Would you consider the fact that people went around claiming Mohammad ascended to heaven as evidence that something great had happened? Or do you pick and choose which testimonies you choose to believe.
I dont know enough about the religion and Qu'ran to be able to say either way. But just because another religion makes claims doesn't discount the bibles claims. The one thing I know is that Mohammad doesn't have much credibility from what I understand in what he had done compared to Jesus. But Mohammad was a man and not a God. He is said to have ascended into heaven for a very brief moment. Some say this was just a dream and not real. But he ended up dying here on earth and is buried here in a grave.
Also Islam and Mohammad believe Jesus was real and that He didn't die. He was replaced by someone else and they were crucified instead. Jesus is still alive and will return. Islam was formed 600 years after Jesus and seems to adopt a lot of the Jewish beliefs. People say that it is basically the same original religion but was changed later by Mohammad who was a man. So as you can see Mohummad changes known facts about Christianity and therefore is undermining itself for any credibility. It is said that Mohammad had these dreams and then convulsed and had fits like he was processed by an evil spirit. He was never claimed to be a God and was a man who claimed certain things. There are no witnesses and everything comes from this one man. So as you can see Mohummad changes known facts about Christianity and therefore is undermining itself for any credibility.
How do you know they werent exposed liars? Exposing a liar rarely stops them from lying.
They were making these claims which were well known. The Romans or the Jewish high priests who all had high status in society never denied this or even challenged that the tomb was not empty. They just made an excuse for why it was empty. Logic tells you they wouldnt be lying. It is taking things to rediculous levels to say that they concoted all these stories. Even later skeptics like the Jews wrote in the Talmud and other Roman writers state that at least the Christians were making these claims about Jesus. So the disciples were saying these things. It just has to be decided whether they were lying or not. But if they were lying then it seems crazy that many would knowingly go to their death based on that lie. Not people who came across as rational and normal in everything else they did. If they didn't know they were lying and it was some sort of mass delusion it seems strange that many in different times and places would have the same illusions and it was maintained throughout all that time and not found out or exposed by anyone.
Perhaps the Jews were telling the truth and the disciples were lying.
Well like I said the Romans put guards on the Tomb and ensured no one tampered with it. It would seem hard to believe that they did take the body that in all this time no stories of other graves, or hidden bodies or rumors have surfaced. Just an unsubstantiated claim that the body was stolen. Then there are the many sightings of Jesus from witnesses. The thing is the empty tomb, the resurrection of Jesus and His appearance are all part of the core Christian religion. The Jews and Romans would have done anything to discredit this and stop the story because it was fueling the Christian growth. The disciples and witnesses to Jesus would not have been able to maintain an empty Tomb and then state that Jesus had risen if the tomb wasn't really empty and there was some alternative truth that someone stole his body and it was all a lie. It wouldn't have persisted and someone would have exposed it for a lie.
Historians also mention the ascension of Mohammad into heaven is a part of Muslim belief! But that hasnt stopped you from denying it actually happened now has it.
I have already explained how this is not the same. No witnesses,, Mohammad is a man who had a dream, he is buried here on earth, he uses much of the Christian faith and discredits known facts about Jesus, he has a suspect past such as marrying a 9 year old girl ect.
There is nothing strange about stealing a dead body and burying it elsewhere in order to create a hoax that supports an agenda they've invested much of their lives into.
There is no evidence, not even a possible alternative sight or a story about the theft of a body at that time. No one gives any detail but just an accusation that the body was stolen to explain the empty tomb. The one thing this does is show the tomb was empty. The High priest had to come up with something to counter the claims that Jesus had risen to stop the Christians. Its just a desperate attempt to counter how the tomb could have been empty.
Jesus was crucified by the Romans. It is said the Romans were known for keeping detailed records of the events of their day, records that exist even to this day. If one of their many victims of crucifixion actually rose from the dead; dont cha think they would have mentioned it?
No thats the point there are many records from that time missing. There are no records of many crucifixtions. There are no records of many high ranking Romans or important events that happened in those times. Plus the crucifixion of Jesus was not as great an event in the eyes of secular society. It was only big to Christians. The Romans would want to erase anything about Jesus and his followers as this was what was fueling the growth. They destroyed all things and this culminated in the destruction of the temple and all the materials written materials associated with it.
[FONT="]People like the founders of Stoicism and Epicureanism; their writings were part of every educated Romans libraries and had followers (like Christianity) in every major city. So there must be thousands of copies of their writings? No. Apart from three letters of Epicurus almost nothing.[/FONT]
Early Reviews of Richard Carrier’s On The Historicity of Jesus Christ
This looks like evidence that the body WAS stolen!
Ken
Like I said this is the claim they make to explain the empty tomb. All they had to do was come up with some proof, but they couldn't as there was no body anywhere. If the body was stolen then the Christians have perpetrated one of the greatest hoaxes and have fooled absolutely everyone for over 2000 years. But if there was the slightest of evidence then the Jews and Romans would have found it as it was in their interest to stop this from developing the very thing they were trying to snuff out in the first place.
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