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Why does the bible need to be interpreted by others?

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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

So, why does God's word need interpreting?
 

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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

So, why does God's word need interpreting?

God is the author of the entire BIble and he used VERY devoted, righteous, sold-out, mature men and women of God to record Gods thoughts for all of mankind to enjoy , grow personally, and to come to know the Creator of the Unvierse. It can be trusted in every way, its truths are unchangeable yet apply to every generation , and it has real life changing power which millions of people can attest to including myself. It has changed the worst of criminals, given insight/peace/and wisdom to Presidents, Generals, and every Professional in addition to the common man woman and child. It is penetrating with its truth and wisdom . The Bible represents all of our modern sciences and told of scientific processes and fact long before modern science finally got around to confirming them to be true. About 25% of the entire BIble deals with prophecy which has come true, is taking place now, or will come true in the future concerning Rulers, Land, Wars, a coming Messiah for the first and second time, the condition of mans continued moral degradation, and other aspects of sociology.

There is no other book like it that changes the heart, views, motives, and actions of a Man ; no other man-inspired book even comes close . It has real power for change .

God intended all to read it , understand it, and apply it to their lives especially the Gospel Message that secures ones eternal salvation from sins . Its primary theme is the redemption of Mankind followed by the redemption of the physical world that was thrown into chaos but will be completely restored as it was initially created by God. The Bible disproves ALL OTHER RELIGIONS and philosophies that come up against it and there is more internal and external evidences for the credibility of the Bible than any other literary work, ever. All One has to do is be willing to go looking for it without bias. If you are such a person, then the book called :'I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist' by Geisler and Turek will give you the evidences for the Bible in the last half of the book while the first half of the book totally exposes atheism as a worldview for the fallacy that it is. http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Eno...rds=i+dont+have+enough+faith+to+be+an+atheist

In the Bible there are precious FEW issues and passages that cant be fully understood or where there is great controversy on ; ALL of the essential Christian Doctrines , how to live, how to act, how to treat others, et al...are plainly listed and all CHristian Denominations agree with them.

The only question left is : TO WHAT DEPTH does the Reader want to understand what the Bible is saying . And if you want to go deeper in any particular passage then you can consult a scholarly commentary to get more insight as to the culture, circumstances, reasoning, etc....at the time . If you want to squeeze the most out of reading the Bible, then a very short understanding of Bible Hermanuetics would come in handy as there as just a few principles to apply when trying to understand the Bible more fully . You can get that easily with a google search under : Bible Hermanuetic Principles.

Lastly, as the devoted Follower of Christ comes more and more up to speed, the very Holy Spirit of God will illuminate the Bible to oneself to gleem greater opportunities for daily application.

Finally, without doubt, the Bible is the greatest book ever written / will continue to be the best seller year after year around the world / will continue to change People from the inside out / and will continue to be confirmed by all our sciences as an absolute truth source while continuing to expose competing worldviews such as atheistic Secular Humanism as the highly deceptive indoctrination that it has been including its affirmations of pseudo-science such as Materialism, Naturalism, Abiogenesis, Darwinnian Evolution, relative Morality (if you want it at all) , and other philosophies that contribute to the moral squalor of Society so Man can live as he likes . For further reading on this issue : http://www.christianforums.com/t7841230/

If you want to talk privately, id be please to do so and I can share more fully how the Bible has become easy for me to read and how its changed Me remarkably.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

In one thread, where I tried to talk to you, you quoted several verses out of context and then got mad at me when I explained to you that the previous and following verses were important to understanding the verse you isolated.

I don't see how you can hope to "understand what is written", when you continue to ignore what is written.

This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

This isn't The Matrix, where God downloads information directly into your brain. You have the scriptures and you're expected to use proper hermeneutic principles and, frankly, common sense, to understand them.

That you chose not to do that doesn't detract from the inspiration or inerrant nature of the Bible.

So, why does God's word need interpreting?

Any exposition is interpreting.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.
Yes, that is true. But, with communication (which is what writing is), the author is trying to draw a mental image in the recipient's mind. The recipient therefore has as much and probably more responsibility to ensure the mental image is what the speaker is attempting to draw.

