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I have not seen, anywhere I can recall, anyone say something like: "I left because my denomination told me to." Maybe some do.
Well, I certainly have. But that may only show that I follow these things more closely and examine the claims more carefully. I can give you specific examples of that, too.

It's the Holy Spirit who convicts people of sin more often then denominations do.
Well, that's what you'd like to think, but I am sure that the Holy Spirit is not convicting people to disavow something unless it's doing wrong!

Your argument boils down to, if it's alright with a denomination, it is alright for a given person, and if it's not alright with a denomination, then it's not alright

Not in the least. However, we were talking about people leaving Masonry because they decided that something about it conflicted with their own religious standards. And I said that I respect their choice, even if I don't agree with it...but by the same token that doesn't make the organization wrong just because someone has reached the conclusion that it's not for them...or that other Christians are wrong to belong.

But there is objective truth. And the Holy Spirit convicts people of it.
Then that's something on which we can agree!

It helps a lot when people pray and ask God to have His will for the sake of unity in the Church about Freemasonry and its related groups

I notice that you like to talk about Freemasonry AND ITS RELATED GROUPS. What "related groups" are you thinking of??

Hope you had a good Christmas, Albion.

And many Christmas blessings to you, too, Ellwood.
 
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This is especially interesting:



It is written that man's "intellect" and consequently that "enlightenment" is the very thing that will deceive man, for God's (El Elyon's) thoughts are infinitely and inexplicably higher than man's:

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." ~Isaiah 58:8-9


Yes. We are clay. Enlightenment is Jesus.
 
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I notice that you like to talk about Freemasonry AND ITS RELATED GROUPS. What "related groups" are you thinking of??

And many Christmas blessings to you, too, Ellwood.



When I say Freemasonry and its related groups, I am talking about Blue Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason). Those who are Master Masons and have done York Rite and/or Scottish Rite are Freemasons. Then there are Shriners and Royal Order of Jesters (who are Masons). But people in other Masonic groups like Job’s Daughters, Eastern Star, DeMolay, and Rainbow for Girls are not Masons. Masonic but not Masons.


Then there are numerous other groups similar to Freemasonry in some ways, or which use Masonic elements, like Mormonism, which is based in Freemasonry. There are other groups like the Rosicrucians, which are also secret societies, and many others like Oddfellows that are also not Masons.


In this particular case, I said, “It helps a lot when people pray and ask God to have His will for the sake of unity in the Church about Freemasonry and its related groups.”


I mean, pray for all of them. Pray for God’s will in His Church and the world for all secret societies, all occult groups.





NOTE: Ben Breedlove’s memorial service was December 29, 2011. Through live Internet feed, it was seen by around 58,000 people. Ben had a YouTube following on his “BreedloveTV” channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/BreedloveTV). Just before he died, Ben made two videos that then went viral about his heart condition and what he had experienced in his times he was close to death. The book written by his sister Ally Breedlove is “When Will the Heaven Begin” (after a Kid Cudi song lyric). In honor of Ben today I include his links:



This is my story (Part 1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlTHfVaU9o
This is my story (Part 2): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4LSEXsvRAI

Ally Breedlove’s talk at Ben’s service: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEhAtP2Fnb8



 
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When I say Freemasonry and its related groups, I am talking about Blue Lodge (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason). Those who are Master Masons and have done York Rite and/or Scottish Rite are Freemasons. Then there are Shriners and Royal Order of Jesters (who are Masons). But people in other Masonic groups like Job’s Daughters, Eastern Star, DeMolay, and Rainbow for Girls are not Masons. Masonic but not Masons.

OK. Thanks.
Then there are numerous other groups similar to Freemasonry in some ways, or which use Masonic elements, like Mormonism, which is based in Freemasonry. There are other groups like the Rosicrucians, which are also secret societies, and many others like Oddfellows that are also not Masons.
That's very true, and it would be quite wrong to think of such groups as "related to" Masonry simply because they took it upon themselves to borrow some Masonic imagery for their own use or, worse, are "like" Masonry only in being another fraternity of men.

