Praying for Satan

[Hikarifuru]

This was a new thought to me and i read this statement from a facebook user

I prayed for Satan all the time when I was little. It seemed awful that god was going to torture him for forever but was willing to forgive us, so most nights in tears I begged god to just forgive him and make hell go away. Don't know why more people don't do that

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It was very sad for me to read, this child felling compelled to urge her father and lord to not hurt us .

What do you think of praying for the one sinner who needed it most?

 

[football5680]

The Angels who rebelled against God did it with full knowledge of the consequences and they would never seek forgiveness.

 

[Faulty]

Satan has no mediator like we do.

He would require a kinsman redeemer, a biblical concept that requires a kind to redeem the same kind, in our case, a man to redeem man, and this redeemer must fully satisfy all the legal debt before God for that kind. That's why we required someone who was both God and man.

The angels don't have that, but you do. Besides, what makes you think he'd even want to be forgiven? All men have this available to them, but most still reject it because they love their sin. Thinking he'd even want such a option is a rather absurd assumption.

Besides, his judgment is already completed and the sentence has been passed. He's just awaiting incarceration. We know from scriptures his ultimate destination and that the lake of fire is eternal. It's been set and no amount of prayer will change it.

 

[Hikarifuru]

The Angels who rebelled against God did it with full knowledge of the consequences and they would never seek forgiveness.

Christians often say the same thing of other people, that those who go to hell actually get what they wanted and new about it. Having known isnt a reason to not try to help someone and a lot of christians also believe that humans cant seek the god first either, that the god must first change them.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Satan has no mediator like we do.

He would require a kinsman redeemer, a biblical concept that requires a kind to redeem the same kind, in our case, a man to redeem man, and this redeemer must fully satisfy all the legal debt before God for that kind. That's why we required someone who was both God and man.

The angels don't have that, but you do. Besides, what makes you think he'd even want to be forgiven? All men have this available to them, but most still reject it because they love their sin. Thinking he'd even want such a option is a rather absurd assumption.

Besides, his judgment is already completed and the sentence has been passed. He's just awaiting incarceration. We know from scriptures his ultimate destination and that the lake of fire is eternal. It's been set and no amount of prayer will change it.

Prayers of all sorts were answered before the jesus character came in the new testament. What makes you think the god of the bible isnt willing to forgive and save the satan character? Since when does he desire people to perish? The bible says that its god character changes peoples hearts.

My main concern here was your desire to pray for Satan, not a biblical study on prayer or angels or the nature of evil.

 

[Targaryen]

Abrahamic (though I'm not sure of the view in Islam, any Muslim can correct me on this point) theological stance is that Angels, of which Satan was one puts them in a different position in terms of prayer and stance then humans.

Kind of like us prayin for an extra-terrestrial soul that may or may not require it.

In theological practise, Satan and other angels were a heavenly created race to serve God as his heavenly servants. Intermediaries if you will tween Him and His mortal creation. So the idea in our way of understanding is, the angelic host was created to be different then mankind was. That meant they had full knowledge of God's plan and scope of creation. Whereas mankind was born with a knowledge but one that was to innocent of the consequences of their mistakes (sin).

Angels however were different in the sense that not only were they created to serve God as his chosen messengers and intermediaries but their knowledge was full, they were unaware of their choices could lead to breaking God's plan and will. Thus when you talk about his choice to rebel against god, you have to be aware that for the angelic race...as Abrahamic tradition would suggest, such a thing would mean that there was no way they could be redeemed. It was a fully concious choice to break the will of God's.....and unlike mankind's fall, Satan's fall wasn't done out of innocence but in challenge.

So really, from a theological perspective I could empathize with the child and see the point but by that same token, I couldn't say if I could pray from Satan only cause I have no position to do so. And we don't know if the rebellion against Satan was really part of God's will or not. if it is, that would mean acting counter to God's will. if it isn't, then it's like I could pray for that saving grace but this would be praying for someone that knew that Jesus was the son of God and yet still tried to get him to fall.


Very interesting question, I look forward to seeing other responses or follow up questions.

 

[Roseheart]

Other posters have already pointed out why Satan cannot be redeemed - however, imagine for a moment that he could. If so many mere humans, with a rebellious and sinful spirit such as we have, reject God's gift of salvation, then how could we ever dream that Satan, who is much worse, would ever accept it?

 

[Targaryen]

Other posters have already pointed out why Satan cannot be redeemed - however, imagine for a moment that he could. If so many mere humans, with a rebellious and sinful spirit such as we have, reject God's gift of salvation, then how could we ever dream that Satan, who is much worse, would ever accept it?

If he would accept it, that could redefine a lot of "givens" for the Church.

So many what if's come out of that....

 

[Hikarifuru]

Everyone is providing that a person who fully knew better cannot be redeemed... though i dont think that reflects the christian life at all. The Old Testament brought the Law and informed humanity as Paul said in Romans. Alot of christians also believe that Romans 1 provides that no one is unaware or innocent.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Other posters have already pointed out why Satan cannot be redeemed - however, imagine for a moment that he could. If so many mere humans, with a rebellious and sinful spirit such as we have, reject God's gift of salvation, then how could we ever dream that Satan, who is much worse, would ever accept it?

Would you say that the god is incapable of reaching and redeeming him? If not then why not redeem instead of destroy?

 

[Roseheart]

Would you say that the god is incapable of reaching and redeeming him? If not then why not redeem instead of destroy?

I do not believe Satan can be saved or redeemed - I just want to reiterate that before I go further, that I agree with the other posters here.

In the hypothetical situation that he could - then, yes, I believe God can reach and redeem anybody. But He doesn't - He never forces His gift on anybody - they have to be the ones to accept and receive it. If Satan could be redeemed, I don't think he would ever accept that gift, were it offered to him.

 

[Targaryen]

Satan though isn't a person as you would think. That's why the concept is a bit of a game of theological guess who. Cause simply, the concept of Satan is not like mankind at all. That's why you may feel as if it's a run around.

It's like thinking if alien life, intelligent alien life exists and how to deal with that first contact....not quite the same but it's as much of a unknown.

 

[Hikarifuru]

I do not believe Satan can be saved or redeemed - I just want to reiterate that before I go further, that I agree with the other posters here.

In the hypothetical situation that he could - then, yes, I believe God can reach and redeem anybody. But He doesn't - He never forces His gift on anybody - they have to be the ones to accept and receive it. If Satan could be redeemed, I don't think he would ever accept that gift, were it offered to him.

I see, thanks for sharing

 

[Hikarifuru]

Satan though isn't a person as you would think. That's why the concept is a bit of a game of theological guess who. Cause simply, the concept of Satan is not like mankind at all. That's why you may feel as if it's a run around.

It's like thinking if alien life, intelligent alien life exists and how to deal with that first contact....not quite the same but it's as much of a unknown.

Well it sounds like red herring to me. Its a being thats being found in sin and destroyed all the same, i dont think the type of creature has much bearing. But thanks for sharing.