Now, you should know that the truth is not always welcome. If it happens that the recipient of a communication does not welcome the message the speaker is attempting to convey, they might find it more satifying to distort what is said in order to draw a mental image that is palatable. This is much easier to do with written communication where the author is not available to correct a misinterpretation, such as with the writings in the bible.

That may be happening on your part, or it may be happening on the part of those who are accusing you, but either way you can see that the communication is being distorted by our preferences.
This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.
I would like to know how you might justify the idea that it is written by people who were not inspired by God. Can you describe that to me?
If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.
The bible is not the Word of God. It does contain some words which are attributed to God. The Word of God is and always has been with God and is God. The bible is not God. The Word of God speaks to us when we read the bible, and even when we are not reading the bible. The Word of God speaks to prophets and priests, and anyone and everyone. Some people recognise it, some people don't.

This is written of Jesus:

So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.

This is something Jesus has said:

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

This is also written of Jesus:

Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written.

Therefore, according to terminology of the bible (which you are clearly using, hence the capitalized "W"), the bible cannot be the Word of God.
If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality?
Why wuld they not?
Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?
Context and common sense. What is the origin of so-called comparable claims? Are they said to have been witnessed by real people at a real time, or have they originated as myth, or just popped into existence by divine revelation? Then, taking those claims that are comparable in reliability (which does exclude some claims in the bible), why do you think they cannot be based on reality? If you are serious about this point, we really should be looking at examples.
So, why does God's word need interpreting?
I assume you refer to the bible here. I don't think it does need interpreting. I think it needs understanding, and the truth it contins needs to be accepted. Now if you are referring to the Word of God as it is understood by the prophets and authors of the bible, then I think it too does not need interpreting. I also don't know if it needs anything really, since it is literally God Himself. If there is anything He needed, I expect He would obtain it.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written...

Why do you say that, when the bible itself says the exact opposite?
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

The Bible is generally easy to read, but easy to read does not necessarily equate to one arriving at a correct interpretation.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it.

Generally speaking, Christians don't believe God "wrote" the Bible in the sense of Him choosing each word or verbally dictating the texts, though such a fringe view may exist in certain fundamentalist or evangelical circles.

In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

Every time anyone reads something (or sees something, hears something, etc), they begin to interpret. Human beings will process information & decide what to do with it. There is no way around that. This has nothing to do with how easy the Bible may be to read, but how each person processes what they read & finding out how to measure that against how Christians have historically & traditionally interpreted any given passage, cultural & linguistic considerations with the texts, etc.

If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

I consider the Bible to be a collection of different texts, of history, allegory, poetry, etc that tell the story of how God's people have understood Him, & ultimately points to the Christian hope found in Jesus.

For me, the Christian narrative is far more compelling than other religions. I can't offer "proof," if that's what you're looking for. No one can. But I look at the evidence that I find convincing (i.e. characteristics of the Gospel accounts of Jesus) & consider the hope of Christianity to be far more holistic than anything else I've ever come across. So I have faith. I'm all in.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.
This is what I don't understand:
Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.
If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.
If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

So, why does God's word need interpreting?

i think you already know. Yhvh is very perfectly able to let you or me or anyone else seeking His Life (see Hebrews, first 3 verses, plus the rest).

however, we live in a world dominated by the enemy for now. the religious world is also, so
what would you expect 'them' (anyone) to say ?

meanwhile, love Yhvh, seek Yhvh's Face, Trust Yahshua's Faithfulness,
and never, never, never accept the deception of antichrists who say that you have to listen to them instead.

you will suffer if you choose to live righteously (just as Scripture says)
and
Yahshua says to His Own disciples "I(the Messiah/Savior/Yahshua) know that you don't know how(to accomplish Yhvh's Directions); don't worry, trust Me, I WILL SHOW YOU HOW." (how to live unselfishly, obedient to the Creator, in union with Him)
 
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Can you please provide the quote you are referencing?

