The Sabbath and the Law.

[Walter and Deborah]

The Sabbath is one thing by itself:
Luke 4:16
Luke 4:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 5:
About the law:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

 

[Raeneske]

An interesting question to pose to those who promote Sunday. Why do their stances constantly contradict each other? One preacheth Christ is the Sabbath. Another that Sunday is the Sabbath. Another, that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross. And yet another that the Sabbath is every day. And yet another, that the Sabbath can be any day of your choosing. All these points cannot be true at the same time!

There is one clear cut answer, which is written in God's very law. His law answers all these claims.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

According to God, we are to "Remember the sabbath day", not forget it. It was not nailed to the cross. According to God, the sabbath a "day" to keep holy. It is not a person to keep holy. Are we to assume we are to keep Christ holy? That doesn't even make any sense. According to God, the "seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God". Not the first day, everyday, or even whatever day you want. It is the seventh day.

Simple answers from our Lord.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

An interesting question to pose to those who promote Sunday. Why do their stances constantly contradict each other? One preacheth Christ is the Sabbath. Another that Sunday is the Sabbath. Another, that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross. And yet another that the Sabbath is every day. And yet another, that the Sabbath can be any day of your choosing. All these points cannot be true at the same time!

There is one clear cut answer, which is written in God's very law. His law answers all these claims.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it...........

What are you allowed to do and not do on the sabbath? Do you follow it the exact same way the Jews to? Perhaps Fri-Sat sabbath is for Jews, Sunday is for the Catholics and the rest of the days are for Protestants. Just throwing that out there....

http://www.christianforums.com/t7714737-101/
if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.

 

[disciple1]

galatians chapter 5 verse 14
the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
galatians chapter 5 verse 6
the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The Sabbath is one thing by itself:
Luke 4:16
Luke 4:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 5:
About the law:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

No.... The Sabbath was never meant for any nation but Israel. The Sabbath is part of the Law and not separable from it not alone, not by extracting the 10 commandments it is an integral part of being a Jew and nobody else is supposed to keep it. People equate the Sabbath as holy but mock the God who proclaims it for Israel ONLY by stealing it from them and keeping it without applying for citizenship of Israel. The Sabbath isn't part of "believers" it is part of Israel believing or (mostly) NOT believing. In the time of the Sabbath ALL of Israel was bound to keep it whether they believed in God or not. Atheist Jews at that time were forced to keep the Sabbath upon pain of death because they were part of Israel. Gentiles are not part of Israel, but if they wanted to they could approach the levitical priesthood and undergo the requirements to become part of Israel including circumcision. The council of Jerusalem said NO to Gentiles being required to keep the Sabbath.

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath is one thing by itself:
Luke 4:16
Luke 4:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 5:
About the law:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Jesus isn't teaching the law as John says

17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1


Heb 7:12 interferes with your idea of Mat 5:17-18 as well.

There are other items worthy of mention in your quote as well.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

An interesting question to pose to those who promote Sunday. Why do their stances constantly contradict each other? One preacheth Christ is the Sabbath. Another that Sunday is the Sabbath. Another, that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross. And yet another that the Sabbath is every day. And yet another, that the Sabbath can be any day of your choosing. All these points cannot be true at the same time!

Yes they can and do.

There is one clear cut answer, which is written in God's very law. His law answers all these claims.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

According to God, we are to "Remember the sabbath day", not forget it. It was not nailed to the cross. According to God, the sabbath a "day" to keep holy. It is not a person to keep holy. Are we to assume we are to keep Christ holy? That doesn't even make any sense. According to God, the "seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God". Not the first day, everyday, or even whatever day you want. It is the seventh day.

What is this we stuff?

Exodus 20 is spoken exclusively to Israel. Unless you're a natural bloodline Jew or a convert to Judaism this doesn't apply to you or us. The common fallacy ascribed to by all who state such as you've done are using the word "you" as a code word to imply all mankind. This doesn't work for Exodus 20. Nor does it apply to Ex 31:13 where Moses says the Sabbath is given to Israel only for a sign. It the whole world is to do this it can't be significant to Israel as Moses says.

Simple answers from our Lord.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

The above quote is nothing more than condemnation to manipulate because of disagreement.

bugkiller

 

[Walter and Deborah]

The Sabbath
Saturday, Sunday or every day?

Question: I was taught the Sabbath was Sunday, but recently I heard the Sabbath was actually SATURDAY which is the 7th day. (God rested on the 7th day and it shall be called the Sabbath.) I hear many conflicting arguments about this, it only makes sense to me now that the Sabbath is truly on Saturday since no where in the bible does it mention Sunday. I would owe you many thanks if you could answer this question for me and shed light.

