What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[Archaeopteryx]

You seem like a kind person to me Mark, intelligent and all that, it's the issue of promoting your anti-Christian beliefs or doctrine. "There was war in heaven", it's an ideological war that spilled over onto earth in Lucifer's rebellion, you and I are on opposing sides. It may seem harmless to you and uber progressive, but it's really a mater of life and death. You are much more than "neutral" so spare me the shame bait~

Isaiah saw this thousands of years ago: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…"

Isaiah foretold the writing of the Urantia Book?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

It takes a person of extraordinary arrogance to claim that the billions of people who have had and are having a spiritual connection with what they call God is really just a persons imagination.

Why, when theists do it all the time to other theists?

For me, half the stuff I heard in church was stupid! I could see things didn't square, but science just speeds up the mortality of false God concepts, false histories. What emerges is the true God of the spirit.

North Korea and other Atheist utopias are going really well. You thinks imperfect religion is bad? Wait until you eliminate the fabric of civilized society then get back to us.

I'm not convinced that religion is the fabric of civilised society. In many cases, the opposite is true.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I don't need atheist play books when I have your own posts.

In the past I've shown posts like Colters to Christians to illustrate the kinds of behaviors that I unfortunately see quite frequently. They're almost always appalled, and in more than one occasion led those people down the road to eventual deconversion.

It's ironic when the strongest supporters of something inadvertently become tools against it...

 

[Davian]

Yes, Jesus Christ.

Can you name one person that can demonstrate that God is just a product of mans imagination?

I only know him as "Colter".

 

[Eudaimonist]

I remember stuff like that, it was within the last couple of months.

I have never wanted to "eliminate Christianity". I have never taken that line at any message boards to my knowledge. You may be confusing me with someone else, or had misunderstood something I had said.

You should read my posts in the thread that variant had dug up.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7861266-5/#post66921622


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

In the past I've shown posts like Colters to Christians to illustrate the kinds of behaviors that I unfortunately see quite frequently. They're almost always appalled, and in more than one occasion led those people down the road to eventual deconversion.

It's ironic when the strongest supporters of something inadvertently become tools against it...

If someone's faith in God is so undecided and neurotically codependent as to be swayed by an internet post of "Colters" into deconversion then they have more problems than me. But I get that your playing to the audience, maybe they will invite you to the annual Wounded Atheist of Christian Forums roundup as a guest speaker?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If someone's faith in God is so undecided and neurotically codependent as to be swayed by an internet post of "Colters" into deconversion then they have more problems than me. But I get that your playing to the audience, maybe they will invite you to the annual Wounded Atheist of Christian Forums roundup as a guest speaker?

I hope you understand that you taking jabs at strawmen atheists in no way "wounds" us. We are just on the sidelines watching you bravely take down strawmen.

 

[Colter]

I have never wanted to "eliminate Christianity". I have never taken that line at any message boards to my knowledge. You may be confusing me with someone else, or had misunderstood something I had said.

You should read my posts in the thread that variant had dug up.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7861266-5/#post66921622


eudaimonia,

Mark

I saw that, it was on a thread entitled "IF you have to destroy/eliminate one religion... what would it be?" But that wasn't it. There was a post that you deleted, maybe that was it?

 

[Colter]

I hope you understand that you taking jabs at strawmen atheists in no way "wounds" us. We are just on the sidelines watching you bravely take down strawmen.

Yes, I can tell it has no effect at all! Besides, a terminal form of uniqueness or special case-ness is common within the, not so complex ego of the rebellious atheist type.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes, I can tell it has no effect at all! Besides, a terminal form of uniqueness or special case-ness is common within the, not so complex ego of the rebellious atheist type.

As a psychologist, I find some believers' psychological guesswork to be quite... interesting.

 

[Eudaimonist]

There was a post that you deleted, maybe that was it?

I'm not of the view that I want to eliminate Christianity. I don't know what it is that you are remembering or misremembering.

I have said many times at this board that I'm not an anti-theist.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

I'm not of the view that I want to eliminate Christianity. I don't know what it is that you are remembering or misremembering.

