An attempt to eliminate God.

[maco]

Maco, you didn't answer my question, which forces me to extract an answer from what you posted. That answer is 'no', you aren't going to pause long enough to consider where else you're in error after admitting you erred concerning the Law's origin.

Nothing you posted is coherent with the conversation, so I can reduce your post to a key statement.

The same inspired author who wrote "the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" also described it as a death sentence, and also specified the Ten Commandments as the Law we have been delivered from, which held the recipients in the past tense - in the same chapter you extracted your sound bite from (Romans 7).

If you are to attribute one statement to God in the author's inspiration, you are forced to attribute the other statements to God as well.

You weren't one of the recipients of the Law described in this narrative, who the inspired author described as "those who know the law" in the first verse. Truth be known, you don't know very much about the Law by your own admission. That includes the Sabbath, which you replaced with your personal rendition that is far from Holy, and hasn't driven you toward God's rest as it did the recipients of the Law who placed their faith in their Redeemer.

The Law kills only that which needs to be killed and that's the old sinful man of pride and self righteousness.

 

[VictorC]

Brothers and sister: note that the ten commandments written by God Himself is called rubbish.
So that starting with #! you should have no other God is Rubbish
That we should not make graven images is Rubbish!
That we should not take God's name in vain is rubbish!
You should not kill is rubbish.
I think you get the ugly picture.

Oh my, look at the ugly picture you painted on a Biblical author inspired to write the word "rubbish" in his description concerning his own motions according to the Law!

 

[VictorC]

Yes brothers and sisters you heard it right from the horses mouth. The Scripture is rubbish. Use the little blue button taking you back to the post quoting Phil 3:7-11 the comment stems from. We knew all along this was Elder's position. His comments are based on a selected out of context paly on words.

Exactly.

 

[maco]

Oh my, look at the ugly picture you painted on a Biblical author inspired to write the word "rubbish" in his description concerning his own motions according to the Law!

Psalm 19:7

 

[VictorC]

There is no rejection of the Sabbath in scripture.

Be honest with God's word and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal it.

You don't practice what you preach.

 

[VictorC]

Psalm 19:7

Wrong reference - this was Philippians 3:7-11.

 

[listed]

You say the Law is bad without even realizing it. This is called delusion and deception. Only God can help you, if you want to be helped. First you need to see where you're wrong so God can teach you what is right.

Upon seeing no evidence you are bearing false witness and condemning another without just cause. We all know about the accuser of the brethren. The very law you claim to keep condemns you. Misery loves company. I do not like misery and refuse to keep company with it.

 

[maco]

Wrong reference - this was Philippians 3:7-11.

Read verse 12 too.

 

[listed]

The Law kills only that which needs to be killed and that's the old sinful man of pride and self righteousness.

Does not seem to be doing a very good job from my vantage point. Could you explain why?

 

[VictorC]

Read verse 12 too.

The pattern emerging is your admission of error three times in a row.

 

[VictorC]

Does not seem to be doing a very good job from my vantage point. Could you explain why?

You're not going to get an explanation. He glossed over the narrative completely with a retort to reject Scripture and replace it with an unsupportable opinion.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

You have a big problem. For all of salvation is of the Jews. If you want nothing that was given to the Jews you have nothing of God. I can show that with many scriptures but here are a few.
John 422 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Romans 9:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Looks like everything pertaining to salvation was given to the Jews even the two covenants. What do you expect to have when you discard things because there are of the Jews? Nothing!!!!!!
Then we should not be christians

Be honest with God's word and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal it. It is very obvious that those things that are called a shadow of things to come referred to those things that prefigured the coming and the death of Christ. The book of Hebrews also speaks plainly of the sanctuary and the High priest being replaced by Jesus and His Heavenly ministry in the true tabernacle "which the Lord pitched" and not man. Obviously that which is mentioned later in chapter 10 is not the same as that mentioned in verse 1 all of this is clear to all who seek truth. Every angle is work to deny God's Holy law at the expense of the true understanding of scripture but indeed that is not new. The Jews went so far as to kill the saviour. How far are we going to go?

By God's grace I will post a separate post to show again not only that the ten are separate from the rest but how important God regards it and why it can not be ignore by Christians.


Brother a play of words and terms. Other say abolish you say fulfill but you all mean that it is not for Christians to keep. Jesus said that heaven and earth will have to pass for the law to be removed. It still here.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 4 says that salvation is FROM the Jews, not that it is FOR the Jews or TO the Jews. It's true, since our Savior is of the Tribe of Judah. Besides, how many time do we see "first the Jews, then the gentiles"? There is a clear contrast.

Romans 9 reiterates Gods favor on Israel and reiterates Christ's origin. Read the previous verse, though... Paul wishes he could be cut off from Christ for the sake of the Israelites, whom he calls his kinsmen according to the flesh ( not the Spirit).

The things clear in your mind aren't so in that of others. That doesn't mean I don't seek the truth. I know you think that of me. I could make the same observation in my eyes regarding legalists. That doesn't further anything. The shadow of things to come "clearly" reflects the Law being a tutor to lead us to God as shown in Galatians 3.

