What would have happened had Adam and Eve never sinned?

[Ken-1122]

If Adam and Eve never sinned, and lived an eternal life in the Garden of Eden without death, would they have eventually had children in the Garden? If there were no death, wouldn't it just be a matter of time before humans animals and insects overpopulate the planet due to reproduction without anyone or anything dying? Or do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this? Your thoughts?

Ken

 

[Meanstreak]

Yes, Adam and Eve were created with sex organs and they would have had children in the garden had they not have been expelled. In fact, God commanded them to do so, i.e. "be fruitful and multiply."

No, the Earth would not have overpopulated. God quite miraculously created the universe by speaking it into existance. I'm quite sure He's capable of managing the population of humans and other creatures quite adeptly. What exactly this looks like, I don't know, but I'm quite certain He's got it handled.

While your questions are curious, they are also irrelevant. God is sovereign and everything that happens, including Adam's rebellion, happens according to God's design. It was necessary for Adam to rebel and introduce sin to mankind in order for God to execute his plan of redemption. There are no alternate realities or "what if" possibilities.

 

[oi_antz]

If Adam and Eve never sinned, and lived an eternal life in the Garden of Eden without death, would they have eventually had children in the Garden? If there were no death, wouldn't it just be a matter of time before humans animals and insects overpopulate the planet due to reproduction without anyone or anything dying? Or do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this? Your thoughts?

Ken

There are other planets too. It is a vast universe. Is there a reason to think there is not enough for everyone?

 

[bling]

Given the Garden situation and human beings, I can tell you or God: “there was no way Adam and Eve will not eventually sin”. I do appreciate Adam and Eve going through the Garden situation since they and all of us gain a great deal of information from it.

 

[Ken-1122]

Given the Garden situation and human beings, I can tell you or God: “there was no way Adam and Eve will not eventually sin”. I do appreciate Adam and Eve going through the Garden situation since they and all of us gain a great deal of information from it.

What did we learn?

K

 

[dcalling]

What did we learn?

K

From my experience, we sometimes learn from history, but the young and fresh love to flex their muscle and the people in power are way more interested in keeping the power (or expanding the power).

Just as Adam and Eve will eventually sin, human beings as a whole will never escape it.

 

[Faulty]

If Adam and Eve never sinned, and lived an eternal life in the Garden of Eden without death, would they have eventually had children in the Garden? If there were no death, wouldn't it just be a matter of time before humans animals and insects overpopulate the planet due to reproduction without anyone or anything dying? Or do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this? Your thoughts?

Ken

He gave us the planet to subdue and to use as our own. Had we not fallen we would have been much smarter than we are now, and we would be seeking His guidance constantly, two things we don't currently have as a population.

Instead of immediately running to the assumption that it would have been a disaster, there are other outcomes available.

 

[bling]

What did we learn?

K

We need to understand what all we learned from the Garden, Adam and Eve. The Garden is the kind of place God really wants every person to be in and the place we think we would want to be. The Garden gives us confidence that there is a heavenly home. Adam and Eve were the best human representatives we could have: They were physically the best (a body that could last forever with the help of the tree of life, they were mentally as good as you can get since their brains had not been the result of any gene mutations, and they were raised (programmed) to maturity by the best parent you could have, God and they were in the best place on earth. The problem is the Garden is a lousy place for humans to fulfill their objective in life and Adam and Eve prove that. The objective of life is to obtain Godly type Love so we can Love God and others with this Love. If we truly have Godly type Love for God we will obey Him. In the Garden there was a way to obey God, but there was no need to accept God’s Love as a free undeserving gift. Adam and Eve would love God with a wonderful Child’s love for a wonderful parent, but that is an instinctive type love and not fully a Godly type Love that Loves in spite of the person being Loved. There was no reason for Adam and Eve to humble themselves, since they had done nothing wrong, and accept God’s Love.
Inside the Garden, Adam and Eve’s eternal close relationship was dependent on their personal ability to obey, while outside the Garden after sinning their eternal close relationship with God was dependent on God’s mercy/grace/Love/forgiveness. A system of being in a heaven on earth type situation and trying to accept Godly type Love and Love as a result does not work. A system of living on earth for a short time to accept Godly type Love in the form of forgiveness and then dying so we can be in an eternal Loving relationship in heaven works great. The problem is God has to quench His own desires and allow: satan to roam around, Christ to go to the cross, tragedies of all kinds, death, hell and even sin to happen.
That is just part of what we learned.

 

[Received]

I don't take the Eden story literally. I think it's a metaphor for the necessary tendency of innocence (childhood) to fall into sin and so realize good and evil (the age of accountability). We're all doomed to fall by our nature, so there's no such thing as a non-falling Adam and Eve.

