Any secular justification for "Defense of Marriage"?

[Fenny the Fox]

I'm sure this will happen for the rest of humanity's existence, like any other reason for murder.

Doesn't mean that homosexuals are being persecuted.

...People being targeted and abused/mistreated for a specific reason -in this case sexuality- is kind of the definition of persecution...

 

[Cearbhall]

And people are kicked because they are druggies, attacked because they are druggies, and killed because they are druggies.

What exactly has a gay 16-year-old virgin done to deserve being kicked out of the house, from your point of view? They haven't made any poor decisions. Not even by your standards.

 

[Euler]

I'm sure this will happen for the rest of humanity's existence, like any other reason for murder.

Doesn't mean that homosexuals are being persecuted.

But it does mean that gay people would have a justified reason for not wanting to be public about their sexuality.

 

[Cearbhall]

The only reason they are happier is because society now condones their lifestyle. But you see, their parents are not the rest of society- they are their parents. And they wanted to be grandparents_

Are you saying it's reasonable to kick your underage child out of the house when it becomes apparent that he or she will not be giving you grandchildren...?

Not that this makes sense, anyway. Plenty of gay people have kids.

 

[WindStaff]

...People being targeted and abused/mistreated for a specific reason -in this case sexuality- is kind of the definition of persecution...

So every time a person kills a homosexual, that should be a reason for me to assume a grand scale persecution which I should be assuming is happening?

Sorry, but no. Black people kill white people every day, and I see Zimmerman being sensationalized as a hate criminal. So how should I go about a case in which a homosexual is killed?

The liberal media is a crackpot and no rational person should ever support it

 

[Skaloop]

So every time a person kills a homosexual, that should be a reason for me to assume a grand scale persecution which I should be assuming is happening?

No, not every time a person kills a homosexual. If the fact that the victim is homosexual is the primary reason for them being killed, then yes. But sometimes, homosexuals get murdered for other reasons. That wouldn't count as persecution.

 

[WindStaff]

No, not every time a person kills a homosexual. If the fact that the victim is homosexual is the primary reason for them being killed, then yes. But sometimes, homosexuals get murdered for other reasons. That wouldn't count as persecution.

Homosexuals also tend to be serial killers, but let's not make a spectacle of that.

Instead, let's talk about how there's allegedly a persecution going on with homosexuals, who don't seem to be exactly tip toeing to the gay bars

 

[Euler]

Homosexuals also tend to be serial killers, but let's not make a spectacle of that.

Instead, let's talk about how there's allegedly a persecution going on with homosexuals, who don't seem to be exactly tip toeing to the gay bars

Out of which sewer do you dredge up this garbage? "Tend to be serial killers"??

Please tell me your involvement here is some form of a joke? A bet? Frat initiation?

You cannot possibly be for real.

 

[WindStaff]

Out of which sewer do you dredge up this garbage? "Tend to be serial killers"??

Please tell me your involvement here is some form of a joke? A bet? Frat initiation?

You cannot possibly be for real.

Out of just a few percent of the population, I see things which, if were among all men, would destroy us.

Homosexual Serial Killers

 

[Euler]

Out of just a few percent of the population, I see things which, if were among all men, would destroy us.

Homosexual Serial Killers

Yes, I thought that piece might be the one you were looking at.

Two things.

1. You said "homosexuals tend to be serial killers". What you meant to say is that serial killers tend to be homosexual. The first indicates that most gay men are serial killers which, even for you, is ridiculous.

2. If you'd bothered to read ALL that article, you would see that the author makes the point that the numbers of serial killers is too small to make significant statistical observations about their sexuality!. It would be like throwing 2 coins in the air and they both came down heads. Should we draw from this that the odds of throwing a head is always 100%? No, we would conclude that the number of trials was too small and that we'd need a much larger sample.

But don't let either of these get in the way of your bigotry, will you?

 

[WindStaff]

Yes, I thought that piece might be the one you were looking at.

Two things.

1. You said "homosexuals tend to be serial killers". What you meant to say is that serial killers tend to be homosexual. The first indicates that most gay men are serial killers which, even for you, is ridiculous.

2. If you'd bothered to read ALL that article, you would see that the author makes the point that the numbers of serial killers is too small to make significant statistical observations about their sexuality!. It would be like throwing 2 coins in the air and they both came down heads. Should we draw from this that the odds of throwing a head is always 100%? No, we would conclude that the number of trials was too small and that we'd need a much larger sample.

But don't let either of these get in the way of your bigotry, will you?

I don't care for the article. You see, it's hard to copy and paste the list in it because it's in a certain format.

Nothing good comes out of the homosexual community. Even the homosexuals in the holy clergy are using the rites of sacramental wine to seduce little boys; damnable sacrilege.

You tell me a positive of homosexuality which justifies it's negatives.

 

[Euler]

I don't care for the article. You see, it's hard to copy and paste the list in it because it's in a certain format.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Translation: "I got caught lying, so I'll just ignore the evidence."

