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Promise of a Gentile Messiah

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Didn't the ancient Greeks and Romans also worshipped their various gods as "christs"?

Israel means
"who prevails with God"
and mankind assumes he is the only one that had promises..
that would probably be a wrong assumption .

if we look back at Noahs sons and grandson..maybe we get a hint there that other stuff was going on too.

Abraham was chosen for a special purpose to reveal the fathers heart for mankind. his mercy and his redemption . I believe others were "chosen " for other purposes none of those purpose will in anyway supersede or usurp any of his other purposes. that is how we probably should realize if it is him or not..
I believe that being or having to be a king of kings was to redeem kings of other nations too....
just a man wasn't going to get the job done .


seems maybe others may have had promises also..
at least native people here many were waiting for a redeemer.
and always has been waiting .

check out the say the Mandan's beliefs for starters .
man assumes God never dealt with anyone but Abraham but that is just false.
no I am not a mormon!

I clear example of a promise.
Elishah mean " God saves "
Alasehir a city state/ clan of Elishah one of many city state/ clans.. kings with name like Attalus..and Eumenes ( PS these are clues to something old and something true something borrowed , something blue)
this was just one city state of many many clans and locations of Elishah
This is the first Philadelphia! read the promises to church of philadelphia again..
:p the king who loved his brother, and brother who would have been the heir to his thrown, but had always been trust worthy and he loved the king and did not try and usurp him, but instead died for him!
:p
 
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I clear example of a promise.
Elishah mean " God saves "
Alasehir a city state/ clan of Elishah one of many city state/ clans.. kings with name like Attalus..and Eumenes ( PS these are clues to something old and something true something borrowed , something blue)
this was just one city state of many many clans and locations of Elishah
This is the first Philadelphia! read the promises to church of philadelphia again..
:p the king who loved his brother, and brother who would have been the heir to his thrown, but had always been trust worthy and he loved the king and did not try and usurp him, but instead died for him!
:p

Elisha and Elishah are two different words.
The nation Elishah (אֱלִישָׁה, possibly referring to Hellas, ie Greece) is not the same word as the name Elisha (אֱלִישָׁ֤ע, God is salvation).

As for the rest of your post, I don't really understand what point you're making or what source you reference. Do you correlate Elishah and Philadelphia, if so, why?
 
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God loves the (whole) world.......that he gave his only son Jesus ...that whoever (in the world) trust in (his name) shall not perish but shall have everlasting life...



And I saw in heaven....a multitude of every nation kindreds and people and tongues..stood before the throne...in white robes..crying with a loud voice..saying salvation to our God which sits upon the throne and unto the lamb....

thus not only for jews but all men....in Christ Paul say there is neither Jew or gentile....only one man ....one Adam..a new Adam...,,a new creation... All in the faith are citizens in New Jerusalem ...God is not a respecter of persons


James 2:9,10

Yes, God loves the world, and I am convince many Hindus, and many Muslims and people from other religions will also be saved, but they are people of other religions who have a totally different worship system, totally different Holy city, totally different Messiah altogether.

The Messiah of Jerusalem came walking in Torah and showing all people that they should also pick up their cross and walk as he walked.

The Messiah of Jerusalem has his Sabbaths and his 7 feasts that have traditions that teach of his missions, and rituals that teach truth of him.

The Messiah of Jerusalem is not the Messiah of Babylon no matter how many times you want to make the claim.

The Messiah of Jerusalem did not come breaking the law and teaching others to break the law.

The Messiah of Jerusalem comes adding to the nation, not ripping the nation apart.

The Messiah of Jerusalem comes teaching secrets of Torah, he is not a Messiah who comes abolishing the Torah as you suppose, and to even say such a thing is to prove Jesus could not be the Messiah.


Your Messiah, and your worship system has nothing to do with the worship system of the Messiah of Jerusalem.

Jesus was a Jew D, he is not a gentile, but there is a Gentile Jesus, and he is not the same as the Jewish Jesus.


But the covenant is for Judah and Israel to become one, and you reject this notion, you reject the covenant, and the people you were to become with.


