Sabbath was made for man

[from scratch]

Yes Scratch that is strange as I remember Jesus saying He did and I choose to believe Him!

And so....

 

[Blanca]

Sorry to see that someone has taken down the article Life Among the Sadeventists: They're Always Watching originally posted on the Atheist Oasis 4/7/11. :-/

That's the part about growing up SDA, and what I constantly notice about SDA behavior on these sites: The lies that go on, denying what they believe, denying they know anything about EG White, denying that they are SDA. I remember when an evangelist would come through and they would rent an auditorium and all of the literature would carefully have any reference to EG White and SDA removed. It is troubling that it is either that embarrassing or they know their reputation is so horrible they have to disguise who they really are. I.E. "Lie about who they are."

If they are from God, why do they have to lie so much about everything? And here are some articles on the unfortunate outcome from growing up without a choice as SDA. Read the comments below the articles. The number of atheists that Seventh Day Adventism creates is truly mind-boggling: Life Among the Sadventists: They're Always Watching (Atheist Oasis).

 

[BobRyan]

It can only make sense that when God first gave the Sabbath it was to men. .

That is true - and soooo many of the pro-sunday groups listed in the signature line below affirm this point in Genesis 2:1-3 just as God does in Ex 20:11 regarding the 7 day creation event and the Sabbath "made for mankind" as Christ said Mark 2:27.

No wonder then that God says "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

There does indeed "remain therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4 -- all through the Is 66:23 "New Heaven and New Earth" period of time -- starting in Gen 2:1-3 of course.

(Oh if only they could "spin" all the pro-Sunday groups promoting the 4th commandment Sabbath for mankind -- listed below into "nobody else but Adventists so we can speak ill of them")

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gibs]

That is true - and soooo many of the pro-sunday groups listed in the signature line below affirm this point in Genesis 2:1-3 just as God does in Ex 20:11 regarding the 7 day creation event and the Sabbath "made for mankind" as Christ said Mark 2:27.

No wonder then that God says "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

There does indeed "remain therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4 -- all through the Is 66:23 "New Heaven and New Earth" period of time -- starting in Gen 2:1-3 of course.

(Oh if only they could "spin" all the pro-Sunday groups promoting the 4th commandment Sabbath for mankind -- listed below into "nobody else but Adventists so we can speak ill of them")

in Christ,

Bob

Speaking ill will accomplish nothing without facts to show of the wrong way.

Truth can stand investigation and invites it heartily.

Of the Sabbath I have to agree it was made for man, all men.

Mr 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The posterity of Adam and Eve are all mankind. We note He didn't single out any special group that developed from them.

Another thing that I am totally sure of is if He had changed Sabbath to another day there would have been a very clear statement of it in His Word.

 

[BobRyan]

Amen! And Amen!

 

[from scratch]

Speaking ill will accomplish nothing without facts to show of the wrong way.

Truth can stand investigation and invites it heartily.

Of the Sabbath I have to agree it was made for man, all men.

Mr 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

The posterity of Adam and Eve are all mankind. We note He didn't single out any special group that developed from them.

Another thing that I am totally sure of is if He had changed Sabbath to another day there would have been a very clear statement of it in His Word.

As I've shown your interpretation of MK 2:27 doesn't agree with what Moses clearly said in Ex 31:13. One of them is a lair according to your view of MK 2:27. Do you understand what this does to the Bible?

 

[BobRyan]

As I've shown your interpretation of MK 2:27 doesn't agree with what Moses clearly said in Ex 31:13. One of them is a lair

Sadly the logical fallacy of "either or" that you are using has been debunked for ages.

As in the case in all of scripture it is "both and" that carries the meaning in the texts.

As we all knew.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Sadly the logical fallacy of "either or" that you are using has been debunked for ages.

As in the case in all of scripture it is "both and" that carries the meaning in the texts.

As we all knew.

in Christ,

Bob

No it clearly hasn't. No it isn't. Moses clearly limits the Sabbath to Israel.

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Speak to who? Israel is what my Bible says.

Ye is most definitely Israel and not all mankind.

It is a sign between who? I read God and Israel. You read God and all mankind. That is simply twisting the text to mean something it doesn't say. Ask any English teacher not on the take.

Who did God give a sign to? It can't be the whole world as in all mankind. That wouldn't be making any significance..

 

[Gibs]

As I've shown your interpretation of MK 2:27 doesn't agree with what Moses clearly said in Ex 31:13. One of them is a lair according to your view of MK 2:27. Do you understand what this does to the Bible?

No, EX 31:13 don't do nothing of the kind as they were mankind and it happened Moses was sent to Israel and the program was to go to all other groups of the posterity of Adam. It finally did but Satan keeps men from the truth of things.

Salvation was equally for all not just Israel but apostasy came in after Adam just as it has since Christ started off His Church on the right foot but here we are and few in His Church today.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It didn't fall and none better call Him a liar, I say get in it, it still is, I am a member and it is no denomination. It is named by Him, "MY CHURCH".