I mean, pray for all of them. Pray for God’s will in His Church and the world for all secret societies, all occult groups.
Well, which is it--so-called "secret societies" or occult groups? The two are hardly the same. There is nothing occultish about Freemasonry, for example.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my question, Ellwood.
 
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Ellwood3 posted:

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Adonai (Lord) is not coequivalent to Baal and Moloch
"First--sorry about the extra post above; my Posts 127 & 128 are identical. I tried editing but the post doesn't show in the editing box, so I can't delete one of them.

Now for looking at (from post 1):

"In short, whether the word ‘God’ is used or the acronym ‘GAOTU,’ the meaning is the same: it’s just a symbol for ‘god,’ and not the name of a particular view of ‘god.’ Since a symbol, obviously, stands for something, it starts to become clear that there is an entity behind these words, an entity which is known by different names to different people, all of which are acceptable. Mason Albert Pike describes such an entity:
The Supreme, Self-existent, Eternal, All-wise, All-powerful, Infinitely Good, Pitying, Beneficent, and Merciful Creator and Preserver of the Universe was the same, by whatever name he was called, to the intellectual and enlightened men of all nations. The name was nothing, if not a symbol and representative hieroglyph of his nature and attributes. The name Al represented his remoteness above men, his inaccessibility; Bal and Bala, his might; Alohim, his various potencies; Ihuh, existence and the generation of things. None of his names, among the Orientals, were the symbols of a divinely infinite love and tenderness, and all-embracing mercy. As Moloch or Malek he was but an omnipotent monarch, a tremendous and irresponsible Will; as Adonai, only an arbitrary Lord and Master; as Al Shadai, potent and a destroyer.” (Morals and Dogma, pg. 208)
When the MO GL states in its Handbook “Before its altar Christian, Jew, Mohammedan, Buddhist, and Confucian may kneel together,” it can do so because of the Masonic view that there is a single god behind their differing views, and it is that being which is the god of Masonry. The Missouri view is in full accord with Masons Albert Pike and Joseph F. Newton:
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Adonai is a name of God in the Bible. He is called “only an arbitrary Lord and Master”, compared to Moloch, who is the fire god the Hebrews and pagans sacrificed children to, and who here is called “an omnipotent monarch, a tremendous and irresponsible Will.”

At least Pike, who rewrote the Scottish Rite still in use today in "Morals and Dogma" and which is the source of this quote, considered the God of the Bible--El, Elohom, El Shaddai, Adonai--to be under Moloch.

(It is more powerful to be "an omnipotent monarch, a tremendous and irresponsible will" than an "only arbitrary Lord and Master."

[FONT=&quot]MOLOCH (MOLECH) - JewishEncyclopedia.com


[FONT=&quot]Molech; Moloch - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]El (Al), Elohim, (Alohim), and El Shaddai (Al Shaddai), are all names for the God of the Bible. God is not co-equal or beneath Baal (Bal, Bala) or Moloch (Malek).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Masonic idea of the Grand (some call it Great) Architect of the Universe, the GAOTU is that it subsumes all other gods (one of whom is God). It combines them all and stands over them."




I posted the above, but did not give the meanings of the Hebrew words for God under use.

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[/FONT]Some of God’s different names in the Bible:


El (Al): God
Elohim, (Alohim): God (plural) and/or God (great)
El Shaddai (Al Shaddai): God Almighty
Adonai (Adonay): LORD, used in place of pronouncing YHWH.



demonic "gods":

Baal (Bal, Bala): Jeremiah 19:5
Jeremiah 19:5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal--something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.



Moloch (Malek): Leviticus 18:21

Leviticus 18:21 "'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.





[FONT=&quot]El Shaddai[/FONT][FONT=&quot] sung by Amy Grant (she isn't singing to Baal, here, since they are not the same, Albert Pike notwithstanding:[/FONT]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydd4XTIDzF0
 
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OK. Thanks.