So what should happen?


Should the Jews abolish the law and take on Pagan Holy days, traditions and rituals?

Should the Jews reject Jerusalem and take Rome as their inheritance, and bow down before the gods put in place of Rome?

Should the Jews hate themselves and accept a Messiah that also hates them?

Should the Jews do as you do?


You are the one who has rejected the covenant D, and yet you still speak as if you haven't created your own religion in the place of everything that is called of God or that is worshipped.

You are still looking for a false Messiah who will stand against everything that is called of God or that is worship, but I tell you that it speaks about people who reject everything that is called of God or that is worshipped.

One thing we can say with confidence is that is a Messiah does really come, and he does stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped, that the many already follow him don't they?

Aren't people already doing what was said of the false Messiah?

If you say you don't do what the false Messiah is to do, I will scratch my head and call it a wonder of the world.

'' He who stands against all that is called of God or that is worshipped.''


You will admit that you do these very things wont you?

Or will you just pretend that you are not against God's worship system?

Be proud of what you are and what you stand against D.

Please, speak your mind about what you think of Jews, Israel, Jerusalem and the law of Moses.

You are against them all.
 
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By all means, let the whole world believe in God and his worship system.


God only has one worship system, not two.


Walking with God is not whether you keep every little law, walking with God is that you reject all other worship system to follow the one true religion, and there can be only one.



Will a Muslim or Hindu keep all his Sabbaths and feast days and rituals and then make the claim that their whole worship system was built around Jesus?

Are all the feast days of Mohhamed about Jesus too?

Are all the feast days and tradition of Vishnu about Jesus?

Are all the feast days and tradition of Nimrod also about Jesus?


This is the claim and lie that is told of Jesus.

That Babylonians and Egyptians must have had it right the whole time, because Christianity converted to their worship system, and they call the worship system of God an unrighteous thing, and then they quote scriptures of the New Testament as if they were the same as the first church who converted to Judaism.

Is Jesus truly the man of Sin?

He must be, according to Christianity.

Did he really come to change the times and seasons?

I suppose so if I am to believe what is told me.
 
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Elisha and Elishah are two different words.
The nation Elishah (אֱלִישָׁה, possibly referring to Hellas, ie Greece) is not the same word as the name Elisha (אֱלִישָׁ֤ע, God is salvation).

As for the rest of your post, I don't really understand what point you're making or what source you reference. Do you correlate Elishah and Philadelphia, if so, why?

I said read the grandsons of Noah!
these sons of Japhath and Javan are the gentile nations.
there is just lots of hiding there for people to learn.

but instead are trying to usurp Abraham.
it's just so very un- Philadelphia of us ain't it?
we don't even have a clue where He gave the promises and to whom or what those the great promises God gave to those he loved are . and that he made those promises to men who loved him . but everyone of them will be fulfilled down to the last words of it!
I am sure He made a lot of promises .
I just know about Elishah/ Aleshiyah (spelling ? many ways on every continent and darn near every island.) ! there must be others with grand promises .
remember this promises?
Gen 9:22
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

Gen 9:23
And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Gen 9:24

And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

Gen 9:25
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Gen 9:26
And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Gen 9:27
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


Gen 9:28

And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

Gen 9:29
And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

God views Shem and japheth as One.. same promises since Genesis , only the timing is different ! and looks like everyone gets saved or lost at just about the same time.
 
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I was answering the original question I see that the topic has somewhat changed ideas.
but I do believe all nations and tribes have been waiting for redemption in some form.
and if that tribe worshiped him they will recognize him and worship Jesus .. or they won't because they weren't ever worshiping him at any time.
I believe that as soon as a tribe is worshipping him in some form .. He will give a spirit of prophesy to even evil kings ( Saul prophesies , David prophecies ,https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 2) I think kings just do that.. and they will get hints of the salvation coming and of God's redemption somehow in those prophesies.
so yes I believe all people of the world were in someway waiting for redemption..
Not a "Gentile messiah" but just redemption from someone/ anyone who was bigger than death and hell .
 
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