2 Peter 3:14-16
Therefore, beloved, since you await these things, be eager to be found without spot or blemish before him, at peace. And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.​
 
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2 Peter 3:14-16
Therefore, beloved, since you await these things, be eager to be found without spot or blemish before him, at peace. And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.​
Ok, thank you. This statement says that St Paul's writing (of which, the specific writings are not listed, btw) contains things that are hard to understand, but does not say that other writings in the bible are difficult to understand (and let's acknowledge that the author of 2 Peter did not know the structure of the bible at the time).

I agree that some of St Paul's writings are difficult to understand, as they require very careful attention to detail and discernment of what is being said and what is not being said. But, St Paul's writings are probably not difficult for us to understand in the sense that the writer of 2 Peter spoke of, since we have had two thousand years of context and understanding to assist us in understanding the things he was writing about. Much of contemporary Christian thought is based on and derived from the understanding of St Paul's, writings, which the early Christians would have found comparatively foreign in their time. I understand that to be what the writer of 2 Peter had in mind when this statement was made.

The second thing said here is that ignorant and unstable readers will distort scripture in general. It might be useful for OP to look at the reason why the author would choose those words to describe the type of people that will distort scripture. Ignorance = not having/wanting to have correct knowledge, and unstable = not sure in their faith.

Thank you for providing this verse, I can see that I don't need to correct my statement after all, and hopefully OP can see how to make sense of the apparent contradiction in what you and I have said here.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

Why would you make that assumption?

The Bible was not written to 21st century English-speaking Westerners; it was written within the context of its own history, culture, and language. The Old Testament was chiefly written by a Semitic people in the Bronze Age in the Levant, their language was Hebrew. The New Testament was written chiefly by Jewish persons living in the Hellenized and Romanized world of the Roman Empire in Greek--specifically Koine, the common Greek of the ordinary man.

Interpreting Scripture means exegesis: extracting meaning from the text by seeking to understand what the authors themselves meant by seeking to understand how they thought, that means engaging with the specific issues surrounding the text as well as couching the text within the broader cultural context of the period.

That doesn't mean that you, someone with only a high school education, can't engage in the exegetical process; but it does mean that you can't do it properly without equipping yourself with the proper tools. You wouldn't attempt to read Homer, Shakespeare, or Chaucer without using the appropriate tools to properly grasp the author's meaning would you? So if you wouldn't do that with them, why would you do it with a collection of texts even more alien to the modern mind than these?

This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

God didn't write the Bible. We consider the authors inspired, but they wrote in their language, they used their literary methods and tools for their intended target audience. The Bible wasn't written to you or to me, it was written to a diverse set of audiences depending on which text we are talking about. St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans was written to the Christian community in Rome, and addresses a conflict between Jewish and Gentile Christians in that community. That's necessary context in order to make any sense of the text.

If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

So, why does God's word need interpreting?

You are presenting a false dichotomy.

It's either a book written by God, or else it's just an interesting literary collection.

A majority Christian position is that these texts are, indeed, inspired by God, and thus received as Sacred Scripture, as word of God; not as a book written by God to us, but as a collection of texts gathered and collected by the Christian Church in which we see the divine witness speaking the Living Word of Jesus Himself to us. And thus we preach these words to one another for our own edification and the building up of our faith in Jesus.

The Bible does not exist independently of the times and cultures in which these texts were produced; neither does the Bible exist independently of the Church that receives, hears, believes, and confesses it as Sacred Word.

All reading is interpretation. There's no such thing as not interpreting a text. Just as all hearing is interpretation, the moment someone has said something and it is processed in your brain, it is filtered and interpreted.

The question therefore becomes not whether or not the Bible should be interpreted, but HOW it should be interpreted. And that process has always been the work of a living community of people believing and confessing these texts as holy and inspired. Individuals working in community is how the Bible has always been read.

