Will Islam survive ISIS murdering Christians?

[BobRyan]

Is it possible that Muslims may get fed up with Islam when they view the atrocities of ISIS in Iraq? Or is there "no limit" to atrocities that they will accept in the name of Islam?

What if they renounce Islam in protest against the atrocities of ISIS?

What if they become Christians in disgust over those atrocities?

Is that possible?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[High Fidelity]

We've survived much worse. I'm sure Muslims will be just fine.

 

[bushinoki]

Who really knows. If I were a Muslim, I would be worried about the outside attacks more. If IS should get Iraq, Syria and the Levant, They're going to be butting up against some serious powers in the region, like Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey. I don't think Saudi Arabia and Israel would even let Jordan fall, and would be motivated to action in Lebanon long before that. Really, ISIS doesn't have a prayer in the long run, because they have regional powers on all sides, most of whom are US allies.

 

[Rhamiel]

I heard a thing on BBC yesterday

some Muslims agree that a Muslim state is a good thing, sharia law
but they do not think ISIS is going about it in the right way

like they were saying that the Caliphate should protect all Muslims and all Jews and Christians who are willing to pay the tax
but ISIS is killing so many people, it is not even following Muslim law

 

[Targaryen]

This is not a theology question.

Can a mod move this to an appropriate forum.

 

[BobRyan]

We've survived much worse. I'm sure Muslims will be just fine.

First of all there might even be a sunni back-clash "ethnic cleansing" in Iraq against Sinni's that is not stoppable - once ISIS is finally squashed - the Sunni's in Iraq have to be hugely concerned over that, and will need a way to distinctly distance themselves from their murdering cousins. How else can they do that?

And the silence of Islam in general as this spectacle is being played out before the entire world has to be embarrassing and "telling" even for the most devout devotee - world wide.

 

[BobRyan]

I heard a thing on BBC yesterday

some Muslims agree that a Muslim state is a good thing, sharia law
but they do not think ISIS is going about it in the right way

like they were saying that the Caliphate should protect all Muslims and all Jews and Christians who are willing to pay the tax
but ISIS is killing so many people, it is not even following Muslim law

And doing so in the name of "Islam". - a distinctly religious motive.

So the question is whether the religion itself suffers when it disgraces itself in this way.

Do people then turn in disgust from following Islam?

Is that likely?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Who really knows. If I were a Muslim, I would be worried about the outside attacks more. If IS should get Iraq, .

20,000 Sunni's in Iraq are not going to stop the Kurds backed by U.S. forces from wiping them out.

Given some time - that will happen.

So then what?

What happens to the other Sunni's in Iraq when their country is handed back to them and they look at all the death and damage done by Sunni's?

What happens when Muslims world wide turn in disgust from such atrocity?

Do they turn to Christianity?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[andy b]

im interested have any famous or prominent Muslims come out and criticized isis publicly because i cant think of one to hand ,that speaks volumes , its funny that because lots of Hollywood A list parasites have criticized Israel but they dont come out and do the same about Isis.

 

[Targaryen]

im interested have any famous or prominent Muslims come out and criticized isis publicly because i cant think of one to hand ,that speaks volumes , its funny that because lots of Hollywood A list parasites have criticized Israel but they dont come out and do the same about Isis.

Why should we care what celebrities have to say? Unless you look more to Hollywood then to your faith for leadership.

 

[Profane]

im interested have any famous or prominent Muslims come out and criticized isis publicly because i cant think of one to hand ,that speaks volumes , its funny that because lots of Hollywood A list parasites have criticized Israel but they dont come out and do the same about Isis.

Not much point criticizing an obvious terrorist group that wouldn't care in the least if anyone in the US said something bad about them.

Israel on the other hand, cares deeply about its reputation as it effects how much support they can get from the world at large, thus critizing them can have an actual effect on its operations.

 

[andy b]

Not much point criticizing an obvious terrorist group that wouldn't care in the least if anyone in the US said something bad about them.

Israel on the other hand, cares deeply about its reputation as it effects how much support they can get from the world at large, thus critizing them can have an actual effect on its operations.

im talking generally not specifically ...how many prominent world Muslims critique hamas for firing rockets from schools, its all one way traffic aimed at Israel

 

[Gnarwhal]

Truth be told, I don't see ISIS as being any different from rebel armies in Africa like the LRA or the RUF. They build up a head of steam, but they're not sure they want to take over because then they would have to govern the mess. They're designed to fail from the outset, they're too extreme, they will eventually fall apart at the seams and be relegated to the prisons and graveyards of their enemies.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Why should we care what celebrities have to say? Unless you look more to Hollywood then to your faith for leadership.

Obama loves Hollywood. There is a link with the money and politics. He would not want to run them off.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Obama loves Hollywood. There is a link with the money and politics. He would not want to run them off.

Hollywood doesn't have nearly the influence that corporations have, but this is all deviating from the subject of the OP.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rhamiel

I heard a thing on BBC yesterday

some Muslims agree that a Muslim state is a good thing, sharia law
but they do not think ISIS is going about it in the right way

like they were saying that the Caliphate should protect all Muslims and all Jews and Christians who are willing to pay the tax
but ISIS is killing so many people, it is not even following Muslim law
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Beheading of children in Iraq?

Chaldean Christian leader: ISIS 'Systematically Beheading' Children In Iraq | Gospelherald.com

A prominent Christian leader of the Chaldean community unveiled the "systematic beheading of children" and other horrendous crimes committed by ISIS. He said that the Sunni extremists are committing genocide against Christians in Iraq and with the aim to instill the Sharia Law as the law of the land.




[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the interview with CNN's Jonathan Mann, Chaldean-American businessman Mark Arabo said that the "world hasn't seen an evil like this for generations." [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif]"There is a park in Mosul, where [ISIS] they actually beheaded children and put their heads on a stick and have them in the park," he explained. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif]"More children are getting beheaded, mothers are getting raped and killed, and fathers are being hung." [/FONT]

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[andy b]

Why should we care what celebrities have to say? Unless you look more to Hollywood then to your faith for leadership.

im not to sure how looking to my faith will shape foreign or economic policy please enlighten me....what i do know is that a certain demographic of the public will believe anything that some Hollywood parasite spews out about anything ..the public elects so it sways opinion of leadership

 

[Nik0s]

Until Muslims and Muslim leader speak out it will never stop. The silence from so called "moderates" in Islam is embarrassing and concerning. We have citizens of the UK , US and the EU going to wage Jihad with ISIS and then coming back to their countries of birth radicalized and dangerous. Islam is at a crossroads and it needs to make a declaration that groups and acts such as ISIS will not be tolerated.

 

[Rhamiel]

from its inception after the Civil War until at least the 1970's the KKK portrayed itself as standing up for Southern Culture and Protestant Values

did the actions of this horrible terrorist group turn people away from Christianity as a whole?

 

[bbbbbbb]

from its inception after the Civil War until at least the 1970's the KKK portrayed itself as standing up for Southern Culture and Protestant Values

did the actions of this horrible terrorist group turn people away from Christianity as a whole?

Good point.