Recent Fulfilled Mormon Prophecies

[bbbbbbb]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what was the last major event which came to pass which had been predicted by a Mormon prophet?

 

[TasteForTruth]

Are you talking about something with a short prediction/occurrence index or a long one? And by "event" are you including only those occurrences for which were given specific timings of some kind (on x date... at the passing of this x event... by x number of years from today... before x date arrives... etc.)?

 

[Ironhold]

Define "major event".

 

[NYCGuy]

:d

 

[bbbbbbb]

Are you talking about something with a short prediction/occurrence index or a long one? And by "event" are you including only those occurrences for which were given specific timings of some kind (on x date... at the passing of this x event... by x number of years from today... before x date arrives... etc.)?

Yes, something which has actually happened that was predicted specifically as going to happen. Something like the major earthquake that devastated Japan. It sure would have helped the Japanese if they had been warned that this would happend to them and when it would happen to them.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Define "major event".

An event of worldwide consequence. That could include natural disasters, acts of God, political and governmental events (like who will win the next Presidential election), or terrorist events. It would surely have helped folks in New York City if your prophet, seer, and revelator, had warned them before 9/11/01.

 

[TasteForTruth]

Are these the criteria that you apply to every Bible prophet? I seem to recall Pompeii getting cooked while at least one or two of the original twelve were still alive. It sure would have helped the Pompeiians had the apostles warned them that Mt. Vesuvius was gonna blow her top. Seems to me that your standard is to judge a prophet on the basis of the divine intervention you think is fair or just or good—and selectively at that! For I dare say you'll give the NT apostles a pass, in spite of the poor, roasted Pompeiians!

 

[RevelationTestament]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what was the last major event which came to pass which had been predicted by a Mormon prophet?

30 yrs before the civil war:
D& C 87 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

Brigham Young also claimed that the LDS people would become rich - among the richest people in the world.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Are these the criteria that you apply to every Bible prophet? I seem to recall Pompeii getting cooked while at least one or two of the original twelve were still alive. It sure would have helped the Pompeiians had the apostles warned them that Mt. Vesuvius was gonna blow her top. Seems to me that your standard is to judge a prophet on the basis of the divine intervention you think is fair or just or good—and selectively at that! For I dare say you'll give the NT apostles a pass, in spite of the poor, roasted Pompeiians!

We all know that not every worldwide event was prophesied. However, many were such as the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. I am not asking if your prophets have foretold every major worldwide catastrophe, but merely which, if any, have been foretold in recent years.

 

[bbbbbbb]

30 yrs before the civil war:
D& C 87 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

Brigham Young also claimed that the LDS people would become rich - among the richest people in the world.

Thanks. I was thinking of more recent prophesies. BTW, overall the LDS are no better off financially than the average American, so it looks like one of the prophesies is still waiting for fulfillment, unless you deem it to mean that they would be living among the richest people in the world - Americans.

 

[TasteForTruth]

We all know that not every worldwide event was prophesied. However, many were such as the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. I am not asking if your prophets have foretold every major worldwide catastrophe, but merely which, if any, have been foretold in recent years.

And I'm trying to understand why you're asking. In your previous two posts, you seemed to be critical of Mormon prophets because they had not foreward the peoples affected by two specific catastrophes. IE, it feels less like you're sincerely interested and more like you're just fishing for a reason to bask in what you consider a foregone conclusion—that LDS prophets are not prophets at all. And this, based on the single criterion you set. So, naturally, I reflect your own narrow standard on your own religious views. If your own views can't support its weight, then you're using a double-standard.

 

[SwordoftheLord]

30 yrs before the civil war:
D& C 87 1 Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;

Brigham Young also claimed that the LDS people would become rich - among the richest people in the world.

ummmm nope....lets look at it with more detail, before we post something Especially when it was not 30 years before the civil war.