That's very true, and it would be quite wrong to think of such groups as "related to" Masonry simply because they took it upon themselves to borrow some Masonic imagery for their own use or, worse, are "like" Masonry only in being another fraternity of men.


Well, which is it--so-called "secret societies" or occult groups? The two are hardly the same. There is nothing occultish about Freemasonry, for example.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my question, Ellwood.


The groups that have taken elements from Masonry are related in the same way borrowing (or stealing) blue paint and using it still makes the thing painted blue, even though the theft wasn't authorized.

Here is the definition of the word "occult":
Occult | Define Occult at Dictionary.com

As a group that has secrets "disclosed or communicated only to the initiated" Freemasonry qualifies as occult on that basis alone. Here is another link:

Fecal occult blood test Definition - Tests and Procedures - Mayo Clinic

The word "hidden" is one definition of "occult." Blood hidden in a stool sample is occult because it is hidden.

Thanks for your patience, waiting for the answer, Albion.
 
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Ellwood, there's nothing about Baal or Moloch in Masonry.

Indeed, the usual claim that's made by anti-Masons is that the Masonic conception of God is too unspecific. :doh:


I was quoting this section of post #1:

"In short, whether the word ‘God’ is used or the acronym ‘GAOTU,’ the meaning is the same: it’s just a symbol for ‘god,’ and not the name of a particular view of ‘god.’ Since a symbol, obviously, stands for something, it starts to become clear that there is an entity behind these words, an entity which is known by different names to different people, all of which are acceptable. Mason Albert Pike describes such an entity:
The Supreme, Self-existent, Eternal, All-wise, All-powerful, Infinitely Good, Pitying, Beneficent, and Merciful Creator and Preserver of the Universe was the same, by whatever name he was called, to the intellectual and enlightened men of all nations. The name was nothing, if not a symbol and representative hieroglyph of his nature and attributes. The name Al represented his remoteness above men, his inaccessibility; Bal and Bala, his might; Alohim, his various potencies; Ihuh, existence and the generation of things. None of his names, among the Orientals, were the symbols of a divinely infinite love and tenderness, and all-embracing mercy. As Moloch or Malek he was but an omnipotent monarch, a tremendous and irresponsible Will; as Adonai, only an arbitrary Lord and Master; as Al Shadai, potent and a destroyer.” (Morals and Dogma, pg. 208)"
(Bold-face my own emphasis)

The idea here is A. Pike's statement about his concept of God in the book where he re-wrote the Scottish Rite.
 
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BTW, I am not an "anti-Mason." I am for you guys.

Thank you for that clarification, but the sentence in question was written in purely in a matter of fact manner. I didn't intend to indict you or anyone else in particular when I said that anti-Masons are always trying to say that Masons promote pagan gods. It was to say that I recognize the charge because it's so common.

That said, I still wonder that you expected me to take from that lengthy reprint about something written by Albert Pike. Albert Pike is Albert Pike. He's not Masonry. Masonry encourages its members to develop their own value systems and tens of millions of men have done just that--men who were Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, unaffiliated, and many more.

If Pike contemplated something more esoteric than the rest of us, that's his thinking and nothing more. I know Christian priests and bishops who are Masons. Would it make sense to say that their personal religious beliefs are "What Masonry stands for?" I would think not. Everyone would resist that notion, but when it comes to something Pike wrote more than a century ago, it's red meat for anyone giving a speech against Masonry.

The groups that have taken elements from Masonry are related in the same way borrowing (or stealing) blue paint and using it still makes the thing painted blue, even though the theft wasn't authorized.
In other words, they're not related at all.

There's a thread running right now on the Lutheran forum that questions the use of a triangle and an eye in Lutheran and Catholic churches because some other groups that are not Lutheran or Catholic also use these symbols to represent something or other. Masonry also does. Are the Lutheran churches and Freemasonry therefore "related" organizations? Or is it more correct to say that two unrelated organizations use the same symbols and may not even assign the same meaning to them?


