Genesis 1:3-5

[Dan Kitzler]

It states that the Earth, Sun and moon had not yet been formed. How was a day measured?

And how was man created "in thier image"? He had not yet been formed from the dust of the Earth. Was man's spirit or soul made first?

 

[Job8]

It states that the Earth, Sun and moon had not yet been formed. How was a day measured?

Since the creation account was given by direct revelation from God to Moses, it is God who determined the measure of each day. The first day was Day and Night (Gen 1:5). The light of day was cosmic light. But since the Hebrew reckoning of a 24 hour day begins and ends at 6:00 p.m. it was described as "evening and morning".

And how was man created "in thier image"? He had not yet been formed from the dust of the Earth. Was man's spirit or soul made first?

Since God is a Spirit, the "image and likeness of God" in man would represent God in the immaterial aspects. God has a mind, a heart, and a will. So does mankind. God is also a trinity within a unity, that is why the uni-plural Hebrew word Elohim is used for God. Man is spirit, soul and body, which is also a tri-unity.

As to which came first, the body of Adam was created first, and when God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" Adam became a "living" soul (Gen 2:7).

That word "living" speaks of being spiritually alive as well as physically alive. When Adam was created his spirit was alive and could commune with God. The day Adam sinned, his spirit died, but his soul and body remained alive. That is because the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and God had warned him that that is exactly what would happen (Gen 2:17).

 

[Dan Kitzler]

Thank you for your reply. I shall consider it with an open mind. God bless you.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

That word "living" speaks of being spiritually alive as well as physically alive. When Adam was created his spirit was alive and could commune with God. The day Adam sinned, his spirit died, but his soul and body remained alive. That is because the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and God had warned him that that is exactly what would happen (Gen 2:17).

Ok then what about the newsboys song "God's not dead? They say he is living on the inside. How can God live on the inside if my spirit is dead? Where is my salvation? How does God enter my life after I say the sinner prayer?

I am not trying to be a source of frustration. These are real questions I have wondered all throughout my walk with Jesus. Thank you for taking the time to answer them.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

I think I found my answer: (Thank you Harvest ministries)

This satisfaction comes from believing in Jesus Christ who gives us the Holy Spirit to dwell inside us (verse 39). But how exactly does the Holy Spirit satisfy? Here are just a few ways:
The Holy Spirit will transform you and make you a new creation, causing old sins, addictions, attitudes, desires, and pursuits to pass away and all things to become new. (see 2 Corinthians 5:17).

The Holy Spirit will give you the strength to live a holy life. And a holy life is a happy life. Sin is the root of all evil, destruction, pain, and sorrow in your life.

The Holy Spirit will give you the ability to understand spiritual things and to understand God's Word (see 1 Corinthians 2:14). His Word will help you mature as a Christian and will guide your path, resulting in blessing and joy.

The Holy Spirit assures you that you belong to Christ and that you will enter heaven when you die (see Romans 8:16-17, Ephesians 1:13-14). This gives comfort and peace that you can't experience apart from a relationship with God.
Jesus alone can satisfy the thirsty soul. Anyone who believes in Him will receive the Holy Spirit, who will quench their inner thirst, bringing refreshment, satisfaction, and contentment forevermore!

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[Job8]

Ok then what about the newsboys song "God's not dead? They say he is living on the inside. How can God live on the inside if my spirit is dead? Where is my salvation? How does God enter my life after I say the sinner prayer?

I am not familiar with that song. I was discussing Adam, not Christians. What was true for Adam is truly for all human beings who are without Christ.

Anyone who has been born again has had their spirit brought to life by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. If you have truly repented and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and received Him into your soul as Lord and Saviour, then you should have the witness of the Holy Spirit within you. Which also means that you have been saved by grace and have received the gift of eternal life.

 

[ebia]

It states that the Earth, Sun and moon had not yet been formed. How was a day measured?

It's poetic liturgy.

And how was man created "in thier image"? He had not yet been formed from the dust of the Earth. Was man's spirit or soul made first?