I await your post about the ten.

Jesus Himself said fulfill, and rejected abolish, so I do the same. I hold that fulfilled means different than removed, and have tried to explain that. If I try to fulfill myself requirements already fulfilled for me by Christ, I am basically saying Christ came for no reason.
Regardless, how do you hold that this issue of fulfillment and "not passing away" applies to the ten commandments and not the Mosaic Law?
The context of Matthew 5 is both the Mosaic Law and the teachings of the Prophets. However you have said there is no requirement to keep all of those to the letter. How do you reconcile that?

 

[maco]

The pattern emerging is your admission of error three times in a row.

Like I said to you and many others here on this forum. If you love God His commandments won't be a burden whether we keep them perfectly or not. One day we will but until then seek to be like Christ. Jesus teaches us to obey His Father. Take from that what you want. Deny, accuse me of sin but know this, everyone will give an account to God for what they did with what God gave them.

 

[BornAgainBrian]

Like I said to you and many others here on this forum. If you love God His commandments won't be a burden whether we keep them perfectly or not. One day we will but until then seek to be like Christ. Jesus teaches us to obey His Father. Take from that what you want. Deny, accuse me of sin but know this, everyone will give an account to God for what they did with what God gave them.

Agreed, except we disagree what His commandments to gentile Christians are and whether requiring the keeping of Jewish law is putting God to the test. As you said to others, you can accuse me of sin, but you also will give an account.

 

[CryOfALion]

I'm curious:

How does anyone know for sure they are Hellenistic/gentile, or actual Hebrews?

There was plenty of "sexy time" going on between Hebrews and gentiles - one reason God was perturbed with His people.

 

[Steeno7]

Like I said to you and many others here on this forum. If you love God His commandments won't be a burden whether we keep them perfectly or not. One day we will but until then seek to be like Christ. Jesus teaches us to obey His Father. Take from that what you want. Deny, accuse me of sin but know this, everyone will give an account to God for what they did with what God gave them.

That's a very convenient 'out' you give yourself, by reducing Gods standard to something less than perfection. To something you think you can manage. It's how you can continue to feel as though you are succeeding where God says you are failing. But there is only One 'out' that God gives us, that being Jesus Christ....and the righteous are those who live by faith in Him.

 

[VictorC]

Like I said to you and many others here on this forum. If you love God His commandments won't be a burden whether we keep them perfectly or not. One day we will but until then seek to be like Christ. Jesus teaches us to obey His Father. Take from that what you want. Deny, accuse me of sin but know this, everyone will give an account to God for what they did with what God gave them.

This can't be reconciled with God's deliverance from the Law specified as the Ten Commandments. You already conceded this a fait accompli by God's decree earlier today. What you're calling God's commandments is a covenant you were never given, and you can't support your contention to abandon God's redemption in Jesus Christ to revert to the covenant from Mount Sinai He commanded us to cast off.

 

[Elder 111]

Walking in the way of the law is not walking in the way of salvation.

Walking in the way of serving God alone as the law says is not walking in salvation. *Staff edit*

 

[Elder 111]

The Question is about the ten Commandments and why it should be seen as separate from the rest of the law.
God had Moses as His servant and he was more than just a prophet. Num. 12:
6And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Yet God did not allow Moses to speak or write the Ten commandments. #1 conclusion, it was too important to God even to give to His trusted servant. Too Holy, Too sacred.

God came down and called for the building of the sanctuary which was a pattern of what God showed Moses. Ex 25:
8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
What we will now focus on is the ark. God stated: Ex 25:
16 And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
The question is what is the testimony? Ex 31:
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Ex 25:
22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
Note the arrangement: The ark with the Ten commandments inside is under the mercy seat, which is the throne of God, where God would meet them. Please note how God handled The ten commandments and where it is placed also continue to remember all of this is a pattern of what God showed Moses. Where is the Pattern or the original? Next!

Can't make it too long.

 

[Elder 111]

Continued from Post #279.
The Original, Where is it? Hebrews 8:Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Here is also another revelation. Not only are we told that the original Sanctuary is in Heaven but it is revealed to us that the earth sanctuary and it services were a "shadow" of all that Christ is doing and has done to save us.

Notice the throne in Heaven and the tabernacle. Now if there is that the earthly was exactly a copy of what is in Heaven then there should also be the "Ark of the testimony" under the throne. It can not be the ark of the testimony if it does not have the testimony/ten commandments in it.

Are we told that there is one in Heaven? OH YES! Not once but twice!

Rev 11:19 and 15:5
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and 5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
The Ten commandments is so dear and important to God that there are part of His throne, He sit on them, to get to them you have to move God. My question therefore is. who moved God to remove or nullify His law His throne???? Therefore new meaning is given to Jesus' words: Mat 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
You literally have to move heaven to move God Holy Ten commandment law!
Above all understand also that the other laws were not afforded the same status! NOT AT ALL!! God showed a difference in the handling of the Ten and the other laws not Adventist or any other.
Blessings to you all.