Here is the definition of the word "occult":
Occult | Define Occult at Dictionary.com


As for the word "occult," you have given me the dictionary definitions and there are eleven of them. Only the first is relevant to the notion that Masonry might have something to do with the occult. It reads as follows:

of or relating to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.

That's what opponents of Masonry are charging--not one of the other meanings, most of which are completely unrelated and/or benign.

And my answer? Masonry does NOT engage in magic, astrology, or promote or engage in anything that involves purportedly supernatural secrets or powers. The claim is totally false.
 
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Albert Pike is Albert Pike. He's not Masonry.
You continue to gloss over the fact that Albert Pike certainly is the primary influence behind the Scottish Rite (SJ) ritual system. He may not be Masonry, but he sure as heck was the SR/SJ. Cordially, Skip.
 
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Which makes up less than 25% of all US masons. Less than 10% on the global stage.

Since his book has not been issued in decades, far fewer even know who he is.

Then again, an outsider, especially an anti mason, has far less knowledge than someone who's actually participated in the SR degrees.
 
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[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Those who oppose Freemasonry will claim that Masons worship a 'false God' whom they claim is GAOTU - the "Grand Architect of the Universe" (in some jurisdictions referred to as the "Great Architect of the Universe").
Nothing could be further from the truth!
Let us be quite clear: Freemasonry does NOT have a "god" of any kind. Freemasons however do profess a belief in a Supreme Being.
Perhaps we should repeat:
The organization - FREEMASONRY - has no "god", no religion, no theology, no dogma, no creed....
Freemasonry's members - FREEMASONS - upon petitioning for membership are required to profess a belief in a Supreme Being. They are not required or requested to elaborate any further on their beliefs except to make a positive affirmation that they have such a belief.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The term "Great Architect of the Universe" (or "Grand Architect of the Universe") is used to permit a more generic worship to the Supreme Being of all present. All Masons understand this concept and when prayers are offered in their lodge, they understand that regardless of the person speaking the words or the manner of prayer of others present, the prayer is addressed to their Supreme Being.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]To argue that Masons have a 'god' with the name GAOTU would be similar to arguing that a church where a prayer is addressed to "Most Holy and Glorious Lord God" had a false God with the name MHAGLG or when a prayer is offered in the name of 'Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' that those worshipping there were praying to OLSJC.... It's bizarre in the extreme.[/FONT]

The question is often raised: to whom do Masons pray?
The answer is, quite simply, "To God".
Argumentatively, some will then respond, "Which God?" at which point we must wonder how many Gods THEY believe there are. From the perspective of Masons, there is one Supreme Being and that is to whom we pray.
It really is SO simple....
So when Masons are praying to God, they each may be praying to different Gods; depending upon what ever God they worship. Is that correct?

Ken
 
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You continue to gloss over the fact that Albert Pike certainly is the primary influence behind the Scottish Rite (SJ) ritual system. He may not be Masonry, but he sure as heck was the SR/SJ. Cordially, Skip.

No, that's not correct. He is a famous person, quite aside from his Masonic membership; and he is also well-known among anti-Masons for having written of his own insights into what Masonry meant to him.

I never hear him mentioned in meetings of Masons, and his writings are never referred to--at least not in any gathering, formal or informal, that I know of or have been present for. He spoke of his feelings about Scottish Rite Masonry which relatively few Masons belong to. There's nothing in those facts that amounts to 'glossing over' anything.
 
