Do you agree with this statement?

[Rick Otto]

...supremacists and superlatives are inseparable.

 

[mmksparbud]

No, but the way I've seen you explain it in previous posts is definitely minimalist!

What previous posts??

 

[MoreCoffee]

The ones you've written about this subject in the past. Don't ask me to search them out. You ought to remember what you believed in the past, it is probably what you believe now.

 

[mmksparbud]

The one's you've written about this subject in the past. Don't ask me to search them out. You ought to remember what you believed in the past, it is probably what you believe now.

I'll bow to your memory---mine is shot full of holes.

 

[Lion King]

It is amazing how far folk will go to minimise statements made in praise of the blessed virgin Mary. Truly amazing.

Are you offended that I don't consider Mary to be my only spiritual mother?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

...supremacists and superlatives are inseparable.

Said daffy duck.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are you offended that I don't consider Mary to be my only spiritual mother?

Not offended but amazed ... not surprised but almost dismayed ... it isn't that I expect you to behave as if you were a Catholic Christian. It's more a case of watching the comments made in the thread, the squirming and wriggling in words and ideas and all to diminish Mary as if she was somehow to blame for those things that some of you think excessive in the devotion of others to Christ and God through their praise of Blessed Mary.

 

[George95]

MOD HAT ON

Moved to Mariology & Hagiography from General Theology.

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[Lion King]

Not offended but amazed ... not surprised but almost dismayed ... it isn't that I expect you to behave as if you were a Catholic Christian. It's more a case of watching the comments made in the thread, the squirming and wriggling in words and ideas and all to diminish Mary as if she was somehow to blame for those things that some of you think excessive in the devotion of others to Christ and God through their praise of Blessed Mary.

Sarah
Ruth
Rachel
Mary Magdalene
Elizabeth
Hannah
Esther
Rahab
Deborah


Do you see these biblical women as your spiritual mothers?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sarah
Ruth
Rachel
Mary Magdalene
Elizabeth
Hannah
Esther
Rahab
Deborah


Do you see these biblical women as your spiritual mothers?

Some yes, others I am not sure if they were mothers ....I haven't checked their stories recently.

None of them is mother of the church. Wasn't that the title that prompted all this? Mary being mother of Jesus Christ whose body is the Church therefore implying that Mary's motherhood has a a spiritual link to the Church?

 

[mmksparbud]

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

I'd still like to know what others think of these verses as far as Christs answer goes. Had he wanted His mother to have more prominence would He not have said things just a little bit differently?? If He did not place her above His disciples, why would anyone else do so? I do believe her position as His mother demands respect--just not adoration.

 

[Lion King]

Some yes, others I am not sure if they were mothers ....I haven't checked their stories recently.

None of them is mother of the church. Wasn't that the title that prompted all this? Mary being mother of Jesus Christ whose body is the Church therefore implying that Mary's motherhood has a a spiritual link to the Church?

Mother of the Church?

The Church has NO mother.


PS. I believe what prompted this was the statement that "if you claim to be part of His Church you must have Mary as your mother".

 

[Rick Otto]

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

I'd still like to know what others think of these verses as far as Christs answer goes. Had he wanted His mother to have more prominence would He not have said things just a little bit differently?? If He did not place her above His disciples, why would anyone else do so? I do believe her position as His mother demands respect--just not adoration.

 

[Rick Otto]

Mother of the Church?

The Church has NO mother.


PS. I believe what prompted this was the statement that "if you claim to be part of His Church you must have Mary as your mother".

It could easily be said that without any one particular believer, The Church would not be The Church.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Mother of the Church?

The Church has NO mother.

That's strange, I could of sworn that Jesus had a mom, and her name was Mary.

I also seem to recall Scripture calling the Church the Body of Christ.

Probably my imagination.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Targaryen]

That's strange, I could of sworn that Jesus had a mom, and her name was Mary.

I also seem to recall Scripture calling the Church the Body of Christ.

Probably my imagination.

-CryptoLutheran

Huh? Me and you having the same imagination....weird.

 

[Rick Otto]

That's strange, I could of sworn that Jesus had a mom, and her name was Mary.

I also seem to recall Scripture calling the Church the Body of Christ.

Probably my imagination.

-CryptoLutheran

It only seems strange because you are confusing the literal sense with the figurative sense.
Let's be sensible.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Mother of the Church?

The Church has NO mother.

PS. I believe what prompted this was the statement that "if you claim to be part of His Church you must have Mary as your mother".

Well, I am very sure that Jesus had Mary as his mother. Isn't Jesus head of the church? So Mary is mother of the head of the church.

I guess this is one of those cases where I see matters in a different light from you. God bless us both ... I sure hope he will

 

[Lion King]

That's strange, I could of sworn that Jesus had a mom, and her name was Mary.

I also seem to recall Scripture calling the Church the Body of Christ.

Probably my imagination.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah, so how does that make Mary the mother of the Church? How did Mary, who is FLESH by the way, give birth to something that's SPIRITUAL?


God gave birth to the Church!

There is no such thing as mother of the Church, since no human was involved in its creation. The Church was build entirely by God's own hands and He alone decides who gets into it.

Some of you guys need to stop employing this "human wisdom/logic" nonsense and start reading the Scriptures for once.

 

[Lion King]

Well, I am very sure that Jesus had Mary as his mother. Isn't Jesus head of the church? So Mary is mother of the head of the church.

I guess this is one of those cases where I see matters in a different light from you. God bless us both ... I sure hope he will

Why do you speak as if Jesus and Mary are equals?

Jesus the Christ is Mary's LORD and Savior.
Mary is Jesus Christ's handmaid.


While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50