What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[Davian]

Remember Matthew 7:6. I've been having trouble remembering myself but am going to put forth real effort to do so.
"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

The word is what is holy, the evidence are the pearls.

To some, the holy and the pearls are stepped on (by utter denial/mockery/deceit/trickery) and you are now "being torn to pieces." You are holding your own for sure but remember there are millions out there willing and needing to hear about God. The ones who blatantly deny/mock/deceive/trick, will not be moved. They have the heart of the pharaoh. I am trying to remember this myself. Take care!

Have you taken the time to examine the "pearls" to see if they are genuine, or man-made?

 

[Davian]

* Religion, like philosophy is in the realm of philosophy.

* I haven't side stepped, you act like an interrogator with the answers already in mind, when you don't get the desired answer you come up with more disingenuous questions.

------->"God can be realized only in the realms of human experience."<--------

That would be the same for things imaginary. Do you not see the problem there?

 

[Davian]

Lol, despite my neutral belief in the manner, I'm not on some alien or ufo forum exclaiming "Aliens are a lie! Show me your proof!"

I have a neutral belief in gods, but the difference is, to the best of my knowledge, those that posit the existence of these hypothetical aliens are not in our governments and school systems, wanting access to our judicial and educational systems, and ultimately, our children.

That would be my motivation for being here, to explore why religionists believe what they believe.

 

[Colter]

That would be the same for things imaginary. Do you not see the problem there?

No, not really. Just because something can be imagined does not discount the real thing.

 

[Colter]

I happened to see this only yesterday. It's not a very convincing argument.

The argument rests on treating the "laws" of nature as something having a separate or transcendent metaphysical reality from physical entities, and then calling the laws of physics "God".

Science does not do anything to support that idea.


eudaimonia,

Mark

I agree, it's more of an observation of a religious scientist, however I do see the impersonal laws of math or physics as originating in God, the master mathematician. I see mind behind the creation of mind.

 

[kristina411]

not in our governments and school systems, wanting access to our judicial and educational systems, and ultimately, our children.

That would be my motivation for being here, to explore why religionists believe what they believe.

God will ALWAYS be in our judicial and educational systems and the only people afraid of their children learning about God, are people who fear religion. Do we see Christians picketing schools for teaching the big bang and evolution? Seems pretty double standard if you ask me.
I have my own pearls, I hold close that which is holy.
We can agree to disagree on this. Take care Davian. God loves you too.

 

[bhsmte]

Cognitive dissonance can be an uncomfortable feeling.

You know how we have So's Law? I am thinking there may be basis for a "lol" law.

 

[bhsmte]

God will ALWAYS be in our judicial and educational systems and the only people afraid of their children learning about God, are people who fear religion. Do we see Christians picketing schools for teaching the big bang and evolution? Seems pretty double standard if you ask me.
I have my own pearls, I hold close that which is holy.
We can agree to disagree on this. Take care Davian. God loves you too.

Some Christians have tried to use legal avenues to impact what is taught in science class. Ever heard of the Dover trial?

Do you often see scientists picketing in front of your church, in regards to what is being taught inside the church?

 

[Loudmouth]

God will ALWAYS be in our judicial and educational systems and the only people afraid of their children learning about God, are people who fear religion.

So you would have no problem if the teacher led a class in an Islamic prayer with praying mats and everything? Would you have a problem with the teacher leading the class in the worship of different pagan gods?

Do we see Christians picketing schools for teaching the big bang and evolution?

Yes.

 

[Davian]

No, not really. Just because something can be imagined does not discount the real thing.

What real thing?

 

[Colter]

What real thing?

Hypothetically speaking, if there was a God who can only be known by personal experience in the high consciousness of the mind, the scenario that you proposed would still apply. A third party would still have no proof.

 

[Davian]

God will ALWAYS be in our judicial and educational systems

Not so much in Canada. You don't have to swear on a bible, and the schools are very secular. In the high school science classes, they did a brief session on creationism, but not to promote it, but to show its faults. I check out all of the textbooks, and see no issues with them.

and the only people afraid of their children learning about God,

Not at all. My children are aware of all the more notable gods, and the topic comes up often - the days of the week, the names of the planets, and the like.

are people who fear religion.

I have no fear of religion. Then again, I do live in one of the most secular parts of the world.

Do we see Christians picketing schools for teaching the big bang and evolution? Seems pretty double standard if you ask me.

How so? Science is not religion.

I have my own pearls, I hold close that which is holy.

And keep from scrutiny.

We can agree to disagree on this. Take care Davian. God loves you too.

Whatever.

 

[xXLoveisGodXx]

I know I'm late in this conversation, and I confess, I did not read all 75 pages of posts. Please let me know if this has been previously stated.
It seems like people are searching for God in all the wrong places. Evidence of Gods existence is all around us.
Jesus said that God is Love. If you can believe this, then the remainder of this conversation will be short.
If,
God is(=) Love
Then
Love is God

The evidence for Love's existence is everywhere. He lives in all our hearts, Christian, Muslim, Hebrew, catholic, and even the hearts of atheists.
I think a better question is this, Can anyone deny the existence of Love?

 

[Davian]

Hypothetically speaking, if there was a God who can only be known by personal experience in the high consciousness of the mind, the scenario that you proposed would still apply. A third party would still have no proof.

Then, for everyone else in the world, there is no difference between the god you describe and one that is entirely imaginary. Correct?

 

[Colter]

Then, for everyone else in the world, there is no difference between the god you describe and one that is entirely imaginary. Correct?

I don't know what an imaginary God is like so I have no way to compare. Generally speaking, that would be a God created in mans own image.

 

[Davian]

I don't know what an imaginary God is like so I have no way to compare. Generally speaking, that would be a God created in mans own image.

Over at Godchecker.com, they have "nearly four thousand weird and wonderful Gods, Supreme Beings, Demons, Spirits and Fabulous Beasts from all over the world."

Do you think them all real, or do you think of some of them as imaginary? Check it out.

Godchecker.com - Your Guide To The Gods

 

[Eudaimonist]

Can anyone deny the existence of Love?

If you are defining "Love" as God, then I don't believe in Love.

I do believe in the existence of love, however.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Gottservant]

If you are defining "Love" as God, then I don't believe in Love.

I do believe in the existence of love, however.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Thankyou.

Now, consider.

 

[Colter]

Over at Godchecker.com, they have "nearly four thousand weird and wonderful Gods, Supreme Beings, Demons, Spirits and Fabulous Beasts from all over the world."

Do you think them all real, or do you think of some of them as imaginary? Check it out.

Godchecker.com - Your Guide To The Gods

Primitive evolutionary deity concepts are the result of the stimulating drive of the spirit of worship. These God concepts, as diverse and erroneous as they may ultimately be, serve as the scaffolding within evolved religion for the emerging superstructure of the final realization of the living God of eternal love. The faintest flicker of faith in the crudest deity concept is all that is required for salvation.

That's a funny site. How many different kinds of Atheist are their?

 

[Davian]

Primitive evolutionary deity concepts are the result of the stimulating drive of the spirit of worship.
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Why should I accept your opinion on that?