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You continue to gloss over the fact that Albert Pike certainly is the primary influence behind the Scottish Rite (SJ) ritual system. He may not be Masonry, but he sure as heck was the SR/SJ.
Simpleman25 said:
Since his book has not been issued in decades, far fewer even know who he is.
Albion said:
No, that's not correct. He is a famous person, quite aside from his Masonic membership; and he is also well-known among anti-Masons for having written of his own insights into what Masonry meant to him. I never hear him mentioned in meetings of Masons, and his writings are never referred to--at least not in any gathering, formal or informal, that I know of or have been present for. He spoke of his feelings about Scottish Rite Masonry which relatively few Masons belong to. There's nothing in those facts that amounts to 'glossing over' anything.
What you have here is more of the same selective commentary Masons use to hide uncomfortable facts. Let's review the bidding about Albert Pike and you will see how the above comments are so misleading.

Let's let the SR/SJ speak for itself about Morals and Dogma, which is the book we are discussing:
This fundamental sourcebook of Scottish Rite philosophy is now available in a new, user-friendly, and scholarly edition! First published from 1872 to 1969, Morals and Dogma is one of the most insightful works ever prepared for Freemasonry. It is a collection of thirty-two essays which provide a rationale for the Scottish Rite degrees. It encompasses a study of Freemasonry, wise philosophy, ancient mysteries, mythology, ritual, and religion. It serves the useful purpose of putting Masonic morality and ethics within the context of the general society, and bids man to think large–to cast aside the petty concerns of everyday life and to improve ourselves. (SR/SJ website)
Note that M&D discusses and defines the degrees of the SR/SJ; thus, they are not merely his views on Freemasonry. Also note that they highlight his influence throughout Masonry, and do not limit that influence to just the SR/SJ.

Unless you had time to kill, Pike's book is heavy lifting. But it was traditionally given to every new SR/SJ Mason after he completed his 14th degree, at least up until 1974. Most promptly put it on a shelf somewhere and never read it. In 1988, the Supreme Council of the SR/SJ, recognizing such ignorance of Pike's views, published Rex Hutchens' book A Bridge to Light, which had this as its goal:
This book was designed to act as a bridge between the ceremonies of the degrees and their lectures in Morals and Dogma. (pg. 4)
In their view, it was important to know what Pike had to say. In reference to M&D, Hutchens wrote:
Contained in its pages are some of the most profound teachings of the Rite.
I've noted where many SR/SJ valleys give this book out as a gift upon completion of the 32nd degree, but I don't know if all valleys do that.

Arturo de Hoyos also noted Pike's influence in his massive Scottish Rite Ritual - Monitor and Guide:
Albert Pike was the Master Builder of the Scottish Rite and was chiefly responsible for its current development and ceremonial. His ritual revisions and philosophy have influenced those of mast Supreme Councils worldwide, and his writings are among the most insightful and profound in this history of Freemasonry. (pg. 25)
Quite simply, Pike wrote the SR rituals, which in the SJ are described as the "Revised Standard Pike Ritual."

So we can reach some conclusions about the misleading comments noted above:
1. M&D continues to be distributed in new, annotated and readable form by the SR/SJ. It's publication in original form ended in 1969, but the SR/SJ bookstore sells a new annotated edition. You can even get it with bonded leather, gilt edges and cloth markers. Too late for a Christmas gift, though.
2. Every SR Mason knows who Pike is, as do many non-SR Masons. Every SR/SJ mason who has gone through the 'Revised Standard Pike Ritual' must of, at least, heard the name.
3. M&D was not written to provide Pike's "own insights into what Masonry meant to him", nor were they to speak "of his feelings about Scottish Rite Masonry..." They were formal and authoritative explanations of the SR degrees which he himself had compiled, and are, in fact, used today. The SR gets as close as it can to Pike, while occasionally noting that no one has to believe what he says. Yet another example of intellectual cowardice.
4. One simply cannot trust the Masons on this forum to speak honestly concerning Masonic criticism. Their goal is to either ignore the criticism or misdirect it. Read any thread addressing Freemasonry and you will see many examples of both.
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Then again, an outsider, especially an anti mason, has far less knowledge than someone who's actually participated in the SR degrees.
From your comments, I'd say I know a lot more about them than you do. As a 33rd degree SR/SJ Mason, I'm sure you can diligently search for the truth about Pike in your home valley, even though you were selected at a young Masonic age, far younger than most SR Masons (just passing that along to save you time).