That's how the Bible came into existence in the first place, these were texts read out loud in the gathered community of worshiping Faithful. Christians coming together to literally hear the Scriptures read out loud, the Bible is the result of centuries of Christian consensus on what is, indeed, worthy to be read in the churches. What is, indeed and truly, what has been left to us as the faithful testimony of Jesus. Which is why the Church as a whole would come to reject some popular texts, like the Shepherd of Hermas, written around 140-155 AD, because it was so late. In other cases texts were questionable because there was no discernible apostolic authority (the Epistle to the Hebrews, the Didache), or because its apostolic authorship was regarded as suspect (e.g. 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John).

The history of the Biblical Canon is the history of a small collection of texts being circulated, some being disputed (Antilegomena) and some universally accepted from about as early as anyone even talks about the subject at all. But in all cases it is about what is to be read in the churches, read out loud as part of the Church's gathering for worship (liturgy), and thus the history of the Canon, the reading and receiving of Holy Scripture, is the history of Christians living and worshiping in community. You can't divorce the two.

When Martin Luther lamented that the common man could not hear the Scriptures in his own tongue it was not because he advocated an interpretation free-for-all; but because he believed that if the ordinary Christian (who couldn't understand Latin, Greek, or Hebrew) could hear the Scriptures in his own tongue then the ordinary Christian could--in the unity of faith within the Church--hear and truly confess the Word, and truly know the Word. Luther also advocated--thanks to the recent technological miracle of the moveable type printing press--the publication of Bibles in the common tongue to facilitate even more frequent hearing of the Scriptures (the literate could read, the illiterate could hear). But, again, not to produce an interpretation free-for-all apart from the Christian Community, the Church, but as more fully integrated participants in the processes of the Church. A fundamental tenet of the Reformation was a more full integration and participation of the Laity in the ecclesiastical structures of the Church, for example advocating congregational singing, the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular, the reception of the Lord's Supper in both kinds.

But it was also individuals in community.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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When Martin Luther lamented that the common man could not hear the Scriptures in his own tongue it was not because he advocated an interpretation free-for-all; but because he believed that if the ordinary Christian (who couldn't understand Latin, Greek, or Hebrew) could hear the Scriptures in his own tongue then the ordinary Christian could--in the unity of faith within the Church--hear and truly confess the Word, and truly know the Word.

-CryptoLutheran
OP, if you don't mind I want to show you one more statement about what the Word is according to an understanding of an author in the bible, because it fits really well with what ViaCrucis said here:

In him [the Word] was life, and that life was the light of all mankind

.. If anything is worthwhile for you about this, it is to really understand verses 1-4 and 14 in the first chapter of John. You will need to read it carefully and several times and really think hard about what it means, but it does describe very succinctly what the Word of God was understood to be by the author of that text.
 
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In one thread, where I tried to talk to you, you quoted several verses out of context and then got mad at me when I explained to you that the previous and following verses were important to understanding the verse you isolated.

Sorry if it appeared I was mad. I certainly wasn't.

And I didn't quote any verses out of context. I read the verses before and after, there was no quote mining.

I don't see how you can hope to "understand what is written", when you continue to ignore what is written.

I didn't ignore what was written. I read exactly what was written and interpreted it exactly as it was written.
 
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The only question left is : TO WHAT DEPTH does the Reader want to understand what the Bible is saying .

I accepted the words at face value.

And if you want to go deeper in any particular passage then you can consult a scholarly commentary to get more insight as to the culture, circumstances, reasoning, etc....at the time .

Here are two verses that I was told needed interpreting:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


God clearly sanctions slavery. God clearly says it is ok to beat a slave so badly that they survive for two days, then die.

There is no justification that makes God's command moral.
 
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The quote function isn't working with your post, I'll just reply.

Two verses I was told needed interpreting are in my Post #15, in which god sanctions slavery, and then says it is OK to beat a slave almost to death.

Yes, I can see why some Christians feel the need to try to change the meaning, they are very unpalatable.

oi_antz:
I would like to know how you might justify the idea that it is written by people who were not inspired by God. Can you describe that to me?