“Very thus saith the Lord, concerning the [1] wars that will shortly come to pass [2] beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls, and the days will come that [3] war will be poured out upon all Nations beginning at this place for behold the southern states shall be divided against the Northern States, and [4] the Southern States will call on other Nation even the Nation of Great Britain as it is called and they shall also call upon other Nations in order to defend themselves against other Nations and thus war shall be poured out upon all Nations and it shall come to pass after many days [5] Slaves shall rise up against their Masters who shall be Marshaled and disciplined for war [6] and it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will martial [marshal] themselves also and shall become exceeding angry and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation and [7] thus with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn and with famine and plague, and Earthquake and the thunder of heaven and the fierce and vivid lightning also shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath and indignation and chastening hand of an Almighty God until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all Nations that the cry of the saints and the blood of the saints shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth from the earth to be avenged of their enemies wherefore stand ye in holy places and be not moved until the day of the Lord come, for be hold it cometh quickly saith the Lord.”

- Doctrine and Covenants 87; online at http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/87

1. Four weeks before this prophecy, on November 24, 1832, a tariff nullification ordinance was passed in South Carolina. This ordinance dismissed “certain acts of the Congress of the United States” (see Ford, The Federalist…). In October 1832, U.S. President Andrew Jackson warned forts in S.C. that a confrontation with the state was possible.
2. The idea that a war would break out, starting in South Carolina, was common knowledge at this time. On December 21, 1832 the Painesville Telegraph (only 10 miles from Smith’s home) ran an article entitled “The Crisis,” which discussed the potential civil war. Also, the Morning Courier and New York Enquirer ran articles expressing concern about a possible war (these sources are cited frequently in Church publications at the time (i.e. The Evening and Morning Star).
3. Smith’s prophecy fails here due to his prediction that the civil war would bring war to “all nations.” This did not happen.
4. Although the southern states did ask Great Britain for help, Great Britain never got directly involved in the war, and Great Britain never called upon other countries “to defend themselves against other Nations.”
5. Although some slaves surely did rise up against their masters, this did not happen in large numbers. In fact “between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity” (see Williams, “Blacks Who Fought For the South,” Washington Times) during the war.
6. “The remnants” which were defined by Joseph smith as Native Americans (“Lamanites”) never did “vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation” because of the war.
7. Nations did not come to a “full end” due to the war, and there was no increase in famine, plague, earthquakes, or thunder and lightning.

 

[RevelationTestament]

ummmm nope....lets look at it with more detail, before we post something Especially when it was not 30 years before the civil war.

“Very thus saith the Lord, concerning the [1] wars that will shortly come to pass [2] beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls, and the days will come that [3] war will be poured out upon all Nations beginning at this place for behold the southern states shall be divided against the Northern States, and [4] the Southern States will call on other Nation even the Nation of Great Britain as it is called and they shall also call upon other Nations in order to defend themselves against other Nations and thus war shall be poured out upon all Nations and it shall come to pass after many days [5] Slaves shall rise up against their Masters who shall be Marshaled and disciplined for war [6] and it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will martial [marshal] themselves also and shall become exceeding angry and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation and [7] thus with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn and with famine and plague, and Earthquake and the thunder of heaven and the fierce and vivid lightning also shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath and indignation and chastening hand of an Almighty God until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all Nations that the cry of the saints and the blood of the saints shall cease to come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth from the earth to be avenged of their enemies wherefore stand ye in holy places and be not moved until the day of the Lord come, for be hold it cometh quickly saith the Lord.”