Finally, let's not forget Pike's view of 'god,' as previously noted in the first post:
The Supreme, Self-existent, Eternal, All-wise, All-powerful, Infinitely Good, Pitying, Beneficent, and Merciful Creator and Preserver of the Universe was the same, by whatever name he was called, to the intellectual and enlightened men of all nations. The name was nothing, if not a symbol and representative hieroglyph of his nature and attributes. The name Al represented his remoteness above men, his inaccessibility; Bal and Bala, his might; Alohim, his various potencies; Ihuh, existence and the generation of things. None of his names, among the Orientals, were the symbols of a divinely infinite love and tenderness, and all-embracing mercy. As Moloch or Malek he was but an omnipotent monarch, a tremendous and irresponsible Will; as Adonai, only an arbitrary Lord and Master; as Al Shadai, potent and a destroyer.” (Morals and Dogma, pg. 208)

I'll also pass on this commentary from A Bridge to Light:
Pike believed that certain ancient cultures possessed the Truth that God had originally given to man; as such, they had a more accurate and comprehensive knowledge of the Deity and His relationship to the universe and man than modern philosophies and religions. He referred to this kbnowledge as the "primitive religion" (p. 541), carrying the sense of 'primary', meaning first. (pg. 248)
Thus, the SR rituals are written by a man with such a philosophy and it shows. Self-proclaimed Christians who participate in Pike's rituals are thus influenced by such thoughts. And it shows. Cordially, Skip.
 
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What you have here is more of the same selective commentary Masons use to hide uncomfortable facts. Let's review the bidding about Albert Pike and you will see how the above comments are so misleading.
Even if you actually imagine that every Masonic lodge drools over Pike at every meeting, he still only spoke for himself and that is understood by us all. Of course, those folks seeking to defame Masons won't present the facts that way, since they don't fit their agenda. Simple.

What's more, I am a Mason but I don't belong to Scottish Rite Masonry--which is what Pike wrote about and you have referred to. I am therefore, no more involved with him than you are. Less, actually. And that raises interesting and logical questions. You claim to be a Christian, and I claim to be a Christian. Am I, therefore, to blame for what you do to promote yourself? Is Christianity at fault?
 
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Albion,

Those without eyes will never see, those without ears will never hear.

To the readers,

Please don't confuse the inane ramblings of an anti mason over those of us that have actually participated in Freemasonry.
Unless of course you would trust someone that has read a book on a subject vs someone that had actually participated in the subject.

This is usually the point in a thread where the anti mason becomes so enraged that they will say something in order to get the thread shut down. One only has to look at the many closed threads in this forum to get a picture of how they do this.
The anti mason gets so enraged since they can't argue effectively against what they haven't participated in. One could read every GL document from around the globe, yet still not understand fully.

As my brothers and I have stated prior on this forum, if you really want to know something, message us. American Vet has been through York rite, I've been through Scottish rite, Albion is a knowledgeable brother. Circuitrider has a unique perspective as a minister and a mason.

Many of you have messaged me over my time here and have learned many new concepts of masonry. Without the clutter and sabotage of an anti mason.
 
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Thank you for that clarification, but the sentence in question was written in purely in a matter of fact manner. I didn't intend to indict you or anyone else in particular when I said that anti-Masons are always trying to say that Masons promote pagan gods. It was to say that I recognize the charge because it's so common.


God has many names yet he never calls Himself the Great Architect of the Universe in the meaning freemasonry does, as subsuming all gods (actually demons) and Himself. The GAOTU is one such god.



Simply not following God is following what is led by the devil.



Moreover, many gods (which do not exist, what is being worshipped are demons whether or not understood by the worshipper) are part of Masonry.


