My rock challenge

[Kylie]

An "embedded" age is an age. There must be a method to find out what the embedded age is. It is not easy to do that.

I give you a rock and ask you to find out the "embedded" age of it. Can you do it?

If the embedded age is older than 100 million years, then I can not use that rock. When the rock is determined to have an embedded age only 30 million years, could I use it? If I do, then I found the rock I want to use. Where is the deception? Why do I need to care about its real age?

Oh good grief...

I told you, the rock I created just now radio dates to 2 million years old. Isn't that good enough for you? You're just being pedantic now.

 

[Kylie]

It depends. If you want to test people to see if they can tell the ages you assigned to the rock, you are not deceptive.

I gave a question to students, some of them answered it wrong. Am I deceptive?

You are deceptive if you deliberately lead them to an answer that is not the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, they are the same age physically because they have both been physical objects for the same period of time.

But one has age embedded into it, as is your hobby, making it appear much older.

What is this? your version of embedded age?

If you create two rocks ex nihilo: one with two million years of embedded age and the other with none, then Rock A is two million years older than Rock B.

God created the earth with 4.57 billion years of embedded age, and the sun with some 5 billion years of embedded age.

You're not assuming they are both the same age physically, are you?

 

[juvenissun]

Oh good grief...

I told you, the rock I created just now radio dates to 2 million years old. Isn't that good enough for you? You're just being pedantic now.

But it could also be dated as 200 million years old. What would you say then?

 

[juvenissun]

You are deceptive if you deliberately lead them to an answer that is not the truth.

So you say if a student answered the question wrong, it is my fault? Who knows if the student is mislead or is ignorant? There is only harder question or easier question. There is no misleading question. A so-called "misleading" question is simply a harder question. Who are the student so he can question his instructor about test questions?

 

[juvenissun]

What is this? your version of embedded age?

If you create two rocks ex nihilo: one with two million years of embedded age and the other with none, then Rock A is two million years older than Rock B.

God created the earth with 4.57 billion years of embedded age, and the sun with some 5 billion years of embedded age.

You're not assuming they are both the same age physically, are you?

Hey, brother, I like this one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey, brother, I like this one.

Thank you!

I think this thread is Kylie's attempt at taking on Embedded Age creation.

 

[juvenissun]

Thank you!

I think this thread is Kylie's attempt at taking on Embedded Age creation.

I know. I am trying to tell her, embedded age is not a big deal and God is certainly not deceiving.

 

[BL2KTN]

I don't think it is anymore deceptive than creating a video game that appears to have aged forests. That said, the universe gives a plethora of signs that it is billions of years old. I doubt the Omphalos theory

 

[AV1611VET]

That said, the universe gives a plethora of signs that it is billions of years old.

And I take it one must be taught how to read these signs?

 

[BL2KTN]

Were you taught how to read this text?

 

[AV1611VET]

Were you taught how to read this text?

Yes.

 

[Kylie]

So you say if a student answered the question wrong, it is my fault? Who knows if the student is mislead or is ignorant? There is only harder question or easier question. There is no misleading question. A so-called "misleading" question is simply a harder question. Who are the student so he can question his instructor about test questions?

Of course the student is mislead! By intentionally misleading them to believe something else, you are misleading them!

 

[Kylie]

But it could also be dated as 200 million years old. What would you say then?

Care to explain how a 2 million year old rock can be dated to 200 million years old? Because you're just making stuff up.

 

[Kylie]

What is this? your version of embedded age?

If you create two rocks ex nihilo: one with two million years of embedded age and the other with none, then Rock A is two million years older than Rock B.

No it isn't, they have both existed for the same length of time.

God created the earth with 4.57 billion years of embedded age, and the sun with some 5 billion years of embedded age.

You're not assuming they are both the same age physically, are you?

No I don't, but I don't need any embedded age stuff either.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you create two rocks ex nihilo: one with two million years of embedded age and the other with none, then Rock A is two million years older than Rock B.

No it isn't, they have both existed for the same length of time.

What does both having existed for the same length of time have to do with embedded age?

The earth and Adam were only six days apart in existence, but the earth was 4.57 billion years old and Adam was 20 (or 30) years old.

No I don't, but I don't need any embedded age stuff either.

Well you certainly are demonstrating you don't know how it works.

I don't need "embedded age stuff" either.

 

[Kylie]

What does both having existed for the same length of time have to do with embedded age?

They are both the same age. Age is a process, it can't be embedded.

The earth and Adam were only six days apart in existence, but the earth was 4.57 billion years old and Adam was 20 (or 30) years old.

Unless the Earth was formed 4.57 billion years before Adam, this is wrong.

Well you certainly are demonstrating you don't know how it works.

because it doesn't work.

I don't need "embedded age stuff" either.

Yes you do. You mention it all the time.

But if you don't need it, I dare you to go for a month without referencing it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I create two rocks ex nihilo. I create one with two million years of embedded age and the other with none.

They are both the same age. Age is a process, it can't be embedded.

I think you're confused.

 

[Kylie]

I think you're confused.

And that is the point I am making. This embedded age stuff makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[AV1611VET]

This embedded age stuff makes no sense whatsoever.

Just don't think everyone else should agree with you.