Answer: [bless and do not curse]I agree with you that the Old Testament clearly tells us that the seventh day was to be set aside as the Sabbath. But "the Lord's Day" -- or the "the first day" of the week -- is mentioned as the special day several times in the New Testament. Perhaps the main thing to remember is that since we are joined to Christ through the cross, we can freely worship Him every day of the week! He is our Shepherd, and when we trust and follow Him, He shows us His ways.

But lets look at some of His guidelines. While our God finished His work of creation on the seventh day, another work was completed by Jesus through the cross. Bearing our sins in His tortured body, He said with His dying breath, "It is finished!" The ultimate work of redemption was done! No need for periodic sin offerings as in the past! He -- the pure and holy sacrificial lamb -- freed us from eternal judgment by bearing the full weight of the penalty we deserve.

The Old Testament's 7th-day Sabbath was ordained and celebrated before the cross -- long before Jesus said, “It is finished”[bless and do not curse] -- and long before we became partakers of His glorious victory.

The Old Testament legal structure was based on the Law given to Moses, including all the Levitical laws concerning temple sacrifice that became obsolete when Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice for sin -- "once for all." In contrast, the New Testament was based on God's grace through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Lord. From then on, God's people would live by faith, not by "works"! And by that God-given faith, they would happily follow His way.

In the dark hours between the cross and the empty tomb, grief and confusion filled the hearts of those who loved Him. But all the more joyful was the day of His resurrection -- the first day of the week![bless and do not curse] What an amazing time to celebrate! What glorious hours[bless and do not curse] to commemorate each week in all the years to come!

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath
Saturday, Sunday or every day?

Question: I was taught the Sabbath was Sunday, but recently I heard the Sabbath was actually SATURDAY which is the 7th day. (God rested on the 7th day and it shall be called the Sabbath.) I hear many conflicting arguments about this, it only makes sense to me now that the Sabbath is truly on Saturday since no where in the bible does it mention Sunday. I would owe you many thanks if you could answer this question for me and shed light.

1. Jesus was raised on the FIRST day of the week - which all agree is SUNDAY - that makes SATURDAY the 7th day of the week and all agree that this is true - Jews and Christians alike.

So it is beyond question that the "7th day" as God blessed it and named it "Sabbath" in the OT is Saturday. Very very few people on this entire section of the board will not know this to be true.

2. The debate is not whether God selected the 7th day which is Saturday - in the Sabbath commandment - the question is whether the TEN commandments have been entirely abolished or at the very least has man-made tradition been successful in "editing" God's Sabbath commandment?

3, In Mark 7 Christ flatly condemns the attempt by the Jews so set aside one of the TEN Commandments. Mark 7:6-13.

5. In Matt 5 Christ said he was not here to abolish the Commandments.

I hope that helps. ... and welcome.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Answer: [bless and do not curse]I agree with you that the Old Testament clearly tells us that the seventh day was to be set aside as the Sabbath. But "the Lord's Day" -- or the "the first day" of the week -- is mentioned as the special day several times in the New Testament.

1. There is not one place in either OT or NT where week-day-1 ... sunday is called "The LORD's Day".

2. God's Sabbath is called the "Holy Day of the LORD" Is 58:13.

Mark 2:28 "the Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath".

Other than those two examples - we have only man-made tradition for assigning the term to some other day.

 

[bugkiller]

The Sabbath
Saturday, Sunday or every day?

Question: I was taught the Sabbath was Sunday, but recently I heard the Sabbath was actually SATURDAY which is the 7th day. (God rested on the 7th day and it shall be called the Sabbath.) I hear many conflicting arguments about this, it only makes sense to me now that the Sabbath is truly on Saturday since no where in the bible does it mention Sunday. I would owe you many thanks if you could answer this question for me and shed light.

Answer: [bless and do not curse]I agree with you that the Old Testament clearly tells us that the seventh day was to be set aside as the Sabbath. But "the Lord's Day" -- or the "the first day" of the week -- is mentioned as the special day several times in the New Testament. Perhaps the main thing to remember is that since we are joined to Christ through the cross, we can freely worship Him every day of the week! He is our Shepherd, and when we trust and follow Him, He shows us His ways.

But lets look at some of His guidelines. While our God finished His work of creation on the seventh day, another work was completed by Jesus through the cross. Bearing our sins in His tortured body, He said with His dying breath, "It is finished!" The ultimate work of redemption was done! No need for periodic sin offerings as in the past! He -- the pure and holy sacrificial lamb -- freed us from eternal judgment by bearing the full weight of the penalty we deserve.