Jubilee Resources Prayer to Renounce Freemasonry:



Jubilee Resources | Freemasonry




Under “Sublime Princes of the Royal Secret” it says:

“I renounce the oaths take and the curses and iniquities involved in the Thirty-First Degree of Masonry, the Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander. I renounce all the gods and goddesses of Egypt which are honored in this degree, including Anubis with the jackals head, Osiris the Sun god, Isis the sister and wife of Osiris and also the moon goddess. I renounce the Soul of Cheres, the false symbol of immortality, the Chamber of the dead and the false teaching of reincarnation.”


The term “anti-mason” is sometimes used to create an impression that those involved in Masonry are discriminated against. The more accurate term is “anti-Masonry.”
 
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That said, I still wonder that you expected me to take from that lengthy reprint about something written by Albert Pike. Albert Pike is Albert Pike. He's not Masonry. Masonry encourages its members to develop their own value systems and tens of millions of men have done just that--men who were Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, unaffiliated, and many more.

If Pike contemplated something more esoteric than the rest of us, that's his thinking and nothing more. I know Christian priests and bishops who are Masons. Would it make sense to say that their personal religious beliefs are "What Masonry stands for?" I would think not. Everyone would resist that notion, but when it comes to something Pike wrote more than a century ago, it's red meat for anyone giving a speech against Masonry.



Albert Pike, along with Albert Mackey and Manly P. Hall, is among the foremost philosophers of Masonry. Pike promoted the idea that everyone should follow their own ideas while creating the unity embedded in the structure of freemasonry.



It is commonly said among Masons, in dealing with Pike, that his ideas were just his own. They say he was just one man, whose ideas are no more or less important than any other.



In reality, Pike being a writer of freemasonry, his ideas were sent around the planet. He was an honorary member of many lodges around the world because his ideas resonated with others.


Freemason Albert Pike | Masonic Dictionary | www.masonicdictionary.com


Albert Pike is the man who re-wrote the Scottish Rite. Whether or not he is read by Masons, those who are in the Scottish Rite jump through his hoops. They say and do and follow his philosophy regardless of having read him or not.



Even those who are at the Entered Apprentice—the Blue Lodge’s first level—and who are in a lodge with the Scottish Rite, help pay the electric and other bills, and subsidize the teachings of Pike.



It’s disingenuous to claim that any of the philosophers of freemasonry were simply speaking for themselves. A freemason who disagrees with their teachings cannot unchain themselves from their ideas, which permeate freemasonry today.
 
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God has many names yet he never calls Himself the Great Architect of the Universe in the meaning freemasonry does, as subsuming all gods (actually demons) and Himself. The GAOTU is one such god.
Did you reason that out somehow? Masonry does not have such a "meaning" for the Deity, does not suppose or teach that all religions are equal, or "subsume all gods"--since Masonry is, by definition, monotheistic. As a result there are no "all gods."


Moreover, many gods (which do not exist, what is being worshipped are demons whether or not understood by the worshipper) are part of Masonry.

That's completely false.


Under “Sublime Princes of the Royal Secret” it says:

“I renounce the oaths take and the curses and iniquities involved in the Thirty-First Degree of Masonry, the Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander. I renounce all the gods and goddesses of Egypt which are honored in this degree, including Anubis with the jackals head, Osiris the Sun god, Isis the sister and wife of Osiris and also the moon goddess. I renounce the Soul of Cheres, the false symbol of immortality, the Chamber of the dead and the false teaching of reincarnation.”

So what if something called "Jubilee Resources" says such a thing? Do you also believe the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and in the existence of Bigfoot and Piltdown Man?

The term “anti-mason” is sometimes used to create an impression that those involved in Masonry are discriminated against. The more accurate term is “anti-Masonry.”

Let's see. So you want me to know that I am a follower of false gods even though you know that I, a Mason, have never read or heard read or written that paragraph above entitled "Sublime Princes....etc.?" But you don't think I should consider it personal?

:doh: Would you like to think that one over for a bit?
 
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