What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[bhsmte]

When you are ready for actual productive discussion I am here.

Productive discussion can occur, when there is a clear path to follow and fewer contradictions.

 

[JGG]

You did not answer my question, how did I "condemn" you?

I do understand why there are skeptics as I outlined in the text you quoted.

These are both a thread, and a post condemning skeptics for requiring evidence. Condemning us because your testimony should be enough.

 

[kristina411]

These are both a thread, and a post condemning skeptics for requiring evidence. Condemning us because your testimony should be enough.

My post says even your testimony is not enough for you

I do not condemn, merely state the facts and because you do not agree you say I am condemning. I thought that is what us Christians do?

 

[JGG]

My post says even your testimony is not enough for you

My testimony? What is my testimony?

I do not condemn, merely state the facts and because you do not agree you say I am condemning. I thought that is what us Christians do?

Which fact have you stated that I have not agreed with?

 

[kristina411]

My testimony? What is my testimony?



Which fact have you stated that I have not agreed with?

My entire post was based on facts.
Your testimony are the miracles you see but scramble your brain for scientific reasons, which fall short in answering anything with certainty (but provide temporary comfort) because God is the answer.
Now back to my question, how have I condemned you?

 

[Davian]

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You are just proving my point. That skeptics will find fault no matter what the evidence shows.

Have you tried independently verifiable evidence, presented in the form of a testable, falsifiable hypothesis, with robust definitions?

 

[kristina411]

Have you tried independently verifiable evidence, presented in the form of a testable, falsifiable hypothesis, with robust definitions?

Lol I thought I already made it clear I would no longer participate in a regressive argument?

 

[Loudmouth]

You are just proving my point. That skeptics will find fault no matter what the evidence shows.

Let's say you meet a friend for coffee. That friend tells you that they are excited because they are in a new relationship. When you ask for a picture of this new significant other, they say that they actually don't have any pictures of this person they are in a relationship with. In fact, you are told that no camera can take a picture of this person. On top of that, you are then told that this new person they are in a relationship with is invisible, and can only be heard by your friend.

Would you accept this as evidence that your friend was in a relationship? This is the same evidence, or lack thereof, that we are given for the claim that christians are in a relationship with Jesus.

 

[JGG]

My entire post was based on facts.

Name one.

Your testimony are the miracles you see but scramble your brain for scientific reasons, which fall short in answering anything with certainty (but provide temporary comfort) because God is the answer.

And you see aliens and UFOs all around you, you have even seen video evidence, and heard testimony but your Terran mind cannot fathom them. Is that a reasonable explanation.

Now back to my question, how have I condemned you?

I just answered that.

 

[variant]

Well, here, you could take the 12 steps, just change step one. Many hopelessly lost people of all types find God by doing this:


1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.


2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.


3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.


4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.


5.Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.


6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.


7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.


8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.


9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.


10.Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.


11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.


12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Seems like your methods all start with concluding that God exists in order to conclude it exists....

12 steps would require I feel more depraved and immoral I think. I've generally improved my moral condition after leaving the faith though thank you very much.

 

[bhsmte]

My entire post was based on facts.
Your testimony are the miracles you see but scramble your brain for scientific reasons, which fall short in answering anything with certainty (but provide temporary comfort) because God is the answer.
Now back to my question, how have I condemned you?

Wow!

Where did you learn your mind reading skills?

 

[kristina411]

Productive discussion can occur, when there is a clear path to follow and fewer contradictions.

I agree
So I consider page 29, comment 296 of the "evidence" thread where you stated:
"If I witnessed it with my own eyes and was confident I was not hallucinating. A video of the event, that clearly shows what the neighbor says occurred.

To a lessor degree, I would also give it a bit of credence, if a whole bunch of neighbors came forward and stated they witnessed the whole thing and they all presented similar stories and I knew them to be reliable people"
So directing back to my post about evidence, eye witness accounts, and personal experience not enough...
If you do not contradict yourself than you must:
1. Believe in aliens since there is "actual footage"
2. Not be skeptical of those who believe they have spoken to God since it is their experience and if you can believe your own eyes, my eyes are just as reliable no? Or any person who is currently in a psych hospital because they believe they saw God
3. Give "credence" to the millions before who give witness to God

Unless of course somehow you are confused?

 

[Loudmouth]

Seems like your methods all start with concluding that God exists in order to conclude it exists....

That would be the one step program.

12 steps would require I feel more depraved and immoral I think. I've generally improved my moral condition after leaving the faith though thank you very much.

There is no doubt that social networks and moral support have helped recovering addicts greatly. What we need to help people understand is that religion is not a required part of that support network.

 

[Loudmouth]

I agree
So I consider page 29, comment 296 of the "evidence" thread where you stated:
"If I witnessed it with my own eyes and was confident I was not hallucinating. A video of the event, that clearly shows what the neighbor says occurred.

To a lessor degree, I would also give it a bit of credence, if a whole bunch of neighbors came forward and stated they witnessed the whole thing and they all presented similar stories and I knew them to be reliable people"
So directing back to my post about evidence, eye witness accounts, and personal experience not enough...
If you do not contradict yourself than you must:
1. Believe in aliens since there is "actual footage"
2. Not be skeptical of those who believe they have spoken to God since it is their experience and if you can believe your own eyes, my eyes are just as reliable no? Or any person who is currently in a psych hospital because they believe they saw God
3. Give "credence" to the millions before who give witness to God

Unless of course somehow you are confused?

No one is claiming to see God, take video footage of God, or witness God moving about. Your comparison doesn't work.

 

[kristina411]

Wow!

Where did you learn your mind reading skills?

I see.
You can not give me an answer on how I "condemned" you. How about from here on out we make no accusations without at least something to back them up?

 

[kristina411]

No one is claiming to see God, take video footage of God, or witness God moving about. Your comparison doesn't work.

Lol re read my original post where I said that the evidence would not be accepted if it existed. And it does. You see footage of miracles every day but skeptics scramble their brains to find reason.

Many people are in mental health clinics because they claim to have seen God. Read into it. Its rather fascinating.

I am a witness, every Christian on this board is witness.

But its not enough. It will never be enough, because God chose it to be so.

 

[Davian]

Have you tried independently verifiable evidence, presented in the form of a testable, falsifiable hypothesis, with robust definitions?

Lol I thought I already made it clear I would no longer participate in a regressive argument?

That would be "no", then? Perhaps you should revise your assertion.

 

[JGG]

I see.
You can not give me an answer on how I "condemned" you. How about from here on out we make no accusations without at least something to back them up?

Is that directed at me? Is your "Evidence" thread, and posts on here, not meant to rebuke, or sharply criticize those who demand evidence of God? What was its purpose?

Still haven't seen your reply: UFOs, yay or nay?

 

[bhsmte]

Unless of course somehow you are confused?

Yes, reading and making sense of the contradictions you impose on yourself, is confusing.

 

[bhsmte]

I see.
You can not give me an answer on how I "condemned" you. How about from here on out we make no accusations without at least something to back them up?

When did I say you condemned me, do you have a post #?