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The creation of the Noah flood event comes in the genealogical account because the Hebrew redactors who wrote Genesis in Babylon were unable to trace their bloodlines back to a much older Adam, so it occurred to them to drown the whole world in it's own wickedness in order to fill in the gap. It was simply a story for the child like mind of the masses in that age, they made no claims of writing the Word of God.
 
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The creation of the Noah flood event comes in the genealogical account because the Hebrew redactors who wrote Genesis in Babylon were unable to trace their bloodlines back to a much older Adam, so it occurred to them to drown the whole world in it's own wickedness in order to fill in the gap. It was simply a story for the child like mind of the masses in that age, they made no claims of writing the Word of God.

The Pentateuch was written shortly after the Exodus. It may well have undergone some formatting changes, particularly in the holiness code, but no scholar is going to make a substantive argument that it wasn't written until the sixth century. That's absurd.

As for the flood, the New Testament witness confirms that the world was destroyed by water.

That said I agree that to understand the Gospel you must enter those gates with the mind of a child, innocent and simple. The ancient Hebrews received the Law from God directly, that makes it the Word of God and I do mean literally. If you don't believe God spoke to the prophets starting with Moses then what are you doing here?
 
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. God created Adam and Eve on the 6 th day and He rested on the 7 th day. I believe it to be a literal week. All the animals were created including the dinosaurs at the same time just like the scripture mentions. Everything was destroyed in the flood except Noah and his family and the pairs of animals that The Lord had sent to him .

How can one believe that humans and animals date back for millions of years. The scripture makes it clear that God called everything good after each day... My point, if is was all good , how could animals and humans be dying for millions of years and all be good. The sin of man came 1 st, then death followed. Not the other way around.

Genealogies of the bible are traced back for 1000s of years not millions.

My vote: relatively young earth.
 
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. God created Adam and Eve on the 6 th day and He rested on the 7 th day. I believe it to be a literal week. All the animals were created including the dinosaurs at the same time just like the scripture mentions. Everything was destroyed in the flood except Noah and his family and the pairs of animals that The Lord had sent to him .

How can one believe that humans and animals date back for millions of years. The scripture makes it clear that God called everything good after each day... My point, if is was all good , how could animals and humans be dying for millions of years and all be good. The sin of man came 1 st, then death followed. Not the other way around.

Genealogies of the bible are traced back for 1000s of years not millions.

My vote: relatively young earth.

May I refer you to post #17 in this thread? The age of the earth is very well established to be 4.56 billion years old. The first eleven chapters in Genesis are very well established to be severely redacted epic tales. These eleven chapters are not an accurate record of historic events—they are ancient oriental literature that addresses the thoughts and quandaries of ancient peoples.

In recent years, a number of organizations have been formed to defend an interpretation of Genesis 1-11 that is now known to be radically incorrect. A part of their defense is to quote “scientists” who hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11 and who have consequently thrown science into a trashcan and published nonsense in an attempt to falsely make it appear that real scientists are a bunch of atheists conspiring against Christianity. I have repeatedly asked these organizations to name just one scientist who teaches that the earth is young and who does not hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11—and they cannot name one! They are all Christian fundamentalists rather than true scientists. About 25 of them have earned a Ph.D. in a non-relevant field, and earning a Ph.D. does not make a man or a woman a scientist.

Let’s consider a few facts regarding Noah’s Ark that must be considered in evaluating the literalness of the account in Gen. 6–9:

• There are today about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth. If we assume a date of about 2,349 B.C. (Bishop Ussher’s date), microevolution reduces the number of “kinds” of animals that must have been aboard the ark (to account for the about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth today) to a few hundred thousand “kinds.”

• The several thousands of “kinds” of animals, including the dinosaurs, mammoths, giant ground sloths, etc., which have become extinct must also be considered. Did they all become extinct before the flood? If not, they were, according to the account in Genesis, aboard the ark.

