Endogenous Retroviruses: Evidence for Human Evolution

[bhsmte]

That is not being responsive. You often assert and use it to escape challenges but so far you have not produced one example of this being said in a science setting.

As I have told you many, many, many times, you are arguing against something that science does not say and I have never seen Loudmouth making anything even resembling your assertion.

Honesty is not a bad thing. You might wish to practice it a little more.

Dizredux

Too much risk in honesty, far too much exposure would take place.

 

[Dizredux]

Too much risk in honesty, far too much exposure would take place.

From Just's viewpoint, I can see that.

Dizredux

 

[bhsmte]

From Just's viewpoint, I can see that.

Dizredux

When the hole gets deep enough, very difficult to crawl out. What do fundies do? They keep digging.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's your faith based belief, not mine.

What faith based belief are you talking about?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

The graphic you posted is just a very very very very small part of the incomprehensible complexity of the human body, just one of the incomprehensible parts of the incredible complexity of all creation.

It is only incomprehensible if you refuse to look at it, which appears to be your strategy.

Now, if you wish to believe that this incomprehensible complexity is the result of only random, mindless, meaningless, purposeless (other than procreation) and directionless mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago, that's your choice.

That is not my belief, nor do I make any such claim in any of the posts in this thread. That is your belief of how evolution works, and your belief does not match up to the real theory of evolution that we are talking about in this thread.

You have absolutely no evidence for such a view.

Would you agree that I have evidence for 200,000 retroviral insertions in the human genome? Yes or no?

 

[CabVet]

Classic, when evidence is not in your side, all that is left to do is attacking your opponents by accusing them of taking the very same approach (faith) as you do. And to top that off, do it as an insult.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Interesting post. It was definitely worth the read.

You understood all of that?



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[Loudmouth]

You understood all of that?



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I and others would be more than happy to answer any questions you may have. There is still a lot more that I will present, and it requires an understanding of the material found in the opening post.

 

[lost999]

You understood all of that?

I got the main point of it. I read most of what he posted in my core concepts biology textbook not too long ago.

He did a good job explaining some of the things I didn't understand prior, and taught me some new things as well.

 

[justlookinla]

What faith based belief are you talking about?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?



It is only incomprehensible if you refuse to look at it, which appears to be your strategy.



That is not my belief, nor do I make any such claim in any of the posts in this thread. That is your belief of how evolution works, and your belief does not match up to the real theory of evolution that we are talking about in this thread.



Would you agree that I have evidence for 200,000 retroviral insertions in the human genome? Yes or no?

I'd agree that a designer was involved in the creation of the human body, the graphic that was posted is a great example of that. And you do realize this is a very very small part of the complexity of the human body?

Would you agree that such a creation isn't possible with only naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

 

[Loudmouth]

I'd agree that a designer was involved in the creation of the human body, the graphic that was posted is a great example of that. And you do realize this is a very very small part of the complexity of the human body?

Would you agree that such a creation isn't possible with only naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form from long long ago?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

 

[justlookinla]

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

It's a faith based belief that the complexity of the human genome is due only to naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago. Scienceism/evolutionism.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's a faith based belief that the complexity of the human genome is due only to naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago. Scienceism/evolutionism.

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

 

[justlookinla]

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

It's a faith based belief that the complexity of the human genome is due only to naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago. Scienceism/evolutionism.

 

[morse86]

We are ready to discuss retroviruses and "DNA" when you can show me how they came up with the 100s of photos of the HIV virus?

Do not tell me it is an artist rendition because on the newspapers and most scientific journals decade ago did not have a footnote stating that it was artist renditions.

So please explain. Also, while you're at it, go ahead and explain the WHO Bangui criteria (1985 World Health Organization AIDS surveillance case definition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) for diagnosing an HIV patient:

Inclusion criteria with the corresponding score:

Weight loss exceeding 10% of body weight 4 score
Protracted asthenia 4 score
Continuous or repeated attacks of fever for more than a month 3 score
Diarrhoea lasting for more than a month 3 score
Cough 2 score
Pneumopathy 2 score
Generalized adenopathy 2 score

12 or above score...you got HIV.

According to the bangui criteria above, every african person has HIV (due to malnutrition..they meet half the conditions above).

 

[Loudmouth]

It's a faith based belief that the complexity of the human genome is due only to naturalistic mechanisms acting on a single life form of long long ago. Scienceism/evolutionism.

Nowhere do I make that claim.

Will you please address the evidence?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

 

[Loudmouth]

We are ready to discuss retroviruses and "DNA" when you can show me how they came up with the 100s of photos of the HIV virus?

I can show you thousands of endogenized HIV viruses that inserted into the human genome.

The thousands of blue dots represent verified insertions of the HIV genome into the human genome.

 

[justlookinla]

Nowhere do I make that claim.

Will you please address the evidence?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?

There is no evidence and all you have is the ever moving, ever changing, shifting sands of scienceism/evolutionism. You should recognize the fact that the views on the genome is a constantly changing thing, simply look at the false claims made just a few years ago concerning junk DNA. Your opinion of ERVs is no more than that, just your opinion. What you claim is true today may very well be false tomorrow.

You've provided nothing except your faith in what has shown to be changing 'truths'.

 

[morse86]

Stop evading the question. Answer the Bangui criteria. This proves world wide deception.

Please answer it, you can look up the crtieria on wikipedia. How many malnutrition cases were diagnosed as HIV and given chemotheraphy drugs (AZT)?

When they died from the AZT poison, they get counted as a AIDS statistic. Where is the morality in that one?


I will sum it up once again for you...if one has ANY combination of these symptoms...THEY HAVE HIV (according to the bangui criteria):
Weight loss exceeding 10% of body weight
Diarrhoea lasting for more than a month
Continuous or repeated attacks of fever for more than a month
Cough


Good thing Bill Gates is in the malnutritioned part of the world giving those dna-chain terminating "treatments".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough

 

[Loudmouth]

Stop evading the question. Answer the Bangui criteria. This proves world wide deception.

We don't need pictures of the HIV virus to verify that it is a retrovirus. The HIV retrovirus has all of the genes needed for a retrovirus (e.g. pol, env, gag), and it is verified to insert into the human genome. It is a retrovirus.

 

[Loudmouth]

There is no evidence . . .

I just gave you part of the evidence in the opening post, and you can't even address it.

Your opinion of ERVs is no more than that, just your opinion.

I just showed you the FACTS that ERV's are produced by retroviruses. I gave you peer reviewed papers where retroviruses are OBSERVED to insert into the human genome. This isn't opinion. This is fact.

If you can't tell the difference between facts and opinion, then you have no business criticizing science.

You've provided nothing except your faith in what has shown to be changing 'truths'.

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert into host genomes?

Is it a faith based belief that the human genome contains over 200,000 examples of retroviral insertions?

Is it a faith based belief that retroviruses insert randomly among many, many bases in the genome?

Which of these is a faith based belief?