Lucifer

[CherubRam]

KJV

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" is not a biblical word, it is not found in the original text.

Secret societies such as the Catholics and Masons who have translated our biblical text, they have inserted their own personal beliefs which has lead to much confusion. The good news is that the truth can be found, if you are willing to study hard enough.

 

[CherubRam]

Here is a link to scriptures that speak about the stars of God.

Morning Stars | Christian Forum

 

[LoAmmi]

Ben is plural "sons" now in Hebrew instead of singular "son"? I guess I should have kept up with my lessons.

 

[CherubRam]

Ben is plural "sons" now in Hebrew instead of singular "son"? I guess I should have kept up with my lessons.

In biblical Hebrew the word is singular or plural depending on how it is used.

 

[smaneck]

KJV

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" is not a biblical word, it is not found in the original text. Here is how that passage should read:
How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Stars, (plural) sons of the dawn! How is it that you are cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations.

I think you are bit confused. The word translated as 'heaven' Shomayim is in the plural, but not 'son of the dawn.' This is O Heilel Ben Shachar which is obviously singular.

The people of God are called Morning Stars, and it is Israel who once lay low the nations around it.

Sorry, you need to read the rest the passages which proceed it and provide the context for this prophesy. It is clearly addressed to the king of Babylon, as verse 14:4 indicates:

"4 that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,"

 

[smaneck]

KJV

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

The word "Lucifer" is not a biblical word, it is not found in the original text. Here is how that passage should read:
How you have fallen from heaven, O Morning Stars, (plural) sons of the dawn! How is it that you are cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations.

I think you are bit confused. The word translated as 'heaven' Shomayim is in the plural, but not 'son of the dawn.' This is Heilel Ben Shachar which is obviously singular. Heilel, incidentally is a reference to the planet Venus. The King of Babylon was claiming to be the god of the Morning Star (Venus) and Isaiah was saying he would fall like a star.

The people of God are called Morning Stars, and it is Israel who once lay low the nations around it.

Sorry, you need to read the rest of the chapter. It is clearly addressed to the king of Babylon, as verse 14:4 indicates:

"4 that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,"

 

[CherubRam]

I think you are bit confused. The word translated as 'heaven' Shomayim is in the plural, but not 'son of the dawn.' This is O Heilel Ben Shachar which is obviously singular.



Sorry, you need to read the rest the passages which proceed it and provide the context for this prophesy. It is clearly addressed to the king of Babylon, as verse 14:4 indicates:

"4 that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,"

Yes the word "HEAVEN" is plural. Now stop hopping around like a rabbit. In context no single person laid low the nations.

 

[smaneck]

Yes the word "HEAVEN" is plural. Now stop hopping around like a rabbit. In context no single person laid low the nations.

Okay, if you insist then Isaiah was wrong. But whether right or wrong the prophecy is still addressed to the King of Babylon.

 

[smaneck]

In biblical Hebrew the word is singular or plural depending on how it is used.

Yes, that is sometimes the case. Elohim in reference to God is singular although the form of the word is obviously plural. We can easily tell whether the plural or the singular is intended by looking to the verb form. Is the verb form of this passage plural?

Answer: No.

 

[CherubRam]

I think you are bit confused. The word translated as 'heaven' Shomayim is in the plural, but not 'son of the dawn.' This is Heilel Ben Shachar which is obviously singular. Heilel, incidentally is a reference to the planet Venus. The King of Babylon was claiming to be the god of the Morning Star (Venus) and Isaiah was saying he would fall like a star.



Sorry, you need to read the rest of the chapter. It is clearly addressed to the king of Babylon, as verse 14:4 indicates:

"4 that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say,"

Ahhh, yep. That is correct. The verse is about a person (singular) over the people.

 

[CherubRam]

Yes, that is sometimes the case. Elohim in reference to God is singular although the form of the word is obviously plural. We can easily tell whether the plural or the singular is intended by looking to the verb form. Is the verb form of this passage plural?

Answer: No.

The words (Venus / Day Star) is a parable.

 

[smaneck]

The words (Venus / Day Star-s / Morning Star-s) is a parable for people of God.

Evidence? Peer-reviewed please.

You come up with the craziest interpretations.

 

[CherubRam]

Evidence? Peer-reviewed please.

You come up with the craziest interpretations.

Did you take the time to read this? Morning Stars | Christian Forum

 

[smaneck]

Did you take the time to read this? Morning Stars | Christian Forum

Enough to know it contains no serious scholarship, just your own personal opinions.

 

[CherubRam]

Enough to know it contains no serious scholarship, just your own personal opinions.

There is always room to better a subject. What you know about scriptures I could fit in a thimble.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

There is always room to better a subject. What you know about scriptures I could fit in a thimble.

 

[BruceDLimber]

[to Susan] What you know about scriptures I could fit in a thimble.

Oh!

That must be why she has a PhD and is a university professor of middle-eastern religions.

 

[smaneck]

ROFL

 

[CherubRam]

Oh!

That must be why she has a PhD and is a university professor of middle-eastern religions.

And so are other Islamist, but that does not mean they have anymore truth in them.

 

[smaneck]

And so are other Islamist, but that does not mean they have anymore truth in them.

I'm not an Islamist, I'm an Islamicist, which means I study Islam. I also have a field in church history.

In any case, you seem to have confused truth with idle fancies and vain imaginings.