Resurrected body of Jesus

[PurpleRabbit187]

Hello everyone. A thought came across my mind today. In all four of the gospels we see the resurrected Jesus no longer confined to time and space, he can move into walls, appear and disappear from one place to the other. I then assume that our resurrected bodies will be able to do the same or is this just simply a mystery?

 

[PurpleRabbit187]

Also, why is it that adam and eve's bodies were not able to do this before the fall?

 

[sdowney717]

We shall all (that is believers) be changed.

Adam and Eve did not have glorified bodies.
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


I john 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

 

[graceandpeace]

It's a mystery. We'll be changed & put on the imperishable. Death has no more sting. (Read 1 Corinthians 15)

 

[StephanieSomer]

Adam and Eve did not have glorified bodies.

I'm not so sure on that point. There is the thought that they didn't recognize their nakedness before the fall because they were glorified.

Peter, James, and John went up the mount of transfiguration with Christ and were privileged to see Christ's glorified body which was normally veiled to everyone. Christ had this body before He was resurrected. Now, in Romans, Paul refers to Christ as the "second Adam". That implies that Adam was fully capable of providing the same salvation that Christ did, but he failed to do so, which was his sin. Adam's sin was different from Eve's. Scripture never calls it "Adam and Eve's sin", but simply "Adam's sin". Eve was deceived. Adam KNEW what he was doing.

And it was after he committed his sin that they became aware of their nakedness. I would postulate that Adam did indeed have a body just as Christ did before His resurrection, and that it was not veiled.

 

[sdowney717]

I'm not so sure on that point. There is the thought that they didn't recognize their nakedness before the fall because they were glorified.

Peter, James, and John went up the mount of transfiguration with Christ and were privileged to see Christ's glorified body which was normally veiled to everyone. Christ had this body before He was resurrected. Now, in Romans, Paul refers to Christ as the "second Adam". That implies that Adam was fully capable of providing the same salvation that Christ did, but he failed to do so, which was his sin. Adam's sin was different from Eve's. Scripture never calls it "Adam and Eve's sin", but simply "Adam's sin". Eve was deceived. Adam KNEW what he was doing.

And it was after he committed his sin that they became aware of their nakedness. I would postulate that Adam did indeed have a body just as Christ did before His resurrection, and that it was not veiled.

Recall though this of what God tells them about their bodies

Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”

 

[StephanieSomer]

As was Christ's pre-resurrection body.

 

[Standing Up]

I'm not so sure on that point. There is the thought that they didn't recognize their nakedness before the fall because they were glorified.
Peter, James, and John went up the mount of transfiguration with Christ and were privileged to see Christ's glorified body which was normally veiled to everyone. Christ had this body before He was resurrected. Now, in Romans, Paul refers to Christ as the "second Adam". That implies that Adam was fully capable of providing the same salvation that Christ did, but he failed to do so, which was his sin. Adam's sin was different from Eve's. Scripture never calls it "Adam and Eve's sin", but simply "Adam's sin". Eve was deceived. Adam KNEW what he was doing.

And it was after he committed his sin that they became aware of their nakedness. I would postulate that Adam did indeed have a body just as Christ did before His resurrection, and that it was not veiled.

I've heard that too. It seems to make sense.

 

[Optimax]

We shall all (that is believers) be changed.

Adam and Eve did not have glorified bodies.
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I john 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

This is true.

 

[PurpleRabbit187]

We shall all (that is believers) be changed.

Adam and Eve did not have glorified bodies.
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.


I john 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

I'm inclined to believe what you have said above. Christ was sinless as Adam. Jesus when he came into the world was confined to time and space as we are, yet there remains the mystery of his resurrected body that is released from the confines of time and space.

 

[StephanieSomer]

I'm inclined to believe what you have said above. Christ was sinless as Adam. Jesus when he came into the world was confined to time and space as we are, yet there remains the mystery of his resurrected body that is released from the confines of time and space.

And what of the transfiguration?

 

[PaladinValer]

Our resurrected, same bodies will be healed, repaired, made whole, and transfigured by His grace. They will still be flesh and blood, with all parts as normal, but will be able to do things, or so it seems, not normally done.