The Old Testament's 7th-day Sabbath was ordained and celebrated before the cross -- long before Jesus said, “It is finished”[bless and do not curse] -- and long before we became partakers of His glorious victory.

The Old Testament legal structure was based on the Law given to Moses, including all the Levitical laws concerning temple sacrifice that became obsolete when Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice for sin -- "once for all." In contrast, the New Testament was based on God's grace through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Lord. From then on, God's people would live by faith, not by "works"! And by that God-given faith, they would happily follow His way.

In the dark hours between the cross and the empty tomb, grief and confusion filled the hearts of those who loved Him. But all the more joyful was the day of His resurrection -- the first day of the week![bless and do not curse] What an amazing time to celebrate! What glorious hours[bless and do not curse] to commemorate each week in all the years to come!

That was fast. When I'm on my tractor it's called throwing dirt. If it is my truck it's called laying rubber. Hope it didn't hurt your [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] any. IOW I read a retraction and soft peddling of your idea.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Perhaps the main thing to remember is that since we are joined to Christ through the cross, we can freely worship Him every day of the week! He is our Shepherd, and when we trust and follow Him, He shows us His ways.

But lets look at some of His guidelines. While our God finished His work of creation on the seventh day, another work was completed by Jesus through the cross. Bearing our sins in His tortured body, He said with His dying breath, "It is finished!" The ultimate work of redemption was done! No need for periodic sin offerings as in the past! He -- the pure and holy sacrificial lamb -- freed us from eternal judgment by bearing the full weight of the penalty we deserve.

The Old Testament's 7th-day Sabbath was ordained and celebrated before the cross -- long before Jesus said, “It is finished”[bless and do not curse] -- and long before we became partakers of His glorious victory.

The Old Testament legal structure was based on the Law given to Moses, including all the Levitical laws concerning temple sacrifice that became obsolete when Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice for sin -- "once for all." In contrast, the New Testament was based on God's grace through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Lord. From then on, God's people would live by faith, not by "works"! And by that God-given faith, they would happily follow His way.

In the New Testament the NEW Covenant of Hebrews 8 comes directly from Jer 31:31-33 and it has the continued "LAW of God" written on the heart and mind.

In Lev 18:19 we have "Love your neighbor as yourself" - this law was not banned/abolished at the cross.

The Commandments of God "remain" in the NT text.

"Do we then abolish the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

Christ was not in the tomb for 6 days - rising up from the grave on the 7th day.

There is no 7 day cycle or event there.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

An interesting question to pose to those who promote Sunday. Why do their stances constantly contradict each other? One preacheth Christ is the Sabbath. Another that Sunday is the Sabbath. Another, that the Sabbath is nailed to the cross. And yet another that the Sabbath is every day. And yet another, that the Sabbath can be any day of your choosing. All these points cannot be true at the same time!

There is one clear cut answer, which is written in God's very law. His law answers all these claims.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

According to God, we are to "Remember the sabbath day", not forget it. It was not nailed to the cross. According to God, the sabbath a "day" to keep holy. It is not a person to keep holy. Are we to assume we are to keep Christ holy? That doesn't even make any sense. According to God, the "seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God". Not the first day, everyday, or even whatever day you want. It is the seventh day.

Simple answers from our Lord.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

amen ... and amen!

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 -- even for all eternity in the New Earth.

 

[BobRyan]

The Sabbath is one thing by itself:
Luke 4:16
Luke 4:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 5:
About the law:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

And in James 2 - we are told that the Commandments are still valid for the saints.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The Commandments? The TEN Commandments?

yes indeed.

First point to the actual NT texts that many are so anxious to avoid ...where the TEN Commandments are being quoted from - as if they still matter.

Then insist that the NT is true.

====================================

"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


That same law - same chapter



"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31


Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.




Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,

Thou shalt not commit adultery,

Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,

Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.




Matt 19 -- before the cross. The Commandments of Christ -

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother; and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[bugkiller]

1. Jesus was raised on the FIRST day of the week - which all agree is SUNDAY - that makes SATURDAY the 7th day of the week and all agree that this is true - Jews and Christians alike.

So it is beyond question that the "7th day" as God blessed it and named it "Sabbath" in the OT is Saturday. Very very few people on this entire section of the board will not know this to be true.

2. The debate is not whether God selected the 7th day which is Saturday - in the Sabbath commandment - the question is whether the TEN commandments have been entirely abolished or at the very least has man-made tradition been successful in "editing" God's Sabbath commandment?

3, In Mark 7 Christ flatly condemns the attempt by the Jews so set aside one of the TEN Commandments. Mark 7:6-13.

