't possess. That wouldn't be fair. Neither would not allowing someone inherently good into 'heaven' simply because they called God, Allah.
There is certainly grey expanses but only your heart can condemn or save you.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

Before we go any further can you tell me what the solid backup is for evolution.

And no many scientists dont turn against new evidence. They hold onto their older beliefs and dont want to acknowledge the new evidence that has casts doubts on the theory they hold. They will even falsify results so that it supports their beliefs. Because they have bias towards evolution they will also interpret everything towards that bias. You only have to look at all the climate change data out there which is contradicting itself all the time to see that there are two different sets of scientists both claiming they have all the facts and both saying they are correct to know that they both cant be right. The same thing happens with evolution.

But now even more so it is being disputed and evidence is showing that the traditional view of evolution that Darwin promoted is in doubt. The problem is many of the old school evolutionists dont want to even entertain the thought that they are wrong. Just like religion it often takes a long time and many bits of evidence to finally convince them to change and see the light that they were wrong and move with the times.

The problem begins with the public’s rising expectations of science. Being human, scientists are tempted to show that they know more than they do. The number of investigators—and the number of experiments, observations and analyses they produce—has also increased exponentially in many fields, but adequate safeguards against bias are lacking. Research is fragmented, competition is fierce and emphasis is often given to single studies instead of the big picture. Much research is conducted for reasons other than the pursuit of truth. Conflicts of interest abound, and they influence outcomes.

I wont even begin to list all the evidence that can show how Darwinian evolution is in doubt and not fact until you show me what you think is fact with evolution.

I am in agreement with this member. If he allows, I will let him respond to the issues of evolution on my behalf. He is obviously better versed than I am.