• The ark, as literally described in Genesis, was much too small because the amount of water that it would be capable of displacing would weigh less than the animals on board, thus making it impossible for the ark to float.

• The floor space on the ark was too small to hold any more than a tiny fraction of the cages that would be necessary to keep the animals in place (and from eating each other).

• The amount of food required for the animals would weigh at least nearly as much as the animals, and would require a vast amount of storage space.

• Many of the animals aboard the ark would have required specific FRESH fruits, vegetables, leaves, grass, bark, roots, etc., including fresh fruits that are produced only on MATURE plants. Therefore, these mature plants would necessarily have been kept and maintained aboard the ark, and subsequently planted in the ground after the flood.

• Most of the genetically discrete populations of fish (including many VERY LARGE fish) would have to be taken aboard the ark and kept in tanks of water that met their very specific water chemistry needs in order to survive.

• The weight of the water on the earth would have crushed to death any of the land plants that did not drown in the water.

• After 150 days when the water abated, there would be no vegetation on the earth for the herbivores to eat, and no meat for the carnivores to eat, therefore a vast amount of food would necessarily have been kept aboard the ark to sustain the animals AFTER the flood.

• The Animals could not be released all at once or in the same place because many of them would eat each other.

• The coming of the animals to Noah from all over the earth would have been a physical impossibility no less impossible than Santa Clause delivering presents to every boy and girl on the night before Christmas. The polar bears and penguins, not to mention all of the unique kinds of animals in Australia, would have posed more than a few special difficulties.

• After the flood, the animals could not be returned to their original habitat because all habitats would have been destroyed by the flood.

• Many of the necessary habitats would take 50 years or more to be reestablished and their reestablishment would have required the effort of many thousands of persons.

• Until all the necessary habitats could be reestablished, the animals requiring these habitats would have to be kept and cared for by Noah and his family.

• There was not enough water to cover the entire earth, and even if there was, where did it go after the flood?

• If the reported sightings of the Ark are factual, the Ark came to rest on a VERY high mountain on VERY rugged terrain from which the large majority of the animals would not have been able to descend.

Therefore, the narrative of Noah’s Ark cannot be a literal account of an historic event. Indescribably huge and very numerous miracles would have been necessary, and a literal interpretation of Genesis does not allow for these miracles because the whole point of the narrative is that through the natural, physical means of an ark built by Noah and his family, mankind and all the kinds of animals were saved from the floodwaters. Therefore, we are left with the following choices: a collection of legends or myths, or a collection of epic tales.
 
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May I refer you to post #17 in this thread? The age of the earth is very well established to be 4.56 billion years old.

And all the Scriptures have to say about the creation of the earth is that it was in the beginning.

The first eleven chapters in Genesis are very well established to be severely redacted epic tales.

No they are redemptive history, to include the doctrine of creation which is essential doctrine. In other words, to deny the doctrine of creation is to deny the faith.


These eleven chapters are not an accurate record of historic events—they are ancient oriental literature that addresses the thoughts and quandaries of ancient peoples.

That's just an argument from unbelief.

In recent years, a number of organizations have been formed to defend an interpretation of Genesis 1-11 that is now known to be radically incorrect. A part of their defense is to quote “scientists” who hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11 and who have consequently thrown science into a trashcan and published nonsense in an attempt to falsely make it appear that real scientists are a bunch of atheists conspiring against Christianity. I have repeatedly asked these organizations to name just one scientist who teaches that the earth is young and who does not hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11—and they cannot name one! They are all Christian fundamentalists rather than true scientists. About 25 of them have earned a Ph.D. in a non-relevant field, and earning a Ph.D. does not make a man or a woman a scientist.

No facts in evidence, no names, no publications cited, quoted or linked.

Baloney I say...

Let’s consider a few facts regarding Noah’s Ark that must be considered in evaluating the literalness of the account in Gen. 6–9:

Are you aware of the New Testament witness regarding Noah?

