What Would Evidence for God's Existence Be Like?

[Freodin]

Truth, beauty and goodness.

So, when will you start pursuing these values?

 

[Colter]

Case in point:

That's a nice looking girl in your photo, do you only focus on her flaws like you do religion or do you appreciate the positive aspects of her existence?

I see plenty of flaws in religion, in the Bible, it's to be expected where humans are involved. But you seem to have made a religion out of doubt.

 

[stevevw]

I only ever seem to debate theists who insist that I am in some way intellectually obligated to share their theological commitments. There are some theists who acknowledge that it is not unreasonable for others to not believe as they do. See my recent exchange with cedric as an example. Our conversation did not take the form of a debate. It didn't need to.

I think I seen some of that. Well you cant make anyone do anything they dont want to. In fact trying to only turns them off. But everyone should have the right to have their opinion and no one should put others down for what they believe. Even if it is different to your own and you feel they are wrong.

 

[Colter]

So, when will you start pursuing these values?

I already do and have found much truth, beauty and goodness. IN Atheism I find the acme of ugliness.

 

[bhsmte]

I think I seen some of that. Well you cant make anyone do anything they dont want to. In fact trying to only turns them off. But everyone should have the right to have their opinion and no one should put others down for what they believe. Even if it is different to your own and you feel they are wrong.

I agree.

You can't make someone do something they don't want to do and you also, can't make some people believe something, if they can not reconcile in their own mind, the belief is legitimate.

No one should put another person down personally, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out weakness in arguments.

 

[Freodin]

I already do and have found much truth, beauty and goodness.

Ah, you have found much truth, beauty and goodness!

Do you think it good that you try to keep all these treasures hidden, or do you think you might want to start acting on these values?

 

[Freodin]

I think I seen some of that. Well you cant make anyone do anything they dont want to. In fact trying to only turns them off. But everyone should have the right to have their opinion and no one should put others down for what they believe. Even if it is different to your own and you feel they are wrong.

Could you dedicate this post to our urantian friend over there, please?

 

[bhsmte]

I already do and have found much truth, beauty and goodness. IN Atheism I find the acme of ugliness.

Good thing for you, you are not an atheist then.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I already do and have found much truth, beauty and goodness. IN Atheism I find the acme of ugliness.

I tend to find much ugliness in religion, and much truth, beauty, and goodness in some atheistic philosophies.

I think that most people, whether atheist or theist, seek truth, beauty, and goodness. We just tend to see these things differently.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That's a nice looking girl in your photo, do you only focus on her flaws like you do religion or do you appreciate the positive aspects of her existence?

That girl is Chiana, from Farscape:

She has many admirable qualities, but she is not flawless. She has a proclivity for theft, for example.

Asking me whether I appreciate the positive aspects of a fictional character might not have been the best example for you to go with...

I see plenty of flaws in religion, in the Bible, it's to be expected where humans are involved. But you seem to have made a religion out of doubt.

How so?

 

[Colter]

Ah, you have found much truth, beauty and goodness!

Do you think it good that you try to keep all these treasures hidden, or do you think you might want to start acting on these values?

We do share them in out lives, in our faith community. But we see the futility in casting our pearls before swine as Jesus had so wisely affirmed.

 

[Colter]

That girl is Chiana, from Farscape:

She has many admirable qualities, but she is not flawless. She has a proclivity for theft, for example.

Asking me whether I appreciate the positive aspects of a fictional character might not have been the best example for you to go with...



How so?

I just assumed she was your lady, half of an avatar confused me. Anyway, if you missed the point, the creature may crave perfection but only the creator possesses it. You've made it a practice of picking flaws with religion and the attempts of religionist to share their inner God experience with you.

 

[Colter]

I tend to find much ugliness in religion, and much truth, beauty, and goodness in some atheistic philosophies.

I think that most people, whether atheist or theist, seek truth, beauty, and goodness. We just tend to see these things differently.


eudaimonia,

Mark

To find truth, beauty and goodness in atheism is a form of cosmic insanity first proposed by Lucifer who invested so much of his mischief making pride in his manifesto that he couldn't possibly turn back. The doctrine of doubt is an investment in death as the final accomplishment of life.

 

[Eudaimonist]

To find truth, beauty and goodness in atheism is a form of cosmic insanity first proposed by Lucifer who invested so much of his mischief making pride in his manifesto that he couldn't possibly turn back. The doctrine of doubt is an investment in death as the final accomplishment of life.

You've given a good example of the ugliness I mentioned in your distorted views on atheism.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[stevevw]

Could you dedicate this post to our urantian friend over there, please?

I think it is something this site and most modern free countries have as their policy. That doesn't mean that everyone will follow this. But one thing I have learnt working in the community sector is 1) you cant assume anything about anyone by their looks or what you have heard. 2) No matter what others believe or what their race, religion, lifestyle, culture, gender, age is they all have the right to equal access, opportunity to the same service as anyone else not matter what I personally believe or think. Its hard sometimes when you disagree with them or they may want to do or say something totally wrong. I can point out the possible consequences but I cant stop them from doing what they do if it doesn't affect others. Or even themselves as this is a legal requirement under a duty of care. But everyone should get a fair go and you shouldn't ridicule others just because they are different or you disagree with their point of view or beliefs for that matter. This is what makes us all different.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I just assumed she was your lady, half of an avatar confused me. Anyway, if you missed the point, the creature may crave perfection but only the creator possesses it. You've made it a practice of picking flaws with religion and the attempts of religionist to share their inner God experience with you.

As discussed in our previous exchange, there is no shortage of religionists eager to share their theology with us. Few seem willing to have it critically examined however.

 

[Colter]

You've given a good example of the ugliness I mentioned in your distorted views on atheism.


eudaimonia,

Mark

You seem like a kind person to me Mark, intelligent and all that, it's the issue of promoting your anti-Christian beliefs or doctrine. "There was war in heaven", it's an ideological war that spilled over onto earth in Lucifer's rebellion, you and I are on opposing sides. It may seem harmless to you and uber progressive, but it's really a mater of life and death. You are much more than "neutral" so spare me the shame bait~

Isaiah saw this thousands of years ago: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…"

 

[Colter]

As discussed in our previous exchange, there is no shortage of religionists eager to share their theology with us. Few seem willing to have it critically examined however.

But you already know that religionist can't provide definitive proof of the God they know in spirit, so there is something very disingenuine about this supposedly innocent desire to critically examine someone's faith.

 

[bhsmte]

And now the preaching begins.

 

[Colter]

And now the preaching begins.

You knew what you signed up for, the bible may be mentioned on a Christian forum.