- Doctrine and Covenants 87; online at http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/87

1. Four weeks before this prophecy, on November 24, 1832, a tariff nullification ordinance was passed in South Carolina. This ordinance dismissed “certain acts of the Congress of the United States” (see Ford, The Federalist…). In October 1832, U.S. President Andrew Jackson warned forts in S.C. that a confrontation with the state was possible.
2. The idea that a war would break out, starting in South Carolina, was common knowledge at this time. On December 21, 1832 the Painesville Telegraph (only 10 miles from Smith’s home) ran an article entitled “The Crisis,” which discussed the potential civil war. Also, the Morning Courier and New York Enquirer ran articles expressing concern about a possible war (these sources are cited frequently in Church publications at the time (i.e. The Evening and Morning Star).
3. Smith’s prophecy fails here due to his prediction that the civil war would bring war to “all nations.” This did not happen.
4. Although the southern states did ask Great Britain for help, Great Britain never got directly involved in the war, and Great Britain never called upon other countries “to defend themselves against other Nations.”
5. Although some slaves surely did rise up against their masters, this did not happen in large numbers. In fact “between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity” (see Williams, “Blacks Who Fought For the South,” Washington Times) during the war.
6. “The remnants” which were defined by Joseph smith as Native Americans (“Lamanites”) never did “vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation” because of the war.
7. Nations did not come to a “full end” due to the war, and there was no increase in famine, plague, earthquakes, or thunder and lightning.

Um Yep. The prophecy is still being fulfilled. The prophecy was concerning the wars which would shortly come to pass. The Civil War was just the first. And war was poured out on all nations fairly soon after the civil war in the first World War.

 

[Ironhold]

Thanks. I was thinking of more recent prophesies. BTW, overall the LDS are no better off financially than the average American, so it looks like one of the prophesies is still waiting for fulfillment, unless you deem it to mean that they would be living among the richest people in the world - Americans.

Actually, the church has become so famous for producing MBAs and business leaders (sample list compiled by Bloomberg Business Week) that non-Mormon sources have been trying to figure out what we're doing right.

So this one is well on its way to being fulfilled.

 

[Ironhold]

3. Smith’s prophecy fails here due to his prediction that the civil war would bring war to “all nations.” This did not happen.

Take a look at world history and you'll see that from the time of the Civil War onward the world has not known peace but for brief seasons because of all of the conflicts that have broken out.

7. Nations did not come to a “full end” due to the war, and there was no increase in famine, plague, earthquakes, or thunder and lightning.

The period of war that we've seen since then has caused nation after nation to be sundered.

 

[Ran77]

Actually, the church has become so famous for producing MBAs and business leaders (sample list compiled by Bloomberg Business Week) that non-Mormon sources have been trying to figure out what we're doing right.

So this one is well on its way to being fulfilled.

I'm pretty sure that based on census data the LDS is the highest educated population group in the United States.

 

[IchoozJC]

Ah, Mormon pride. Don't have to push hard to see the ego.

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

 

[SwordoftheLord]

Um Yep. The prophecy is still being fulfilled. The prophecy was concerning the wars which would shortly come to pass. The Civil War was just the first. And war was poured out on all nations fairly soon after the civil war in the first World War.

Trying to push things into the prophecy that isnt there, sounds just like all the other failed prophecies. Not to mention this prophecy wasnt 30 years before the war, but a few weeks before it. Just sayin......

 

[Ironhold]

Ah, Mormon pride. Don't have to push hard to see the ego.

Who said anything about pride?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Actually, the church has become so famous for producing MBAs and business leaders (sample list compiled by Bloomberg Business Week) that non-Mormon sources have been trying to figure out what we're doing right.

So this one is well on its way to being fulfilled.

Actually, if one wishes to boast about the financial success of a religious group, the Jews have the soundest claim to it.

While I realize that there are many non-Mormons living in Utah, there is a majority of the population who are Mormon. Thus, it is reasonable to examine statistics from Utah relative to your claim. Here is a link to the statistics for your own examination - Utah locations by per capita income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will see that Utah ranks 39 out of 50 states for per capita income, placing it well below the national average. In the counties with the larger populations (which also have most of the non-Mormon population) the per capita income is markedly higher. If you wish to focus on those counties with purely LDS populations you will readily see that their per capita incomes are substantially lower.

Thus, your claim (and the prophecy) are false.