There are today about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth. If we assume a date of about 2,349 B.C. (Bishop Ussher’s date), microevolution reduces the number of “kinds” of animals that must have been aboard the ark (to account for the about 2,000,000 genetically distinct populations of animals living on the earth today) to a few hundred thousand “kinds.”

That's right, every mammal, reptile and bird alive today had an ancestor on that Ark. The Ark touched down on Ararat about 4000 years ago. I really don't see the problem.

The several thousands of “kinds” of animals, including the dinosaurs, mammoths, giant ground sloths, etc., which have become extinct must also be considered. Did they all become extinct before the flood? If not, they were, according to the account in Genesis, aboard the ark.

That's not what it says, it says two of each kind of bird, mammal and reptile. That's all it says.

The ark, as literally described in Genesis, was much too small because the amount of water that it would be capable of displacing would weigh less than the animals on board, thus making it impossible for the ark to float.

It was actually a barge and assuming it was water tight, it was nearly unsinkable. I'm amazed how knowledgeable evolution makes evolutionists think they are, while their facts just float around like ghosts in the fog.

The floor space on the ark was too small to hold any more than a tiny fraction of the cages that would be necessary to keep the animals in place (and from eating each other).

The amount of food required for the animals would weigh at least nearly as much as the animals, and would require a vast amount of storage space.

Many of the animals aboard the ark would have required specific FRESH fruits, vegetables, leaves, grass, bark, roots, etc., including fresh fruits that are produced only on MATURE plants. Therefore, these mature plants would necessarily have been kept and maintained aboard the ark, and subsequently planted in the ground after the flood.

You know what they say about opinions, we all have one and we all use our own.

Most of the genetically discrete populations of fish (including many VERY LARGE fish) would have to be taken aboard the ark and kept in tanks of water that met their very specific water chemistry needs in order to survive.

Which is something you just made up off the top of your head...

The weight of the water on the earth would have crushed to death any of the land plants that did not drown in the water.

Because you say so...

After 150 days when the water abated, there would be no vegetation on the earth for the herbivores to eat, and no meat for the carnivores to eat, therefore a vast amount of food would necessarily have been kept aboard the ark to sustain the animals AFTER the flood.

The Animals could not be released all at once or in the same place because many of them would eat each other.

You got the 150 days right at least.

Therefore, the narrative of Noah’s Ark cannot be a literal account of an historic event. Indescribably huge and very numerous miracles would have been necessary, and a literal interpretation of Genesis does not allow for these miracles because the whole point of the narrative is that through the natural, physical means of an ark built by Noah and his family, mankind and all the kinds of animals were saved from the floodwaters. Therefore, we are left with the following choices: a collection of legends or myths, or a collection of epic tales.

I don't mind so much that you don't believe the account of creation or the flood, I expect people to reject the clear testimony of Scripture. What I don't appreciate is you pretending to represent a scientific view because there is nothing but presumption holding your argument together.

Darwinian universal common ancestry is the myth, and this is it's goddess:

templeofnature.jpg

Moses wrote history, it was the Darwins that were the mythographers.

Have a nice day,
Mark
 
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. God created Adam and Eve on the 6 th day and He rested on the 7 th day. I believe it to be a literal week. All the animals were created including the dinosaurs at the same time just like the scripture mentions. Everything was destroyed in the flood except Noah and his family and the pairs of animals that The Lord had sent to him .

How can one believe that humans and animals date back for millions of years. The scripture makes it clear that God called everything good after each day... My point, if is was all good , how could animals and humans be dying for millions of years and all be good. The sin of man came 1 st, then death followed. Not the other way around.

Genealogies of the bible are traced back for 1000s of years not millions.

My vote: relatively young earth.

Bear in mind, the age of the earth is irrelevant. All the Scriptures say is the God created the heavens and the earth, a Hebrew idiom for the universe. In the beginning. The creation of life (Gen 1:21) and man (Gen 1:25) is another matter entirely.
 