I wasn't trying to justify anything. I always take what is written in the bible to be the Word of God, whether written by him, or inspired by him. Otherwise why would anyone believe what is written?

oi_antz:
The bible is not the Word of God. It does contain some words which are attributed to God. The Word of God is and always has been with God and is God.

If the bible isn't the word of God, then why does anyone believe it? I can't understand this.

oi_antz:
Why wuld they not? (TFY - Believe it is true if it wasn't written by god)

Because then why wouldn't I believe Harry Potter is true? This seems like the path to gullibility, not truth.
 
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The Bible is generally easy to read, but easy to read does not necessarily equate to one arriving at a correct interpretation.

It is very easy to arrive at the correct interpretation. Just as it is when we read Harry Potter.

Generally speaking, Christians don't believe God "wrote" the Bible in the sense of Him choosing each word or verbally dictating the texts, though such a fringe view may exist in certain fundamentalist or evangelical circles.

Every time anyone reads something (or sees something, hears something, etc), they begin to interpret. Human beings will process information & decide what to do with it. There is no way around that. This has nothing to do with how easy the Bible may be to read, but how each person processes what they read & finding out how to measure that against how Christians have historically & traditionally interpreted any given passage, cultural & linguistic considerations with the texts, etc.

Here are two verses that I was told needed interpreting:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

But these don't need interpretation. They state very clearly that God sanctions slavery, and sanctions beating slaves nearly to death.

This is immoral behaviour. Yet Christians say God is moral. It makes no sense.
 
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When I quote bible verses, I am often told that I am not interpreting them correctly. Yet anyone with a high school education (something I have), should be able to easily understand what is written.

This is what I don't understand:

Either the bible is the Word of God, written by Him or someone inspired by Him, or it's not.

If it's the Word of God, then surely God is capable of writing what he means, and doesn't need someone else to interpret it. In fact, I would think interpretation is blasphemy, implying that God can't write at a high school level.

If it is not the Word of God, then it is merely an anthology of stories written by men, and why would anyone think the supernatural claims in the bible are based on reality? Why would I consider these claims to hold more truth than all the other supernatural claims made by man, such as those regarding Mithra, Allah, the Dreamtime, etc.?

So, why does God's word need interpreting?

Didn't Paul say people would have problems handling the simplicity of Christ?

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinth 11:3

And, since Christ is the actual living word of God, that means the Word of God is simple - at least to Paul.

Perhaps the patriarchs "got it" because they were with the soirce, and even He charged them as spiritual leaders for themselves and others. The Holy Spirit guides people - whether that be a 10 second epiphiny, or a 40 year journey of enlightenment (like several patriarchs have had to go through.) Usually, God does this to clench people of the main confusion that causes problems with others:

TRADITIONS AND DOCTRINE OF MEN . God never said said His word needs a human to interpret it.


Now, on a practical level, a good history of how the bible was written, why, and the politics of the respective times will give more insight on the bible canon, and a canon does not constitute an entire collection, just what is accepted. The bible is a canon.
 
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Why would you make that assumption?

The Bible was not written to 21st century English-speaking Westerners; it was written within the context of its own history, culture, and language. The Old Testament was chiefly written by a Semitic people in the Bronze Age in the Levant, their language was Hebrew. The New Testament was written chiefly by Jewish persons living in the Hellenized and Romanized world of the Roman Empire in Greek--specifically Koine, the common Greek of the ordinary man.

Interpreting Scripture means exegesis: extracting meaning from the text by seeking to understand what the authors themselves meant by seeking to understand how they thought, that means engaging with the specific issues surrounding the text as well as couching the text within the broader cultural context of the period.

So it's all a "best" guess? What kind of a God refuses to ensure that His Word is understandable and true, and then sends people to hell for eternal torture if they refuse to believe someone else's guess.

It makes no sense.



That doesn't mean that you, someone with only a high school education, can't engage in the exegetical process; but it does mean that you can't do it properly without equipping yourself with the proper tools.

Actually I have a couple of university degrees from accredited institutions (and thus have a high school education). I have the "proper tools" to understand what is written thank you very much.

