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This thread isn't going where it was meant to, but i'll chime in...
God's timeline isn't the same as ours. Keep in mind that to God, a human's life is like the blink of an eye.
To be honest the real answer to, "what is he waiting for?," is..He's waiting for YOU.
God's timeline isn't the same as ours. Keep in mind that to God, a human's life is like the blink of an eye.
To be honest the real answer to, "what is he waiting for?," is..He's waiting for YOU.
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Yes the old, "a day is like a thousand years, a thousand years is like a day" canard.
It sounds like an excuse to me. He knows people will become impatient. He knows people will start to doubt the story if it takes 20 centuries for something to happen. He must not be in any hurry to win some of us over, is the only thing I can figure.
You say he's waiting on me? Well unfortunately, I have been waiting on him. Guess he's gonna have to wait a while longer.
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Either that or what I say is true. Yes, He's going to wait a while longer if that's what it'll take to find your love.
What you said is true: you are waiting on Him. He moves, then we move. God knows your words right now and I ask Him to reveal Himself to you.
Contrary to popular belief, my God is not a jerk.
He understands our frustration. I hope and pray that He moves in your life soon and shows you His complete goodness and glory.
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Hey, don't tell us this whole 'god is moving on a different timeline and noone can predict when it happens' shtick. Tell that to the people who post 'signs of the apocalypse' on this forum every few days.
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God is moving on a different timeline. I have no idea what the signs of the apocalypse really are, but the fact that it could come at any time is real.
We should all repent now, because this day might be our last. Apocalypse or not.
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That verse is from the book of the Bible that most angers me--II Peter.
If you follow the writings of Paul, you realize that with Paul's encouragement many early Christians opted to forgo marriage and childbearing due to the conviction that Christ would return in their generation after a period of violence that would be particularly unfortunate for mothers and their small children. This belief was based on Christ's prophesy recorded in Matt. 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 that states, "...this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."
By the time of the writing of II Peter, most if not all of that generation had passed away. So, people were questioning. The writer of II Peter hand-waves those lives sacrificed to a false belief aside by deftly re-framing the prophecy in a way that renders it untouchable. Now, with God a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Jesus' prediction of his return in "this generation" can now mean anytime, ever.
Too bad. So sad.
Then, just to be on the safe side, the writer pronounces Paul's writings hard to understand and any literal understanding of their meaning a sign that one is ignorant and unstable, thereby robbing those writings of any risk of reinforcing the sad mistake that many of Paul's followers had made.
Rug. Broom. Sweep.
The rest of the book is a paean to colorful insults, claims to sole ownership of orthodoxy and spectral threats.
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And Brazil didn't expect to be beaten 7-1.
Glass*Soul, you can't blame people's interpretation of the Bible for some alleged decision making that you disagree with. I don't think it was Paul's intention that nobody get married or have children, nor do I think that everyone would have interpreted it that way.
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That was not my claim. Not everyone decided to forgo marriage. Some did it. Paul encouraged it but did not insist upon it.
I'm not speaking against those who made life decisions based on a prophecy they took to heart. Nor am I speaking against Paul who believed the same thing and encouraged them.
I'm angry at the author of II Peter for:
- Using rhetorical sleight of hand to wave away the whole dilemma as if those who sacrificed married life and parenthood had stupidly forgotten a simple prophetic guideline and had taken Christ literally (when he gave no hint whatsoever that he was being anything but).
- Labeling as "scoffers" those who had begun to examine the significance of the dying off of that generation Christ spoke of.
- Dealing with Paul, whom he apparently couldn't accuse of being mistaken, by proclaiming him Hard To Understand and therefore making anything he said subject to interpretation by the authorities (themselves), all those disagreeing being ignorant and unstable.
That book is so full of verbal abuse, manipulation and trickery it is staggering.
I'm sorry, Blessed. II Peter is a real faith-breaker for me. Not a breaker of belief in supernatural claims. Supernatural claims don't mean much to me. What it breaks for me is my faith in the early church. I don't think it was very nice. I think it become not nice at all pretty quickly as the first generation of Christians began to bow out and die off.
There can be a lot of steps to losing one's faith. It is a long journey of sorting through the rubble and finding what still rings true and what does not--what the full import of Christ's message really is and it's not. There are sad weigh stations all along the road. Much magical thinking to be cast off.
Jellyfish notwithstanding.
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I really gotta read the bible someday. If anything, just to gain a better understanding of the stories themselves.
I think of Penn Jillete when he says the best argument he found against the God of the bible was a reading of the bible itself.
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