Adam and Eve couldn't because they were not transfigured. Now they are, for they await in heaven, being taken there. We however must await the Resurrection.

 

[James Is Back]

Our resurrected, same bodies will be healed, repaired, made whole, and transfigured by His grace. They will still be flesh and blood, with all parts as normal, but will be able to do things, or so it seems, not normally done.

Adam and Eve couldn't because they were not transfigured. Now they are, for they await in heaven, being taken there. We however must await the Resurrection.

Hmmm what would be the point of having flesh and blood if there is no need of it? Not saying you're right or wrong just curious if the new body is perfect there wouldn't be need for a stomach,heart,blood,etc.

 

[PaladinValer]

Hmmm what would be the point of having flesh and blood if there is no need of it? Not saying you're right or wrong just curious if the new body is perfect there wouldn't be need for a stomach,heart,blood,etc.

Because the physical is good. Because the world is redeemed, not destroyed.

In actual, real Christian theology, the world isn't evil. The physical isn't evil. It is good. Gnosticism, Docetism, Manicheanism, etc, were all condemned as heretical because they rejected this.

Jesus is the Incarnation of God the Son. Why would Jesus incarnate as part of creation only to have it destroyed? No; He incarnated so as to redeem.

And Jesus remains Incarnate. He is at the right hand of God the Father with His material body, with all parts normal to it: organs, hair, skin, bone, sinew, muscle, lymph, vessel, cartilage, neuron...the whole package. The Holy Bible tells us this in Acts.

If there is a physical resurrection of the dead, as orthodox, historically-minded Christians are required to believe, then we are so completely. If God created it, it is good, and Jesus Christ was born, lived, suffered, died, descended, was raised, and ascended to redeem that creation.

 

[AnticipateHisComing]

And Jesus remains Incarnate. He is at the right hand of God the Father with His material body, with all parts normal to it: organs, hair, skin, bone, sinew, muscle, lymph, vessel, cartilage, neuron...the whole package. The Holy Bible tells us this in Acts.

Can you post the verses that say as such?

 

[StephanieSomer]

The resurrected Christ demonstrated his complete physical reality by eating a piece of fish in their presence. If He had no internal organs, how could He do this? More importantly, WHY would He eat if there were no point in it? Later after that event, the disciples found Him on the seashore, cooking breakfast. He then asked them to bring some of what THEY had to also cook it for them. Apparently, the breakfast the disciples first saw was for Himself. If He had no ability or desire for eating, His actions would have been illogical.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Also, why is it that adam and eve's bodies were not able to do this before the fall?

I recall a passage (that may already have been quoted) that says Adam was a living soul but Jesus a quickened spirit . so there's a distinction something about death and resurrection will give a greater understanding of everything that is possible .. is my estimation.

Hello everyone. A thought came across my mind today. In all four of the gospels we see the resurrected Jesus no longer confined to time and space, he can move into walls, appear and disappear from one place to the other. I then assume that our resurrected bodies will be able to do the same or is this just simply a mystery?

I'd say its a mystery .. though i tend to expect to get the same kind of body being a joint-heir with Christ.

 

[PaladinValer]

Can you post the verses that say as such?

It is implied in the Ascension in Acts. Again, if a physical resurrection of the dead, then everything's there. Otherwise, a human person cannot function, and God wouldn't have restored.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can you post the verses that say as such?

Better question: Do we have any reason to believe that Jesus Christ the God-Man stopped being this same Jesus between the moment He was lifted up out of the apostles' sight and was seated at the right hand of the Father?

Is there any reason to believe Jesus stopped being Jesus? And, yes, for Jesus to be Jesus He is Incarnate Logos, the God-Man. The fully God and the fully man. The same as when He appeared before His followers, saying, "See, I am flesh and bone" and saying to St. Thomas to see and feel the wounds of crucifixion. That is Jesus, this is He who ascended and He who reigns at the right hand of the Father even now.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[sdowney717]

[FONT=&quot]12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.

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[FONT=&quot]v14 indicates a [FONT=&quot]resurrected[/FONT] body is in view here.[/FONT]
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