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Bear in mind, the age of the earth is irrelevant. All the Scriptures say is the God created the heavens and the earth, a Hebrew idiom for the universe. In the beginning. The creation of life (Gen 1:21) and man (Gen 1:25) is another matter entirely.

Hi mark,

You continue to make that claim of 'truth' that the age of the earth is irrelevant and so I don't post this so much for you as for others who may be reading your posts. The age of the earth is only irrelevant if God says it is, not you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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If there is one conflicting belief that's been haunting me for years it's how old the earth is in relation to scripture. I don't know what to believe anymore because I see evidence of fossils being pulled out from the ground but there are some that have convincing arguments that suggested earth is very young.

Help this poor believer because down the road I want to minister and I want to make sure I preach the truth.

Truth is, none of us was there, but God was. Isn't that safe to teach?
 
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Hi mark,

You continue to make that claim of 'truth' that the age of the earth is irrelevant and so I don't post this so much for you as for others who may be reading your posts. The age of the earth is only irrelevant if God says it is, not you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

But the Scriptures are silent, unless you have some kind direct revelation, all we know is that God created the heavens and the earth, and it was in the beginning. The much weightier issue of the creation of life and man is ignored.
 
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But the Scriptures are silent, unless you have some kind direct revelation, all we know is that God created the heavens and the earth, and it was in the beginning. The much weightier issue of the creation of life and man is ignored.

Hi mark,

Well, that's where you and I disagree. I think the Scriptures speak quite plainly as to how and when the earth and the heavens were created. If we then skip from the beginning in Genesis, to the end in Revelation, we even find out 'why' the earth and the heavens were created.

No, the weightier issue is not ignored, but there is somewhat more to the Scriptures then merely God created and Jesus saves. If that were all, then the Scriptures would certainly be a much shorter read. I don't believe that God wastes words. I think He perfectly planned the Scriptures just as much as He perfectly planned the creation and He asks us to believe all of it and understand all of it. I believe that when we read the beginning account of Genesis and then skip to the end account in the Revelation God has given us a clear picture of the 'how', 'when' and 'why'. Everything in between explains His working within this realm that He created to accomplish the end He describes for us in the Revelation.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi mark,

Well, that's where you and I disagree. I think the Scriptures speak quite plainly as to how and when the earth and the heavens were created. If we then skip from the beginning in Genesis, to the end in Revelation, we even find out 'why' the earth and the heavens were created.

Not the 'How" in a scientific sense though. The Biblical story is about the 'Why' question, not the 'How' and 'When' ones.

No, the weightier issue is not ignored, but there is somewhat more to the Scriptures then merely God created and Jesus saves. If that were all, then the Scriptures would certainly be a much shorter read. I don't believe that God wastes words. I think He perfectly planned the Scriptures just as much as He perfectly planned the creation and He asks us to believe all of it and understand all of it. I believe that when we read the beginning account of Genesis and then skip to the end account in the Revelation God has given us a clear picture of the 'how', 'when' and 'why'. Everything in between explains His working within this realm that He created to accomplish the end He describes for us in the Revelation.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Your last paragraph is fine, provided that does not go with an anti-science stance which a young earth position entails.

John
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Your last paragraph is fine, provided that does not go with an anti-science stance which a young earth position entails.


There's nothing anti-science about it and the science apologists know very little about science and could care less. Young Earth Creationism is evidential apologetics, they use the exact same evidence and the exact same scientific reasoning the atheistic materialists do. The problem isn't YEC, the problem is all you have to do in order to be regarded as scientific is to insult anyone who dares suggest God actually created anything.

The creation of life in general and man in particular is my focus, especially the three fold expansion of the human brain from that of apes. I'll dump a truckload of science on you if you want to pick up a real topic, rarely have I seen an evolutionist make it through the first round.
 