Genesis 1 and Genesis 2/3 are independent creation stories.

 

[ebia]

But since the Hebrew reckoning of a 24 hour day begins and ends at 6:00 p.m. it was described as "evening and morning".

Correction: begins at sunset.
6pm is a modern construct.
You can't really talk about 24hour day either: hours were rough fractions of the whole. 1/12 of the night or 1/12 of the day. We think the other way around, as an hour as a fixed period measured by atomic vibration or whatever, and a day as made up of 24 hours. But for ancient people it doesn't work like that: a "day" is one period of light and one period of darkness.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

It's poetic liturgy.



Genesis 1 and Genesis 2/3 are independent creation stories.

Are Genesis 1 and Genesis 2/3 related to each other? Or are they independent stories?

I asked how time was measured without an Earth Sun and Moon. I thank you for your time and input.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

Correction: begins at sunset.
6pm is a modern construct.
You can't really talk about 24hour day either: hours were rough fractions of the whole. 1/12 of the night or 1/12 of the day. We think the other way around, as an hour as a fixed period measured by atomic vibration or whatever, and a day as made up of 24 hours. But for ancient people it doesn't work like that: a "day" is one period of light and one period of darkness.

That is really excellent news for the ancient people. Quite historic. It was an alternate way of measuring time.

But the last time I checked my calendar, today is January 23rd, 2015 and we measure a day starting at midnight.

My minute mind has difficulty comprehending "morning" and "evening" and "1 day" without the Earth, Sun or Moon. I wonder how God measured time?

 

[Job8]

It's poetic liturgy.

It is historical, scientific and factual data (in layman's language). Nothing "poetic" here otherwise Scripture can be turned on its head.

Genesis 1 and Genesis 2/3 are independent creation stories.

Again, this is not true. In Genesis 1 we have an overview. In Genesis 2 and 3 we have the details. Same story.

Why are we trying to complicate something which is simple and direct? As though we have never seen an author present an overview first and then provide all the details.

And there's really no need to get technical about the division of day and night. 12 hours of night and 12 hours of day are what we find in Scripture. Thus we have "the third hour", "the sixth hour" etc.

 

[ebia]

Are Genesis 1 and Genesis 2/3 related to each other? Or are they independent stories?

They are independent stories teaching about quite different things.
The first is primarly about the nature of God and creation.
The second is primarily about us and why we've made a mess of creation

I asked how time was measured without an Earth Sun and Moon. I thank you for your time and input.

What you actually need is periods of light and dark.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

What you actually need is periods of light and dark.

Right! And my limited mind will only allow me to comprehend the physical side of time measurement. How was time measured before there was physical light and darkness?

 

[ebia]

Right! And my limited mind will only allow me to comprehend the physical side of time measurement. How was time measured before there was physical light and darkness?

The implication of the story is that there is light and darkness at that point.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

The implication of the story is that there is light and darkness at that point.

Right. But not in the physical sense! How was time measured?

 

[ebia]

Right. But not in the physical sense!

Yes, in the physical sense.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

Well, ok, my question never got answered. I guess i should look through other avenues for the answer. Thank you all anyway.

 

[ebia]

Well, ok, my question never got answered. I guess i should look through other avenues for the answer. Thank you all anyway.

I'm not sure what you think is missing.

The story describes it as having "evening and morning" - ie getting light and dark - that defines a day.

 

[Dan Kitzler]

I'm not sure what you think is missing.

The story describes it as having "evening and morning" - ie getting light and dark - that defines a day.

Where did this light come from if he had not yet formed the sun? It isn't there until Genesis 1:14.

 

[ebia]

Where did this light come from if he had not yet formed the sun? It isn't there until Genesis 1:14.

The story doesn't presume the sun is the source of all light.

Ancient people often didn't. They observed that the sun comes up in the daytime and goes down for the night time, but because the whole sky is bright in the day, even when the sun itself is hidden, they often assume the sun followed the day/night cycle rather than caused it.