I have said many times at this board that I'm not an anti-theist.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Ok Mark, fair enough. Would you like to dissuade people away from Christianity and into whatever your atheistic approach is?

* If not then why?


* If so then why?

 

[Freodin]

I'm not of the view that I want to eliminate Christianity. I don't know what it is that you are remembering or misremembering.

I have said many times at this board that I'm not an anti-theist.


eudaimonia,

Mark

You are lying! Because that's what subversive totalitarian atheistic rebels do!

Interesting sidenote: in a different thread, I just made a post about the value of evidence in legal procedings... accusations.

Here we are presented with two different claims: Colter says you did say that... you say you didn't.

He could end this simply by presenting his evidence. He cannot. On the other hand, you cannot present any evidence... to show that you never did say that would be almost impossible. (Especially if you really deleted the post.)

But let's look at other pieces of evidence. I can say from my own experience that making a statement as claimed would be totally out of character for Mark.
On the other hand I can say from my own experience that it is not unknown that the accuser often misrepresents the position of his opponents.

I know where my judgement would go.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Ok Mark, fair enough. Would you like to dissuade people away from Christianity and into whatever your atheistic approach is?

* If not then why?


* If so then why?

I won't speak for Mark, since he can answer for himself, but deconverting believers is not one of my primary goals.

 

[quatona]

I won't speak for Mark, since he can answer for himself, but deconverting believers is not one of my primary goals.

You are not a TrueAtheist, then.

 

[Colter]

As a psychologist, I find some believers' psychological guesswork to be quite... interesting.

You are welcome and I'm assuming the humanistic classification is free?


"Theology is always the study of your religion; the study of another’s religion is psychology."UB

 

[Freodin]

Like Archaeopteryx, I won't speak for Mark.

Personally, I rather want Christians to persuade me to Christianity (or, for reasons of equality, any other kind of theist to their respective theistic position.)

It is just that they do a really bad job at it.

 

[Colter]

You are lying! Because that's what subversive totalitarian atheistic rebels do!

Interesting sidenote: in a different thread, I just made a post about the value of evidence in legal procedings... accusations.

Here we are presented with two different claims: Colter says you did say that... you say you didn't.

He could end this simply by presenting his evidence. He cannot. On the other hand, you cannot present any evidence... to show that you never did say that would be almost impossible. (Especially if you really deleted the post.)

But let's look at other pieces of evidence. I can say from my own experience that making a statement as claimed would be totally out of character for Mark.
On the other hand I can say from my own experience that it is not unknown that the accuser often misrepresents the position of his opponents.

I know where my judgement would go.

And I would say that my opponents aren't honest with themselves about their own motives, they suffer from self delusion and then fane "shock" when someone dare call them out as antagonists on a Christian forum for insulting believers in every clever way.

Its ironic and revealing just how sensitive you guys are to my post to Mark about how I recalled him saying that he wants to "eliminate Christianity" when all of you are more or less engaged in undermining the faith of anyone. "Oh gasp, we atheist are so offended that you would ever suggest that we would be critical of religion or want to diminish it in any way. Quick, lets search all Marks post, this may be a violation of the atheist codes of naturally appearing ethics."

 

[quatona]

Considering that there are plenty of posts from Mark demonstrably saying the opposite, even if there had been one single post in which he had said it and then deleted it (which I find hard to believe, but oh well), referring to this statement as Mark´s position witnesses of a remarkably selective perception.

 

[Colter]

Like Archaeopteryx, I won't speak for Mark.

Personally, I rather want Christians to persuade me to Christianity (or, for reasons of equality, any other kind of theist to their respective theistic position.)

It is just that they do a really bad job at it.

That dog won't hunt! I don't believe you at all, I think you use the imperfections of the explanations of finite minds about their experiences with the infinite mind as an excuse not to go seek God one on one yourself. Or maybe Archaeopteryx could psychoanalyze me and conclude that because that was once true of me, I project onto you motives that are misdiagnosed and in truth you are just a lovable little fuzz-ball who really just wants so much to understand. Psychological projection was conceptualised by Freud.