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There's nothing anti-science about it and the science apologists know very little about science and could care less. Young Earth Creationism is evidential apologetics, they use the exact same evidence and the exact same scientific reasoning the atheistic materialists do. The problem isn't YEC, the problem is all you have to do in order to be regarded as scientific is to insult anyone who dares suggest God actually created anything.

The creation of life in general and man in particular is my focus, especially the three fold expansion of the human brain from that of apes. I'll dump a truckload of science on you if you want to pick up a real topic, rarely have I seen an evolutionist make it through the first round.

Hi mark,

You and johnnz are arguing the same position. I don't know why you'd want to 'dump a truckload of science' on him. He agrees with you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi mark,

You and johnnz are arguing the same position. I don't know why you'd want to 'dump a truckload of science' on him. He agrees with you.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

I was talking about Young Earth Creationism he is calling anti-science. My position is nothing like his, I doubt seriously we agree on much.
 
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I was talking about Young Earth Creationism he is calling anti-science. My position is nothing like his, I doubt seriously we agree on much.

You have got my position accurately.

I find it rather strange that young earth creationists often disparage science, whilst using all the technology science has brought us, while using their computers, and the Internet to tell us that.

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You have got my position accurately.

I find it rather strange that young earth creationists often disparage science, whilst using all the technology science has brought us, while using their computers, and the Internet to tell us that.

John
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They don't and most of the pontificates of science ignore the empirical research, when they are not outright arguing against it.
 
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They don't and most of the pontificates of science ignore the empirical research, when they are not outright arguing against it.

Can you then show how the time frames of geology (sedimentation, dating of rocks for examples) or astrophysics, (distance in light years) is wrong and could be so stated in a respected scientific journal?

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In recent years, a number of organizations have been formed to defend an interpretation of Genesis 1-11 that is now known to be radically incorrect. A part of their defense is to quote “scientists” who hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11 and who have consequently thrown science into a trashcan and published nonsense in an attempt to falsely make it appear that real scientists are a bunch of atheists conspiring against Christianity. I have repeatedly asked these organizations to name just one scientist who teaches that the earth is young and who does not hold to that radically incorrect interpretation of Genesis 1-11—and they cannot name one! They are all Christian fundamentalists rather than true scientists. About 25 of them have earned a Ph.D. in a non-relevant field, and earning a Ph.D. does not make a man or a woman a scientist.

No facts in evidence, no names, no publications cited, quoted or linked.

Baloney I say...

The three creationist organization to which I devoted most of my study were the following:

Answers in Genesis (Website: Creation | Creation Ministries International )
Creation Ministries International (Website: Creation | Creation Ministries International )
Institute for Creation Research (Website: (The Institute for Creation Research)

I began my study about ten years ago when I saw a list of “scientists” published by the Institute for Creation Research. Having been, before my career change, a research biologist, and knowing that creation “science” is not science but messing around with tidbits of anomalous data, I looked up everyone of those scientists (there were about fifteen or so of them—the only ones at the time that the Institute could find who had earned a master’s degree or a Ph.D. in a field of science and believed in young-earth creationism) and compared the facts about these men with the information about them that the Institute had published. I expected to find some exaggerations—but what I found were bold faced lies—willful and deliberate deceptions to trick gullible people into believing that scientists today are divided over the issue of young-earth creationism.

My curiosity got the best of me and I checked out the men (no women!) whose names were published by Answers in Genesis and Creation Ministries International. I learned that they were much more honest than the Institute for Creation Research, but that none the scientists (about 25 all together) had published articles in fields in which they specialized while working on their graduate degrees, and that none of them were currently involved in teaching and performing research in an accredited university! Moreover, I learned that every one of them was a fundamentalist Christian who had allowed his religious beliefs to horribly interfere with his work as a scientist. Additionally, I learned that none of them had any familiarity whatsoever with any research of any kind that has been performed on the first eleven chapters of Genesis—eleven chapters written so very differently from any other chapters in the Bible that they are often studied as a literary unit apart from the rest of Genesis (for documentation of this fact—simply use your browser to search for academic studies on the book of Genesis).

