An attempt to eliminate God.

[Elder 111]

It's not that any of us claim one commandment us more or less important than another. I say that none of the ten commandments are required simply because they were in the ten commandments given to the Israelites as part of their covenant. If Christ taught similar things to some of them as part of a new covenant, that does not automatically re-enact the old one.

The bible does not say that the covenant was changed because of the law. NEVER!!!
Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The bible says that the fault was with the Jews. They did not keep they part of the covenant. Can we not see that?????

 

[VictorC]

Jesus does not share your claim. Mat 7:
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ("Listed" would be interested in this part)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I don't think you realize that you're quoting from a passage that condemns Adventism.

 

[VictorC]

The bible does not say that the covenant was changed because of the law. NEVER!!!
Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The bible says that the fault was with the Jews. They did not keep they part of the covenant. Can we not see that?????

Your opening statement is incoherent of the very epistle you cite for support.

• The law ordained by the first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

 

[VictorC]

It is clear that your stumbling block is the Sabbath. If you read Exodus 16 you will find that that is the test of obedience. That is the only command that is challenged and God knew that. Ex 16:
4Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
The test of obedience to God was and is the Sabbath. You must admit that none of the other 10 presents a problem for Christians even to those that claim they are abolished.

You don't keep the Sabbath.
You don't even have the Sabbath.
And, it hasn't led you towards God's "My rest" those who were charged with the Sabbath hadn't attained during the Law's tenure.

 

[maco]

You don't keep the Sabbath.
You don't even have the Sabbath.
And, it hasn't led you towards God's "My rest" those who were charged with the Sabbath hadn't attained during the Law's tenure.

Lies! All lies!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7859224/#post66863868

 

[listed]

The bible does not say that the covenant was changed because of the law. NEVER!!!
Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The bible says that the fault was with the Jews. They did not keep they part of the covenant. Can we not see that?????

First the law is the covenant made with Israel alone at Sinai.

Second God said He was going to change the covenant (law).

Third God did change the covenant. This change was from law to promises and the granting of mercy also called grace (unmerited favor).

 

[Steeno7]

Steen07
The Key to the Christian Life is found at Mount Calvary not Mount Sinai.
Elder111
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Posting irrelevant scripture as a response is an irrelevant response.

 

[Steeno7]

Jesus does not share your claim. Mat 7:
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ("Listed" would be interested in this part)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those who are trusting in themselves and in what they are doing or not doing are not doing the will of God. It is only those who are living by faith in Jesus Christ; being receptive to Him and His activity, trusting and depending upon Him, who are doing the will of God.

 

[listed]

Lies! All lies!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7859224/#post66863868

Not at all for instance you do not adhere to Ex 20:8-11. You do keep an amended version though. This has been well discussed here in this forum.

 

[VictorC]

Lies! All lies!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7859224/#post66863868

Your linked post asserts the basic tenets of Judaism - and deny God's redemption that is the basis of Christianity. Adding insult to your injury...

3rd January 2015, 07:19 AM

...you don't keep the Sabbath. Your testimony and performance are irreconcilable, and deny the righteousness of God.

Romans 10
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.​

 

[listed]

Steen07
The Key to the Christian Life is found at Mount Calvary not Mount Sinai.
Elder111
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Very nice smoke screen. It unfortunately does not provide the cover you seek because it is more than evident it is not believed nor practiced.

 

[listed]

Well, I am sure we agree to disagree.

But we also agree on another thing: I do not think any commandment of God is more, or less important than any others. Whatever began with, "And the Lord said," or, "And the Lord God commanded," and/or, "And Christ said" is a commandment.

For that reason, I am non-denominational. You will not find me heralding the 4th commandment over the 6th, or the second commandment over the ninth. All of them are of equal merit to me, because if I unrepentantly break any of them, the temperature of the hell fire is the same in degrees and celcius.

But, I also do not think sole obedience to the law gains one salvation. That is a mistake of the pharisees.

If that doesn't clear things up, then any more words I present - especially in addition to the other words I have said - WI be futility, and a possible stumbling block or antagonizing sore to you and others.

I mean exactly what I say, and have said.

Why do you promote the covenant of law over its replacement covenant of unconditional promises?

 

[listed]

You did not notice the "ark of the testimony"? Only the ten were called such and only the ten were in the ark.

You must be saying the 10 Cs were placed in the Ark of the Testimony. I find engraved stone tablets placed there. If it were not for Book of the law placed on the outside you would not know about them.

 

[listed]

Jesus does not share your claim. Mat 7:
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ("Listed" would be interested in this part)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Why do you think I would be interested in that part?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

It is clear that your stumbling block is the Sabbath. If you read Exodus 16 you will find that that is the test of obedience. That is the only command that is challenged and God knew that. Ex 16:
4Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
The test of obedience to God was and is the Sabbath. You must admit that none of the other 10 presents a problem for Christians even to those that claim they are abolished.

No one claims anything was abolished, no matter how often you try to impose that.

In exodus, for whom was that a test, Israelites or gentiles?

 

[BornAgainBrian]

You did not notice the "ark of the testimony"? Only the ten were called such and only the ten were in the ark.

Testimony, covenant, testament... These are synonyms.

This was the ark of the covenant... the old covenant

 

[BornAgainBrian]

The bible does not say that the covenant was changed because of the law. NEVER!!!
Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The bible says that the fault was with the Jews. They did not keep they part of the covenant. Can we not see that?????

Which one of the two parties mentioned in this passage are you? The house of Israel or the house of Judah?

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

The bible does not say that the covenant was changed because of the law. NEVER!!!
Heb 8: 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The bible says that the fault was with the Jews. They did not keep they part of the covenant. Can we not see that?????
​

Your opening statement is incoherent of the very epistle you cite for support.

• The law ordained by the first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

Why? Because the law that say we should have no other God is obsolete? Because the law that says we should not kill is obsolete. Or because for one as shown in Heb 7, that Christ is the new High priest which was not of the tribe of Levi? Which is of the law of the priesthood and not the ten commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

First the law is the covenant made with Israel alone at Sinai.

Second God said He was going to change the covenant (law).

Third God did change the covenant. This change was from law to promises and the granting of mercy also called grace (unmerited favor).

If we take your point at face value, we have that God removed the command not to serve any other god or lie and steal because He changed the law to promises and granting mercy and grace. So instead of thou should no other god we have a promise, of what may I ask? Instill of thou shall not kill we have Grace to lie perhaps? Instead of thou shall not steal we have mercy for the victim. This is the mockery you make of the word of God.

 

[Elder 111]

Those who are trusting in themselves and in what they are doing or not doing are not doing the will of God. It is only those who are living by faith in Jesus Christ; being receptive to Him and His activity, trusting and depending upon Him, who are doing the will of God.

So excuse me please. Is not obeying God doing His will? To worship God only as in the first commandments is not doing His will??? Come on speak up!!