 

[aiki]

If Adam and Eve never sinned, and lived an eternal life in the Garden of Eden without death, would they have eventually had children in the Garden?

It seems so.

If there were no death, wouldn't it just be a matter of time before humans animals and insects overpopulate the planet due to reproduction without anyone or anything dying?

This assumes God would not intervene to prevent such an outcome. God was integrally involved in the lives of Adam and Eve. He did not just set them loose in Eden and then walk away. And there is no biblical evidence to suggest that animals and plants had an eternal existence as Adam and Eve did.

Or do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

What God's intentions were in this regard is not spelled out in Scripture. No one knows how rapid human reproduction would have been if the Fall had not occurred.

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this? Your thoughts?

The Bible doesn't typically deal in hypotheticals.

Selah.

 

[theophilus777]

do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this?

I think the part where God Blessed them by saying be fruitful and multiply might address this, yes. Please notice this Blessing happened before the curse, before the fall. Also, one cannot read the whole Bible w/o realizing that ALL are included under sin. The only exception to that is Jesus, who only came under sin willingly, which is how He has power over it.

 

[SaphireOwl]

What if they'd have eaten of the tree of life prior to eating of the tree of knowledge?

Immortal sinners. Think of the tithe potential happening in prosperity doctrine churches. Not to mention the population of missionaries the world over.

As for scripture, all those passages that tell us God is omniscient, preplanned everything before we were born, that all things happen according to his divine planning and will and for his greater glory, tell us Adam and Eve had no choice but to eat of the tree.

If God had their best interests at heart why would he plant the one tree that his omniscience knew would damn those bearing his image and likeness for generations? Once they ate of the fruit that they were tempted to by the Satan he let survive on earth as lord? Not to mention bypass security so as to enter the garden in the first place.

"Never" is not a factor of the Adam and Eve story. Omniscient omnipotent predestination is.

 

[oi_antz]

What if they'd have eaten of the tree of life prior to eating of the tree of knowledge?

Immortal sinners. Think of the tithe potential happening in prosperity doctrine churches. Not to mention the population of missionaries the world over.

As for scripture, all those passages that tell us God is omniscient, preplanned everything before we were born, that all things happen according to his divine planning and will and for his greater glory, tell us Adam and Eve had no choice but to eat of the tree.

If God had their best interests at heart why would he plant the one tree that his omniscience knew would damn those bearing his image and likeness for generations? Once they ate of the fruit that they were tempted to by the Satan he let survive on earth as lord? Not to mention bypass security so as to enter the garden in the first place.

"Never" is not a factor of the Adam and Eve story. Omniscient omnipotent predestination is.

I want a pet owl, so cute! I don't have the necessary knowledge to know, so I can only assume. It seems to me that since the eventual outcome is that Jesus takes His chosen ones to a new world where there is no more death or sorrow or pain, those who He has chosen are the ones that are suitable. He speaks of the world as being a garden in two different parables. In one parable, He says an enemy sowed weeds. He tells his servants not to remove the weeds because it will upset the crop. Instead remove the weeds at harvest time and keep the crop. The other parable is about the farmer sowing the seed. Some fell on good soil, some on the path, some was eaten by the birds. This is informing us that not everyone will take the seed that God has sown and produce a crop from it. Therefore, some people just are not interested in being the sort of person that God ultimately wants.

 

[SaphireOwl]

I would love to cuddle a baby owl. They're so precious.

Per your observations here and to further that line of thought:

Don't you think if God is eternally conscious of all that is that he would know, and per the scriptures, who was to be that sort of person God wants?

And if God creates all people and predestines their lives prior to the moment they're born, and again per the scriptures, what does it say when those parables communicate that not all who are created are meant to enter glory?

I want a pet owl, so cute! I don't have the necessary knowledge to know, so I can only assume. It seems to me that since the eventual outcome is that Jesus takes His chosen ones to a new world where there is no more death or sorrow or pain, those who He has chosen are the ones that are suitable. He speaks of the world as being a garden in two different parables. In one parable, He says an enemy sowed weeds. He tells his servants not to remove the weeds because it will upset the crop. Instead remove the weeds at harvest time and keep the crop. The other parable is about the farmer sowing the seed. Some fell on good soil, some on the path, some was eaten by the birds. This is informing us that not everyone will take the seed that God has sown and produce a crop from it. Therefore, some people just are not interested in being the sort of person that God ultimately wants.

 

[oi_antz]

I would love to cuddle a baby owl. They're so precious.

Per your observations here and to further that line of thought:

Don't you think if God is eternally conscious of all that is that he would know, and per the scriptures, who was to be that sort of person God wants?