You wouldn't attempt to read Homer, Shakespeare, or Chaucer without using the appropriate tools to properly grasp the author's meaning would you? So if you wouldn't do that with them, why would you do it with a collection of texts even more alien to the modern mind than these?

Because Homer, Shakespeare and Chaucer aren't supposedly written by a supreme being. And I'm not being told I should live my life using their writings as a guide.


You are presenting a false dichotomy.

It's either a book written by God, or else it's just an interesting literary collection.

A majority Christian position is that these texts are, indeed, inspired by God, and thus received as Sacred Scripture, as word of God; not as a book written by God to us, but as a collection of texts gathered and collected by the Christian Church in which we see the divine witness speaking the Living Word of Jesus Himself to us. And thus we preach these words to one another for our own edification and the building up of our faith in Jesus.

It is not a false dichotomy. Either the words of the bible are written/inspired by God or they aren't. You saying maybe doesn't change that.

The Council of Nicaea got to decide what went into the bible, and what stayed out. Were they divinely inspired? If they were, then surely God would have made sure His Word was passed on clearly and truly, or else why would he have bothered inspiring them? As well, if God knew the words were being passed on incorrectly, didn't change them, but expected us to believe them as true, then he is lying. If they weren't, then these are simply best guesses. Accepting someone else' best guesses, when they have no evidence to back up those guesses, is the path to gullibility, not truth.

The Bible does not exist independently of the times and cultures in which these texts were produced; neither does the Bible exist independently of the Church that receives, hears, believes, and confesses it as Sacred Word.

All reading is interpretation. There's no such thing as not interpreting a text. Just as all hearing is interpretation, the moment someone has said something and it is processed in your brain, it is filtered and interpreted.

The question therefore becomes not whether or not the Bible should be interpreted, but HOW it should be interpreted. And that process has always been the work of a living community of people believing and confessing these texts as holy and inspired. Individuals working in community is how the Bible has always been read.

That's how the Bible came into existence in the first place, these were texts read out loud in the gathered community of worshiping Faithful. Christians coming together to literally hear the Scriptures read out loud, the Bible is the result of centuries of Christian consensus on what is, indeed, worthy to be read in the churches. What is, indeed and truly, what has been left to us as the faithful testimony of Jesus. Which is why the Church as a whole would come to reject some popular texts, like the Shepherd of Hermas, written around 140-155 AD, because it was so late. In other cases texts were questionable because there was no discernible apostolic authority (the Epistle to the Hebrews, the Didache), or because its apostolic authorship was regarded as suspect (e.g. 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John).

The history of the Biblical Canon is the history of a small collection of texts being circulated, some being disputed (Antilegomena) and some universally accepted from about as early as anyone even talks about the subject at all. But in all cases it is about what is to be read in the churches, read out loud as part of the Church's gathering for worship (liturgy), and thus the history of the Canon, the reading and receiving of Holy Scripture, is the history of Christians living and worshiping in community. You can't divorce the two.

When Martin Luther lamented that the common man could not hear the Scriptures in his own tongue it was not because he advocated an interpretation free-for-all; but because he believed that if the ordinary Christian (who couldn't understand Latin, Greek, or Hebrew) could hear the Scriptures in his own tongue then the ordinary Christian could--in the unity of faith within the Church--hear and truly confess the Word, and truly know the Word. Luther also advocated--thanks to the recent technological miracle of the moveable type printing press--the publication of Bibles in the common tongue to facilitate even more frequent hearing of the Scriptures (the literate could read, the illiterate could hear). But, again, not to produce an interpretation free-for-all apart from the Christian Community, the Church, but as more fully integrated participants in the processes of the Church. A fundamental tenet of the Reformation was a more full integration and participation of the Laity in the ecclesiastical structures of the Church, for example advocating congregational singing, the celebration of the Mass in the vernacular, the reception of the Lord's Supper in both kinds.

But it was also individuals in community.

-CryptoLutheran


So God couldn't be bothered ensuring that His Word was passed on clearly and truly. But he expects me to believe his word, or else he will torture me for all eternity.

I can't imagine a more immoral act.
 
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