Moreover, these three creationist organization differ greatly on how they attempt to “explain away” the hundreds of thousands of incontrovertible facts that prove that Genesis 6-8 is not an accurate account of an historic event. According to Answers in Genesis, there were not very many animals on the Ark, but that the 2,000,000 genetically discrete populations of animals we have today are the decedents of the animals aboard the ark! Think about that! Out of one side of their mouth, they are claiming that the 2,000,000 genetically discrete populations of animals we have today evolved in a few thousand years from the original animals on the ark. Out of the other side of their mouth, they boldly claim that the theory of evolution his been proven false! Needless to say, they do not bother to claim that any of their scientists have discovered a mechanism for such a rapid rate of evolution because all of their scientists (and every other scientist) know that such a mechanism is an impossibility.

Feel free to collect your own data on the 25 or so “scientists” who believe that the earth is only about 10,000 years old and that the Genesis flood actually occurred. Then collect your own data on the more than 3,000,000 scientists around the world (thousands of whom are Christians) that know that the earth is at least approximately 4.56 billion years old and that our earth was not covered with water at any time in the last few million years!

Are you aware of the New Testament witness regarding Noah?

Yes, of course. Jesus had never seen a map of the world, He had never seen a mountain (but mere hills), He had never seen a skeleton of a dinosaur, and He had never attempted to keep a salt water fish alive in an aquarium without a lot of expensive equipment that was not available until the late 1800’s. Much of the same can be said of Peter and the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews.

P.S. I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. May God bless you.
 
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I was talking about Young Earth Creationism he is calling anti-science. My position is nothing like his, I doubt seriously we agree on much.

Hi mark,

Speaking of pontificating...

If you don't believe that young earth creationism is anti-science, then why don't you believe in young earth creationism? Just curious.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi mark and johnnz,

There is a place in the Scriptures where it speaks of a number. This number is '666' and many have thought and considered what this reference might be about. The Scriptures, as translated, tell us that is is the number of 'a' man. I've been convicted that it really isn't the number of 'a' man, but rather the number 'of' man. It then goes on to describe how men will have a 'mark' on their hand or on their 'foreheads'. Now, I fully understand that many may not agree with my understanding of these things, but I do want to lay them out here that at least my understanding might also be considered as others think upon these things.

I see, in the world today, how, if we consider that the '666' reference is more generally understood as the number 'of' man, rather than try to see it as the number of a specific man, that the world is quickly and inexorably turning into a place where we accept the wisdom of men over the wisdom of God. This is pretty much how the Scriptures throughout tell us the world is going to be heading.

Paul even, I believe, addresses this very issue that we are discussing here. He wrote to the believers in Colosse, "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." My understanding of the creation account is based solely on Christ. That through him, just as the Scriptures declare, all things were created. This realm did not evolve. This realm did not sit around for millions or billions of years waiting for man to show up on the scene. This realm was created by God, near instantly, for man.

Paul writes of the days coming when men will not put up with sound doctrine. He writes of the days coming when men will seek after a whole litany of evils that he describes in his opening words to the Roman believers. The Scriptures just seem choc-a-bloc full of inferences that the world will eventually be filled with every kind of wickedness and depravity. It even warns us that these same things will be introduced into and spread among the 'church'. God makes the claim that if He doesn't cut short the last days, that there would be no flesh saved. That even the elect might fall under the influence of these false teachings.

This gives me great pause. What exactly is it that will be the foundation of this great delusion that will be so strong that it might even effect the elect?

