Is transgender a lie?

[Cute Tink]

Some are better than others in their trickery.

Nobody is trying to "trick" you. Transition is about us, not you

 

[cutekittycat]

Nobody is trying to "trick" you. Transition is about us, not you

oh it concerns them.. their children... don't want to pass teh trans...to the moogles...

 

[Hetta]

The preferred term is transwoman.

Thanks. I like to try to learn the correct terminology.

 

[Syd the Human]

Some are better than others in their trickery.

How is it a trick? Once they go through with it, in my eyes they are that gender. My best friend is transitioning. They are waiting until after college to start using hormones, but they have already bought clothes and have asked to be called by a different name. They aren't out to "trick" anyone, they are just being themselves the way they truly are.

And, I haven't been following this whole thing so can you give me a list as to why this is bad (outside of your religion, since both me and my friend do not believe in any gods)?

 

[Skybringr]

How is it a trick? Once they go through with it, in my eyes they are that gender.

If they were that gender, they wouldn't need a sex change.

It's literally trying to transition one's gender to another because they don't feel they should be the gender they are.

Until science has proved, which it has not, your eyes just see what they want to see just as they just want to be whoever they want to be.

 

[Hetta]

If they were that gender, they wouldn't need a sex change.

It's literally trying to transition one's gender to another because they don't feel they should be the gender they are.

Until science has proved, which it has not, your eyes just see what they want to see just as they just want to be whoever they want to be.

How can science "prove" people's feelings - ever?

I don't know how anyone can think that others embarks lightly on transitioning their sex.

 

[Cute Tink]

If they were that gender, they wouldn't need a sex change.

It's literally trying to transition one's gender to another because they don't feel they should be the gender they are.

Until science has proved, which it has not, your eyes just see what they want to see just as they just want to be whoever they want to be.

If a baby were really meant to survive, it wouldn't be born with a defective heart. We, as a society, don't accept that either.

 

[Nord Christian]

It makes them feel better. I guess as long as the transgendered people are happy, it works enough. Who knows, perhaps medicine will one day advance enough that people can more completely change their gender.

I've heard of some people really regretting making that decision after going through with the operation. In their minds, they'd always wanted to be of the opposite sex. I believe it's a mental condition. Possibly a hormonal imbalance as well.

 

[Skybringr]

How can science "prove" people's feelings - ever?

I don't know how anyone can think that others embarks lightly on transitioning their sex.

A 'feeling' is something of the mind, it does not determine gender.
It can easily be said that they are simply psychologically disturbed.

To say that the only way for them to be happy is to have a sex change- or they might go do something drastic like commit suicide..
is just a flat out, prohibitively convenient, anti-intuitive lie.

Why is this the case?
Because sex change therapy has only been around for a few decades. One would have to commit to a notion that transgenders were defects who killed themselves since the beginning of human history, and that is ridiculous.
There is on such thing as genuine transgender people.

 

[Cute Tink]

A 'feeling' is something of the mind, it does not determine gender.
It can easily be said that they are simply psychologically disturbed.

To say that the only way for them to be happy is to have a sex change- or they might go do something drastic like commit suicide..
is just a flat out, prohibitively convenient, anti-intuitive lie.

Why is this the case?
Because sex change therapy has only been around for a few decades. One would have to commit to a notion that transgenders were defects who killed themselves since the beginning of human history, and that is ridiculous.
There is on such thing as genuine transgender people.

Given your persistent refusal to educate yourself on the subject, statements like these continuing are of no surprise

 

[Cute Tink]

I've heard of some people really regretting making that decision after going through with the operation. In their minds, they'd always wanted to be of the opposite sex. I believe it's a mental condition. Possibly a hormonal imbalance as well.

So you judge all of us on the basis of a minority of the minority?

 

[StephanieSomer]

I've heard of some people really regretting making that decision after going through with the operation. In their minds, they'd always wanted to be of the opposite sex. I believe it's a mental condition. Possibly a hormonal imbalance as well.

To believe anything without evidence is idiocy. Even God does not expect us to believe Him without evidence. And He gives plenty.

So, on WHAT evidence do you base your belief that transsexualism is a mental condition or a hormone imbalance? ...Especially since doctors have agreed that the evidence is convincing that it is a medical condition.

 

[Skybringr]

So, on WHAT evidence do you base your belief that transsexualism is a mental condition or a hormone imbalance? ...Especially since doctors have agreed that the evidence is convincing that it is a medical condition.

By the fact that there is no evidence saying otherwise; that sober reasoning and virtues of conclusive study have actually managed to be put second to outlandish liberalism.

Doctors are not universally convinced. There is nothing to base such a conclusion on- they give people what they want. They don't have to exhaust themselves, and get paid in the process.

 

[StephanieSomer]

By the fact that there is no evidence saying otherwise; that sober reasoning and virtues of conclusive study have actually managed to be put second to outlandish liberalism.

Doctors are not universally convinced. There is nothing to base such a conclusion on- they give people what they want. They don't have to exhaust themselves, and get paid in the process.

An argument based on a negative existence. Sounds like something that would appeal to you.

However, your premise has already defeated you. There is evidence, and a lot of it.

 

[Cute Tink]

By the fact that there is no evidence saying otherwise; that sober reasoning and virtues of conclusive study have actually managed to be put second to outlandish liberalism.

Doctors are not universally convinced. There is nothing to base such a conclusion on- they give people what they want. They don't have to exhaust themselves, and get paid in the process.

Doctors aren't universally convinced of a lot of things. Somehow I find myself doubting that you base everything you accept on whether a group of people is universally convinced. So what makes this particular issue so special as to require universal agreement before you bother to understand it?

 

[Skybringr]

Doctors aren't universally convinced of a lot of things. Somehow I find myself doubting that you base everything you accept on whether a group of people is universally convinced. So what makes this particular issue so special as to require universal agreement before you bother to understand it?

Because the proposition is that a woman can be born in a male body.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Doctors are not universally convinced. There is nothing to base such a conclusion on- they give people what they want. They don't have to exhaust themselves, and get paid in the process.

Catholics, or any other denomination, don't universally agree on anything whatsoever concerning God, the Bible, or Salvation.

So, just what do you base your faith on, since you need universal agreement to concede that anything is valid.

 

[StephanieSomer]

Because the proposition is that a woman can be born in a male body.

Since when?

The proposition is that a male child can be born with a female gender. And vice versa.

 

[Cute Tink]

Because the proposition is that a woman can be born in a male body.

Because everyone is born the same and there is no deviation, physically or mentally?

 

[LoveandHappiness]

After reading some of the replies here, I went on YouTube and watched a documentary on the subject and I have to say it kind of tore me up on the subject. On the one hand, I feel that this whole transgender stuff has a lot to do with confused children trying to fit in. But apparently sometimes doctors actually misdiagnosed a child's gender at birth the poor souls. I feel like science is the problem here. Getting children to take artificial hormones to be more like the other sex is craziness.