I believe so, yes. Though it couldn't be proven unless it actually happened.

And if God creates all people and predestines their lives prior to the moment they're born, and again per the scriptures, what does it say when those parables communicate that not all who are created are meant to enter glory?

Even if that parable was to cause one person to change their heart, that they might become fruit for the harvest, then the parable will have done what it was intended for, and Jesus' life was not wasted.

for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.

I am not sure if this addresses your point though, I was not sure exactly how to read your question.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Ken1122. God is omnipotent, God knows everything, and God would have known that Adam and Eve would sin. I believe it was God`s Plan to have to banish Adam and Eve to Earth, to learn to Love God and love all they come in contact with: in fact Love is a Christian`s great weapon. We know from the O.T. how hard it was to learn to love, and how selfish and unloving Mankind was. It was not until Jesus came and showed us what God really wants from us, that Mankind began to change.
In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells a Lawyer: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: Love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus did also
point out to us: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Very important, God wants our Love freely given and NO conditions tagged on. The Bible tells us: " Repent," and " Be Born Again."
We have to give up our selfishness and unloving/uncaring, and change into the sons and daughters which God wants us to become: Loving God with all our beings, and loving our neighbour as we love ourselves: neighbour:
all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends.
Matthew 7: 7-10: tells us: " Ask and ye shall receive." Then we thank God, and share all Love and Joy with our neighbour. God will see our loving efforts,
and God will approve and Bless us. We keep asking and thanking God, then we share all Love and Joy with all around us. People will treat us the same as we treat people, Love is very catching. We might stumble and forget at times,
but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on Loving and Caring.
Jesus our Saviour will help and guide us: JESUS IS THE WAY. That is what God wants from us, much Loving and Caring, and Jesus will lead us back to where we came from, OUR LOVING HEAVENLY FATHER. All we say and all we do, all we advice and stand for, MUST BE FROM LOVE AND COMPASSION.
I say this with love, Ken. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Ken-1122]

Dear Ken1122. God is omnipotent, God knows everything, and God would have known that Adam and Eve would sin. I believe it was God`s Plan to have to banish Adam and Eve to Earth, to learn to Love God and love all they come in contact with:

So you feel that when God created Adam and Eve they still needed to learn how to love the way God wanted them to love? Why wouldn't God create them with this ability from the start? Why would God create them one way, just to have them learn to become something different?

Ken

 

[Ken-1122]

I don't take the Eden story literally. I think it's a metaphor for the necessary tendency of innocence (childhood) to fall into sin and so realize good and evil (the age of accountability). We're all doomed to fall by our nature, so there's no such thing as a non-falling Adam and Eve.

If the Eden story is myth, what other stories in the bible are myth? How do you decipher truth from myth when reading the bible?

Ken
PS Didn't Jesus say something about "through one man sin entered the world" If this wasn't Adam, who was this one man?

 

[theophilus777]

If the Eden story is myth, what other stories in the bible are myth? How do you decipher truth from myth when reading the bible?

Important point: myth does not mean not true. Truth can exist independent from historic fact.

It would seem relevant to learn what Jews have said about these things, when they teach them. They held these stories for literally only God knows how long, before they were ever even written down, let alone in any form we know about. And it is my understanding that these things were never taught as literal history.

 

[ob77]

If Adam and Eve never sinned, and lived an eternal life in the Garden of Eden without death, would they have eventually had children in the Garden? If there were no death, wouldn't it just be a matter of time before humans animals and insects overpopulate the planet due to reproduction without anyone or anything dying? Or do we assume they would not have had any off spring; that God had no intention for them or the animals to reproduce. If that is the case, is it safe to assume they were originally created without sex organs?

Does anybody know of anything in the bible that might address this? Your thoughts?

Ken

They are ish and isha respectively. Adam the male issue and Eve the female issue. Adam began bisexual, then God separated the female portion from Adam and formed Eve and the two were one flesh. Adam was the first son of God - see Luke 3-38. The other races, except for Ishmael were already on earth. Ezekiel chapter 31 goes into detail how the Egyptians (Assyrians), were already a great and mighty empire when God was preparing the garden for Adam. Asiatics were also on earth, probably the first race on earth as their history and archeology shows. Adam and Eve would have procreated eventually, no matter where they were. Eve was seduced by Satan and bore Cain, Abel was from Adam, but it was not a perfect gestation, which is why seven gestations later, Adam proclaims that Seth, now, was his true seed to carry on. Cain and Abel were fraternal twins: an egg fertilized by two different sperm that split. One being Cain, Satan's offspring, and Abel being Adam's offspring. The initial sin was that Eve allowed Satan to inseminate her and thus establishing Satan's seed on earth which remains to this day