Well, today we find a nearly world wide acceptance of the wisdom of man, which says the creation is much older than God's word seems to explain. And because we try to teach that all of this that we see has just somehow naturally come to be what it is today, many also then find that because of its great age, then living creatures and man himself were not actually created as God has explained their creation either. This teaching is so prevalent and accepted in our world today that even the elect are certainly put upon and tested in their faith to accept the 'truth'.

So, how does this relate to the reference of '666'? Well, we have decided that it is better, and even scientifically proven, to believe man's explanation of the creation and all that it entails over what God has said. We work with our hands to understand and teach this 'truth'. We believe in our minds, which is represented by our foreheads, this 'truth'. We have been marked on our hands and on our foreheads with the mark of the beast.

Many say that the 'mark' upon the hand is represented by the new chip technology that is coming into play in these days, but I don't agree with that. When God asked the Israelites to teach their children and to remember Him and His ways, He asked them to bind these things on their foreheads. A seemingly clear implication that our foreheads are the gateway to our minds. The Jews had what they called phylacteries, and these were little boxes containing Scripture that they wore tied to their foreheads. Again, the seemingly clear implication that what they had on their foreheads was what they had in their thoughts.

I believe in the God who merely commands entire realms of existence to exist pretty much instantly just by saying let this be so and it is. I believe in the God who created this realm for only one specific purpose. That it was a perfect and suitable place for man to live. That the earth was created as the actual place for man to live and the heavens were created that the earth would exist for eternity. The larger scope of the universe was created that the earth would endure.

But, because science tells us that this is impossible...then it is. Right?

Well, science also tells me that the explanation of the event of the crossing of the sea by the Isrealites in the exodus is impossible. Does that mean that I should also not believe that account? Science tells me that certainly before the advent of modern medical technology, that a woman becoming pregnant without having had sexual relations with a man is impossible. Does that mean that I should also not believe that account? Science tells me that it is impossible for the sun to stand still in the sky. That the earth and all the creatures on it would be destroyed if it were even possible for such a thing to happen. Does that mean that I should not believe that account either?

For me, I've decided that science has limitations in what it can prove to me. Science can neither prove nor disprove miracles of God's work. It can make 'assumptions' based on what knowledge we have today, but it cannot guarantee that those assumptions have always been and remained constant. It can tell me, that based on our knowledge today it is impossible for the sun to stand still in the sky, but it cannot give me any guarantee that it hasn't ever happened. God's word says that it has. I'm going with God's word.

Now, mark, you believe that because God's word says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", that we can't be sure when that 'beginning' was. I choose to believe that the opening phrase is God saying, "This is what I did in the beginning. I formed the earth and I fashioned the earth. I then formed the universe and I fashioned the universe. I did all of this in the beginning of this realm that I created and I did it all in six days." However, I don't allow man's knowledge of 'science' to sway me in what it tells me must be the 'truth', because I know that in absolutely every miracle that God explains that He has done in working in this realm, science cannot answer any of those 'how' questions either.

That's my faith. I believe God. I believe that He has made His revelation to me of all that He has done in creating and sustaining this realm simple and straightforward. He says to me, "Ted, this is all that I have done that you may have life. But, you have sinned against me in this life that I have made for you. I now offer you, through my Son, forgiveness for your sin and ask you to believe me. To trust me. To know and understand that I made you, and all mankind, and all that sustains such life and that one day I will come and fix this issue of sin and rebellion and if you are willing, you may be a part of those who will be my people and I will be their God, for life and time everlasting."

Yes, I fully understand and accept that some will call me ignorant. I fully understand and accept that many will call me uneducated and narrow minded. I fully understand and accept that many will call me a fool for not believing the 'truth'. Again I will say, "That's OK with me. I wasn't put here to please any of them or to think like they think or to believe what they believe. I was put here to please God and to think like He asks me to think and to believe what He asks me to believe." Some may chalk that attitude up to pride, arrogance, foolishness or just plain stupidity, but yes, I neither live nor believe as the world lives or believes.

God bless you both.
In Christ, Ted
 
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