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Study finds moral equality between religious and nonreligious
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Smidlee
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One of the problems is exactly the same with our government, they are being flooded by paper work. There are so many papers being published only a fraction are retested to see it they are correct. Sometimes even the original author fails to produce the their past results. Often if the paper fits the circuit view it's accepted without question.
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I see if I can another without subscribing.
Find another one on the issue http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1439
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dian-view-end-peer-review-scientific-journals
"Nature and the BMJ, like all serious scientific journals, rely on peer review to establish the authority of the papers they publish, and peer review, it appears, is less reliable than it sounds"
Find another one on the issue http://www.michaeleisen.org/blog/?p=1439
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dian-view-end-peer-review-scientific-journals
"Nature and the BMJ, like all serious scientific journals, rely on peer review to establish the authority of the papers they publish, and peer review, it appears, is less reliable than it sounds"
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That's not what I meant. I meant did the study mentioned in the OP fail peer review?
But if you are saying that no studies can be trusted because peer review can't be trusted, then I can't trust any of the studies TheyCallMeDavid had mentioned for yet another reason.
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And you'd be wrong....yet again!
You can look as hard as you like. You will NEVER find an example of me stating that "there is no God".
I don't believe in gods. I lead my life as if there are no gods. But, as a rational person, I must leave open the possibility that a god or gods might exist, no matter how tiny that possibility is.
The very small number of atheists who do make that statement are not those that I agree with.
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The excuse of 'self righteousness' are empty words since its ATHEISTS themselves that rated each of the moral principles and lifestyle choices in the unbiased Studies listed --- as far as I know, there were no Christians standing at back of the Atheist Responders with a sharp axe or spear held at their carrated artery . If they did, then your mantra would be validated and I hereby apologize.
The excuse of 'pseudo science' are empty words since the Studies were conducted fairly by unbiased Sources in a very scientific manner allowing complete free will for the Responders to answer as they desire based on their truthful experiences. If somebody stood behind them with an AK47 forcing them to give erroneous answers and claimed it was science, then your mantra would be validated and again, I would hereby apologize.
As for Christians .... before they became Christians they would have answered pretty much the same as their atheist counterparts did since they were once indoctrinated with atheistic Secular Humanism and lived their life accordingly ; but since receiving Christ into their Soul and life, they have become a new creation getting a new nature which is distant from the culture . You could experience the distinctive change too plus have the status of a Child Of God so you can spend eternity in Heaven with our incredible infinite Creator -- whatever your Will desires.
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As quoted in my last post.
Well according to wiki
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.
So though atheists generally say there is no evidence for a God there are some atheists who believe there is no God. They will tell you there is no God. You hear it time and time again on these forums. So that is their belief that there is no God.
Don't you believe there is no God. I think if I checked out what you have said in the past by the way you strongly disagree I would say you have stated that there is no God.
I dont have to go and look back at whether you have stated that you dont believe there is a God as you just said it. Thats what I am trying to say that people have beliefs in things. One of those is a belief that there is no God. This is what many atheists say that there is no God or gods. So they believe that there are no gods just like you admitted now. So your belief is there is no gods. This is based on a faith as you dont have evidence to completely rule that out that there are no gods.
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You are aware of the difference between "I believe there is no God" and "I don't believe in God", right?
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Steve,
You read what you want to read.
Do atheists believe there is a God? Of course not, they don't see any evidence or logical reason to believe one exists. Similar to you not believing in the religious beliefs of those who pray to a different God than you.
Now, do atheists claim it is impossible that a God does exist? I don't claim it is impossible, nor have I seen anyone else on this sight claim it was impossible. There may be atheists that do make this claim, but they are few and far between and would be the opposite of a Christian who claims; it is impossible for a God not to exist.
Does that make sense Steve?
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Semantics really. Same charade (One that I used to play quite some time ago myself) . Professed Atheists know that it takes a personal, intelligent, willful, information-based Creator for effects which are robust in personal, intelligent, information-based entities ---- to want a First Cause that is material only / a non personal Force or whatever.... is something that the Atheist doesn't truly believe in for No One can have that much faith in the incredulous . 'Not believing' is not wanting Ones lifestyle MO interrupted. That's why atheistic Secular Humanism is so likable ... even if it is untrue , promises nothing, and cant deliver ultimate meaning and purpose = http://www.christianforums.com/t7841230/
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I don't know that.
I don't believe that there is a first cause of existence, but I do truly believe that the first cause of change is non-personal only, and I don't see this as any more incredulous than believing that electromagnetism is a non-personal force.
True, I don't want my honesty with myself interrupted. I don't want to lie to myself about reality. That "lifestyle" is important to me.
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Mark, You do know that. But knowledge can easily be suppressed so we can get what we want .
Anything that comes to exist, must have a Cause. When that thing is made up of the highly personal, requiring incredible intelligence, and has information to it (such as DNA messages in the form of specific instructions to build a cell), the Cause is the occupies the same qualities .
Yes, lifestyle choices are very important to people ; some which an infinitely moral Creator would not approve of and which would be condemned . They way to get around this is to convince yourself that the Creator of the Universe isn't real, doesn't care , or wont hold you accountable . Atheism is a manmade religion (Secular Humanism for today) .
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Originally Posted by bhsmte
Trying to convince yourself you know how atheists think again?
REPLY: I already know so no convincing is necessary. Im convinced.
REPLY: I already know so no convincing is necessary. Im convinced.
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Originally Posted by bhsmte
Trying to convince yourself you know how atheists think again?
REPLY: I already know so no convincing is necessary. Im convinced.
Good for you.
I guess then, you could educate the entire board on what each atheist thinks and then just for kicks, actually try to support it.
Now, that will be fun to watch.
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