Nothing good comes out of the homosexual community.

Leonardo da Vinci
Hadrian
Alan Turing
Alexander the Great
Michelangelo
Ralph Waldorf Emerson
Oscar Wilde
Tchaikovsky
Marcel Proust
John Maynard Keynes

Shall I continue?

Even the homosexuals in the holy clergy are using the rites of sacramental wine to seduce little boys; damnable sacrilege.

You do realize that, overwhelmingly, the people who sexually abuse children, regardless of the gender of the child, are heterosexual?

You tell me a positive of homosexuality which justifies it's negatives.

Right after you can tell me one good thing about being a hateful bigot, which justifies its disgusting display in you.

 

[SMA12]

One thing I notice about ethical conversations with Christians is they can give me a non religious explanation for Christian ethics - except when it comes to Gay Marriage, in which case their opposition seems to rest entirely on a handful of bible verses.

Can anyone provide a reason for opposing gay marriage - without invoking scripture or theology?

We know all to well the negative psychological effect of a child being fatherless or motherless.

A child with 2 fathers is still motherless and a child with 2 mothers is still fatherless.

A child's best chance at proper psychological development, statistically speaking is in a stable home with a mother and a father.

The latest research on the effects of children with homosexual parent seems to verify as much. A child in a house hold with homosexual parents, compared to that of a child in a household with a mother and a father, are among other things more likely to:

• Use drugs
  Encounter sexual abuse
  Drop out of school
  Become homosexual themselves
  To be arrested
  To suffer from depression
  To be unemployed

When you break down the family unit, society is soon to follow. This is why defending the institution of marriage is so important. This pertains not only to so called gay marriage, but also to the culture of divorce prevailing today.


Family Research Council

 

[Skaloop]

We know all to well the negative psychological effect of a child being fatherless or motherless.

A child with 2 fathers is still motherless and a child with 2 mothers is still fatherless.

A child's best chance at proper psychological development, statistically speaking is in a stable home with a mother and a father.

The latest research on the effects of children with homosexual parent seems to verify as much. A child in a house hold with homosexual parents, compared to that of a child in a household with a mother and a father, are among other things more likely to:

• Use drugs
  Encounter sexual abuse
  Drop out of school
  Become homosexual themselves
  To be arrested
  To suffer from depression
  To be unemployed

When you break down the family unit, society is soon to follow. This is why defending the institution of marriage is so important. This pertains not only to so called gay marriage, but also to the culture of divorce prevailing today.


Family Research Council

As has been mentioned before, this is a thread for secular arguments against same-sex marriage. It is not about arguments related to parenting.

 

[WindStaff]

Leonardo da Vinci

He was not gay, despite the controversy of him never marrying.

And that makes, by default, the rest of the list questionable.

 

[KitKatMatt]

As has been mentioned before, this is a thread for secular arguments against same-sex marriage. It is not about arguments related to parenting.

Bonus for the source being a religious organisation classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, focused entirely on spreading anti-gay propaganda.

I bet they're not biased at all

 

[WindStaff]

Bonus for the source being a religious organisation classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, focused entirely on spreading anti-gay propaganda.

I bet they're not biased at all

I bet your not biased at all either

See, you have no bias if you are a realist. A realist dodges bias altogether- that's what makes a realist

~I have no bias, but neither am I passive~

 

[SMA12]

Originally Posted by SMA12
We know all to well the negative psychological effect of a child being fatherless or motherless.

A child with 2 fathers is still motherless and a child with 2 mothers is still fatherless.

A child's best chance at proper psychological development, statistically speaking is in a stable home with a mother and a father.

The latest research on the effects of children with homosexual parent seems to verify as much. A child in a house hold with homosexual parents, compared to that of a child in a household with a mother and a father, are among other things more likely to:
Use drugs
Encounter sexual abuse
Drop out of school
Become homosexual themselves
To be arrested
To suffer from depression
To be unemployed

When you break down the family unit, society is soon to follow. This is why defending the institution of marriage is so important. This pertains not only to so called gay marriage, but also to the culture of divorce prevailing today.

As has been mentioned before, this is a thread for secular arguments against same-sex marriage. It is not about arguments related to parenting.

You cannot separate the two, as I have yet to seen a person argue that a gay couple should be able to marry, but then not be allowed to adopt or raise a child.

Gay parenting is a consequence of gay marriage, therefor it is a valid secular argument against gay marriage.

I believe my argument should be addressed.

 

[KitKatMatt]

I take my research from actual psychologists and scientists that study this subject, not some crazy group that uses "evidence" that isn't peer reviewed or verified in any way but in their own heads

 

[WindStaff]

I take my research from actual psychologists and scientists that study this subject, not some crazy group that uses "evidence" that isn't peer reviewed or verified in any way but in their own heads

I treat them like I do the young earthers and evolutionists- the truth is ~in between~ you see, all you have to do is look