What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[Freodin]

No, you have a deep faith and devotion to Godless ideals.

While it may be said that we both have belief, which is inescapable for everyone, our beliefs are diametrically opposed to each other. We have NOTHING in common other than the fact of belief.

But yes, that is why I call the purposive promotion of atheism the "doctrines of doubt." Atheism is a belief, as yet unproven.

Oh, I love how you encourage my new found faith!

Here I am, realizing that I have already found God after all... and you go on and mock and attack me!

Is that how you deal with people you have a theological difference with?

 

[Colter]

"If you are doing right, then you will agree with me."

That's not a very convincing argument.

That's not what I said but in the typical dishonest way you reframe what I said. You have to because you cannot or will not search for God with all of your soul and all of your heart.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's not what I said . . .

Yes, it is. You are telling us that we need to "truly seek". You are the one who gets to define what truly seeking is, which usually requires that we agree with you before you approve our seeking methods.

 

[Colter]

Again, you are just making an unsupported assumption.

Again you are defaulting to intellectual gymnastics to avoid the truth of what I said. It is supported by those who have done it, you haven't.

 

[Colter]

Oh, I love how you encourage my new found faith!

Here I am, realizing that I have already found God after all... and you go on and mock and attack me!

Is that how you deal with people you have a theological difference with?

Like dealing with the mind of a child. We are all done here now.

 

[Loudmouth]

Again you are defaulting to intellectual gymnastics to avoid the truth of what I said. It is supported by those who have done it, you haven't.

Once again, you start with the result. Many of us have truly seeked God, and we found no God. The only reason that you reject our conclusion is that we don't agree with you. That's it.

 

[Colter]

Yes, it is. You are telling us that we need to "truly seek". You are the one who gets to define what truly seeking is, which usually requires that we agree with you before you approve our seeking methods.

Again, you create a straw man and fight with him. If you were a sincere person who sought God on your own you can find him entirely apart form anything to do with me.....but because you aren't going to do that you have to come up with excuses by falsely accusing me claiming that I have laid out some specific doctrinal path bla bla bla.

 

[Loudmouth]

Again, you create a straw man and fight with him. If you were a sincere person who sought God on your own you can find him entirely apart form anything to do with me.....but because you aren't going to do that you have to come up with excuses by falsely accusing me claiming that I have laid out some specific doctrinal path bla bla bla.

That is exactly what I am talking about.

I did sincerely seek God. I didn't find God. You will dismiss my testimony simply because it doesn't agree with you.

 

[Davian]

No, you have a deep faith and devotion to Godless ideals.

What is a 'godless ideal'?

While it may be said that we both have belief, which is inescapable for everyone,

Not at all, for myself. My beliefs have changed over time, even dramatically, given new information and facts. It's just not a conscious choice.

our beliefs are diametrically opposed to each other. We have NOTHING in common other than the fact of belief.

You mean, lack of belief.

But yes, that is why I call the purposive promotion of atheism the "doctrines of doubt." Atheism is a belief, as yet unproven.

Then allow me to call theism the "belief in things imaginary", a description that does comport with reality.

 

[Colter]

That is exactly what I am talking about.

I did sincerely seek God. I didn't find God. You will dismiss my testimony simply because it doesn't agree with you.

Try again Loudmouth, try again.

 

[Freodin]

That is exactly what I am talking about.

I did sincerely seek God. I didn't find God. You will dismiss my testimony simply because it doesn't agree with you.

Not only that.... if you tell him that you just found God, he will start to mock you!

 

[Loudmouth]

Try again Loudmouth, try again.

You just proved my point.

 

[Colter]

You just proved my point.

What is the point that you are trying to prove? I know plenty of people who began their search and did not find God right away to their satisfaction. You seem to be saying "I tried, he wasn't there, therefore it can't be, and now I'm going after others who claim to have found God". Is that it? You certainly actively attempt to undermine others so you are content with the Godless idea????

 

[variant]

Again you are defaulting to intellectual gymnastics to avoid the truth of what I said. It is supported by those who have done it, you haven't.

That there are people who believe does not support your assertion that everyone to sincerely tries to will.

That is just, as I said, an unsupported assertion.

There aren't any gymnastics required to know that you are simply assuming your position to be true.

 

[Loudmouth]

What is the point that you are trying to prove?

That you ignore the methodology altogether. If someone disagrees with you, you proclaim that they must have done it wrong without even considering what they did.

I know plenty of people who began their search and did not find God right away to their satisfaction. You seem to be saying "I tried, he wasn't there, therefore it can't be, and now I'm going after others who claim to have found God". Is that it? You certainly actively attempt to undermine others so you are content with the Godless idea????

I do try to actively undermine the deleterious effects of religion on our society. One of them is the pervasive attitude that atheists really do believe in God, but just don't want to admit it, or other silly arguments that try to degrade people who don't believe as christians do.

I know plenty of people who are very open to the existence of God, but are still atheists. Myself being one of them. However, the more people I meet like you the more I am convinced that religion is wholly man made. Every time I see the phrase "God says", guess what I read? The words of a man pretending to be God.

 

[Colter]

That there are people who believe does not support your assertion that everyone to sincerely tries to will.

That is just, as I said, an unsupported assertion.

Then sit there in your littler box collecting excuses for inaction.

 

[bhsmte]

That you ignore the methodology altogether. If someone disagrees with you, you proclaim that they must have done it wrong without even considering what they did.

Of course he does. He has to convince himself that he is right, to feel better about his personal belief. With so many others not agreeing with him on Gods and or religion, what other option does he have but to say they have it wrong?

 

[Colter]

That you ignore the methodology altogether. If someone disagrees with you, you proclaim that they must have done it wrong without even considering what they did.



I do try to actively undermine the deleterious effects of religion on our society. One of them is the pervasive attitude that atheists really do believe in God, but just don't want to admit it, or other silly arguments that try to degrade people who don't believe as christians do.

I know plenty of people who are very open to the existence of God, but are still atheists. Myself being one of them. However, the more people I meet like you the more I am convinced that religion is wholly man made. Every time I see the phrase "God says", guess what I read? The words of a man pretending to be God.

Alright Loudmouth, suit yourself.

 

[variant]

Then sit there in your littler box collecting excuses for inaction.

Actions such as?

 

[kristina411]

I have said the same thing through pm to another poster but I ask this, in consideration of evidence:
For those who say they would need video or photo evidence, if that is the case do you believe aliens exist? There have been countless "actual footage" videos that support UFOs. Knowing they could be forged would be just another excuse for skeptics, just like ufo/alien footage that had been edited

For those who would require speaking to God in person as your evidence, do you call the people who claim to have spoken to God themselves "delusional" or "hallucinating"? So for God to speak to you, you must be delusional or halucinating.

For those who would require witness from a trusted person, if millions are witness every day and have been for thousands of years, that should be just as trustworthy.

It has been twisted in such a way that evidence will never be satisfactory to everyone, because God wants us to have faith, not be forced to believe. He wants us to go to Him because we desire to, not because the evidence pointed us to Him, and we have to obey because we have evidence. He wants us to obey because we want to.

The evidence will never be sufficient so long as someone is constantly looking for fault. God has designed it to be so and it is repeated that we should not seek proof. There is just cause for this.

One thing to add, since there have been skeptics for thousands of years, with no luck (not happening)