 

[from scratch]

No, EX 31:13 don't do nothing of the kind as they were mankind and it happened Moses was sent to Israel and the program was to go to all other groups of the posterity of Adam. It finally did but Satan keeps men from the truth of things.

Sorry, Israel isn't all mankind. No this covenant and its sign wasn't made with all mankind or any one previously. See Deut 5:3.

Salvation was equally for all not just Israel but apostasy came in after Adam just as it has since Christ started off His Church on the right foot but here we are and few in His Church today.

At the issuance of the law (covenant) salvation wasn't a provision. The law only condemns and sentences one to death. This is why its called the ministration of death.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It didn't fall and none better call Him a liar, I say get in it, it still is, I am a member and it is no denomination. It is named by Him, "MY CHURCH".

That's right and that includes the sabbatarian organizations.

 

[Gibs]

Sorry, Israel isn't all mankind. No this covenant and its sign wasn't made with all mankind or any one previously. See Deut 5:3.At the issuance of the law (covenant) salvation wasn't a provision. The law only condemns and sentences one to death. This is why its called the ministration of death.That's right and that includes the sabbatarian organizations.

Israel was a part of mankind at that time. Break any today and the penalty in the end is the same, eternal death and that is what was being taught then.

God does not require more of one than He does another, He isn't a favorites operator

His Church, Eklesia, or "My Church" as He called it continue to this day keeping the Holy Sabbath day!

 

[Gibs]

Sorry, Israel isn't all mankind. No this covenant and its sign wasn't made with all mankind or any one previously. See Deut 5:3.At the issuance of the law (covenant) salvation wasn't a provision. The law only condemns and sentences one to death. This is why its called the ministration of death.That's right and that includes the sabbatarian organizations.

If His Church had of changed from His Holy day to another it would cease to be His Church. He gave it no such command. Such a command only came from men.

 

[Gibs]

No it clearly hasn't. No it isn't. Moses clearly limits the Sabbath to Israel.

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

Speak to who? Israel is what my Bible says.

Ye is most definitely Israel and not all mankind.

It is a sign between who? I read God and Israel. You read God and all mankind. That is simply twisting the text to mean something it doesn't say. Ask any English teacher not on the take.

Who did God give a sign to? It can't be the whole world as in all mankind. That wouldn't be making any significance..

His Word is not different from one people that developed out of Adam to another, He is not the Author of confusion, only Satan and men enter that role!

 

[from scratch]

Israel was a part of mankind at that time. Break any today and the penalty in the end is the same, eternal death and that is what was being taught then.

God does not require more of one than He does another, He isn't a favorites operator

His Church, Eklesia, or "My Church" as He called it continue to this day keeping the Holy Sabbath day!

No. some groups think and say they are.

God isn't a favorites operator? Did He say I will have mercy on who I will have mercy. Did God say I loved Jacob and hated Esau.

 

[Gibs]

No. some groups think and say they are.

God isn't a favorites operator? Did He say I will have mercy on who I will have mercy. Did God say I loved Jacob and hated Esau.

Of His Church, only groups that DO worship in TRUTH and in SPIRIT are His Church or He isn't in it and His Presence only constitutes Church!

God truly loves all sinners, it is the sinners ways He hates, He loves even Satan, one of His brightest creations, but it is His ways of iniquity that he developed in himself.

All of His creation He saw was good and He loves it all.

 

[mercy1061]

No. some groups think and say they are.

God isn't a favorites operator? Did He say I will have mercy on who I will have mercy. Did God say I loved Jacob and hated Esau.

The slaves needed mercy; so they were shown mercy. Why did G-d hate Esau? Did Esau do what you are trying to do Israel?

 

[mercy1061]

Of His Church, only groups that DO worship in TRUTH and in SPIRIT are His Church or He isn't in it and His Presence only constitutes Church!

The church is the church.

God truly loves all sinners, it is the sinners ways He hates, He loves even Satan, one of His brightest creations, but it is His ways of iniquity that he developed in himself.

G-d hates evil, contrary to popular oppinion, G-d did not create Satan. On which day did G-d create Satan?

All of His creation He saw was good and He loves it all.

Satan is like a bad tree that can not bear good fruit, so thus, G-d did NOT plant Satan in his garden.

 

[from scratch]

If His Church had of changed from His Holy day to another it would cease to be His Church. He gave it no such command. Such a command only came from men.

That covenant is no longer enforce. Thus nothing from it is. No I didn't give permission to sin. Sin was before the law.

 

[from scratch]

His Word is not different from one people that developed out of Adam to another, He is not the Author of confusion, only Satan and men enter that role!

Reading problem?

 

[from scratch]

Of His Church, only groups that DO worship in TRUTH and in SPIRIT are His Church or He isn't in it and His Presence only constitutes Church!

God truly loves all sinners, it is the sinners ways He hates, He loves even Satan, one of His brightest creations, but it is His ways of iniquity that he developed in himself.

All of His creation He saw was good and He loves it all.

So if one doesn't worship on Saturday they're heathen without God. Any time you want to stop declaring your church is The Church is fine with me. Such activity is only evidence of being a controlling cult promoting itself.