5. In Matt 5 Christ said he was not here to abolish the Commandments.

I hope that helps. ... and welcome.

in Christ,

Bob

Do you think of abolish in your quote more like annihilate?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In the New Testament the NEW Covenant of Hebrews 8 comes directly from Jer 31:31-33 and it has the continued "LAW of God" written on the heart and mind.

In Lev 18:19 we have "Love your neighbor as yourself" - this law was not banned/abolished at the cross.

The Commandments of God "remain" in the NT text.

"Do we then abolish the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

Christ was not in the tomb for 6 days - rising up from the grave on the 7th day.

There is no 7 day cycle or event there.

in Christ,

Bob

Would you mind giving some personal commentary on your red highlighted verse? Are you really trying to say the law is still in force? Wouldn't it also mean the NC isn't yet in force?

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Sabbath
Saturday, Sunday or every day?

Question: I was taught the Sabbath was Sunday, but recently I heard the Sabbath was actually SATURDAY which is the 7th day. (God rested on the 7th day and it shall be called the Sabbath.) I hear many conflicting arguments about this, it only makes sense to me now that the Sabbath is truly on Saturday since no where in the bible does it mention Sunday. I would owe you many thanks if you could answer this question for me and shed light.

Answer: [bless and do not curse]I agree with you that the Old Testament clearly tells us that the seventh day was to be set aside as the Sabbath. But "the Lord's Day" -- or the "the first day" of the week -- is mentioned as the special day several times in the New Testament. Perhaps the main thing to remember is that since we are joined to Christ through the cross, we can freely worship Him every day of the week! He is our Shepherd, and when we trust and follow Him, He shows us His ways.

But lets look at some of His guidelines. While our God finished His work of creation on the seventh day, another work was completed by Jesus through the cross. Bearing our sins in His tortured body, He said with His dying breath, "It is finished!" The ultimate work of redemption was done! No need for periodic sin offerings as in the past! He -- the pure and holy sacrificial lamb -- freed us from eternal judgment by bearing the full weight of the penalty we deserve.

The Old Testament's 7th-day Sabbath was ordained and celebrated before the cross -- long before Jesus said, “It is finished”[bless and do not curse] -- and long before we became partakers of His glorious victory.

The Old Testament legal structure was based on the Law given to Moses, including all the Levitical laws concerning temple sacrifice that became obsolete when Jesus became our ultimate sacrifice for sin -- "once for all." In contrast, the New Testament was based on God's grace through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, our Lord. From then on, God's people would live by faith, not by "works"! And by that God-given faith, they would happily follow His way.

In the dark hours between the cross and the empty tomb, grief and confusion filled the hearts of those who loved Him. But all the more joyful was the day of His resurrection -- the first day of the week! What an amazing time to celebrate! What glorious hours[bless and do not curse] to commemorate each week in all the years to come!

The Jews are not allowed to cook between sunset Fri and sunset Sat...Here in Texas, Saturday if hugh on Saturday and Sunday bbq cooking.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/pra...e_Sabbath/At_Home/Preparing_for_Shabbat.shtml

In anticipation of the Friday night meal, observant Jews tend to eat lighter meals during the daytime on Friday. There is also much to do. In fact, the more observant you are of the details of Shabbat, the more you have to prepare before it arrives.
The late eminent scholar Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik used to say that the true mark of a pious Jew is not that he or she is a shomer Shabbat (a Sabbath observer) but is shomer erev Shabbat (one who properly prepares on the eve of the Sabbath).

By traditional Jewish law, one cannot shop on the Sabbath, so marketing is usually done during the day on Friday. Cooking is prohibited on the Sabbath, so that must be done in advance, too. Foods prepared beforehand can be kept warm on a hot plate or on the stove, a condition that has led to a preference for certain hearty dishes like a meat-bean-and-potato stew called cholent.............


.

 

[bugkiller]

And in James 2 - we are told that the Commandments are still valid for the saints.

in Christ,

Bob

We disagree. Can you prove your point with the Bible?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The Commandments? The TEN Commandments?

yes indeed.

First point to the actual NT texts that many are so anxious to avoid ...where the TEN Commandments are being quoted from - as if they still matter.

Then insist that the NT is true.

====================================

"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;


That same law - same chapter



"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31


Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.




Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,

Thou shalt not commit adultery,

Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,

Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.




Matt 19 -- before the cross. The Commandments of Christ -

16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother; and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

You're right, the only thing that matters is keeping the law. We've no need of Jesus or the cross because it doesn't matter, only the law does.

That must be why Paul said we are delivered form the law (Rom 7:6) and to throw the law out (Gal 4:30).

Paul is such a jerk.

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