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Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men in this way?

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Does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men from doctrines of God in this way?

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Especially concerning end time apocalyptic doctrines but all doctrines of men are equally important to discern IMO? [/FONT]

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A &#8220;first&#8221; test by which some have learned to &#8220;discern&#8221; doctrines- of- men from doctrines- of- God is that someone's doctrines- from- God, (although &#8220;sometimes&#8221; "imperfect" in grammar, style, history, and even towards God's perfect omniscient viewpoint), would always be &#8220;taught&#8221; by a converting person in an infallible way which would always mentor holiness* in their adherents, [**] AND doctrines- of- men are systematically taught in a &#8220;dogmatic&#8221; and &#8220;harsh&#8221; way and so are invariably &#8220;erred&#8221; and would never promote holiness* in any adherent, who would become similarly &#8220;dogmatic&#8221; in their "enforcement" [+] of their &#8220;dogma&#8221; upon others.
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] (+: Note: for an example see the history of the valid disagreements concerning the doctrinal errs between M.Servetus and J.Calvin.) [/FONT]

[*: Holiness defined via scripture is - - "set apart for service" to "all" of mankind, and the Trinity does this without favoritism so that eventually 1 John 3:8b would be fulfilled in the earth as more "believers" would become "Holy" disciples of Jesus.]

[**: e.g. see the writings of the early church leaders in the Epistles and the Gospels and their own struggles in these areas]



So does anyone else in our forum discern-sift doctrines of men from doctrines of God in this way and if not what method have others been taught by God how to "discern"?


I know that Paul was continuously seeking God on ably discerning and confronting "all" of the various "gospels" and doctrines in his day, by what those doctrines or "gospels" promoted in their adherents, and something- like the "first- test" given above must have been his primary measure. This is why during the earliest times of his writing his epistles he wrote to the Galatians as strongly as he did, because he saw the end result of their errs could be a holocaust similarly to what occurred to the "religious" and the "Christian" Judaizers in 70AD Jerusalem.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]When they and their "Doctrines- of- Men" had caused them to cease being any salt or light towards the world and they were subsequently trampled under the feet of men.[/FONT]

God forbid this should happen in our generation and cultures.

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We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time, and ultimately in each generation we are all being &#8220;sifted&#8221; and &#8220;pruned&#8221; to be more and more fruitful than previous generations, and will either rise to the challenges or will fall- away with the chaff.

May our God empower each of us to &#8220;become&#8221; the &#8220;blessings&#8221; we have been &#8220;called&#8221; to become, as we would each learn to pray and obey the still small voice of Jesus with faith, grace and faithfulness in our pursuit of holiness*.

Into Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
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I think your post is in the wrong forum. Try the Apologetics forum.


My very valid point for "this" forum is "how" should we ably be "taught" to "discern" doctrines- of- men from doctrines- from- God, and especially in this pivotal hour when what we promote into the earth could be what we promote upon ourselves throughout the great seven years of tribulation that is coming upon the earth.

This is what scripture teaches throughout, and is why Paul was so adamant in all of his own efforts to keep religious Judaizers and others from "destroying" the flock of God, that he was continually striving to build up to become Jesus' spotless inheritances within our world.


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My very valid point for "this" forum is "how" should we ably be "taught" to "discern" doctrines- of- men from doctrines- from- God, and especially in this pivotal hour when what we promote into the earth could be what we promote upon ourselves throughout the great seven years of tribulation that is coming upon the earth.

This is what scripture teaches throughout, and is why Paul was so adamant in all of his own efforts to keep religious Judaizers and others from "destroying" the flock of God, that he was continually striving to build up to become Jesus' spotless inheritances within our world.


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You are going to have to be a lot more specific. What particular end times verse are you referring to?
 
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You are going to have to be a lot more specific. What particular end times verse are you referring to?

Hi all,

The greatest concern I used to have, and still do on some occasions, concerned:

Revelation 9:18 - - A third of mankind was killed . . .

Now some have upheld the doctrine of a massive rapture of everyone who call themselves "Christian", so "we" the elected need not be concerned anymore about this doctrine anymore, whether it was from Beelzebub given through men to cripple Jesus' efforts in the world, or whether it was from God as a foreordained judgement to purge the world of various nations who were apostate. At least this is what "I" once believed about these doctrines.

God Bless.

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You also need better reasons why there are 7 years like that coming.

Hi all,

The greatest concern I used to have, and still do on some occasions, concerned:

Revelation 9:18 - - A third of mankind was killed . . .

And the seven years are from the pre-trib doctrine I once advocated to others that is the most common within the American Evangelical Christian culture we have today.

God Bless.

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Hi all,

The greatest concern I used to have, and still do on some occasions, concerned:

Revelation 9:18 - - A third of mankind was killed . . .

Now some have upheld the doctrine of a massive rapture of everyone who call themselves "Christian", so "we" the elected need not be concerned anymore about this doctrine anymore, whether it was from Beelzebub given through men to cripple Jesus' efforts in the world, or whether it was from God as a foreordained judgement to purge the world of various nations who were apostate. At least this is what "I" once believed about these doctrines.

God Bless.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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Revelation 9:
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


So what's that got to do with the rapture? A third of mankind, living at the time, will be killed by that 200,000,000 strong army, as they march from the east to join the battles in Daniel 11:40-45.

Do you not think it is going to happen?
 
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And the seven years are from the pre-trib doctrine I once advocated to others that is the most common within the American Evangelical Christian culture we have today.
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I would suggest switching to the anytime rapture view, which is to be watching, anticipating, hopeful that between now and when the rapture actually takes place. It may happen pre-70th week or it may not.
 
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Revelation 9:
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


So what's that got to do with the rapture?

A third of mankind, living at the time, will be killed by that 200,000,000 strong army, as they march from the east to join the battles in Daniel 11:40-45.

Do you not think it is going to happen?


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Hi all,
and Hi DougGG,

DougGG, After we are raptured, thank God for his mercy and grace towards us, what do you think will exactly specifically occur to 1/3rd of mankind and in your view how many in our present generation might that be nowadays?

My own hope and prayer is that after "I" am raptured up to the bridal feast, that many leaders within their cultures will subsequently rise up to stand-in-the-gap for their cultures and for Jesus' Kingdom, and that all apocalyptic scripture will be literally fulfilled without it happening as I/we have been taught it must occur as exactly as it has been "predestined" to occur literally exactly as it is written and as many have taught us all it would.

In other words that 1 Corinthians 13:8 and 1 John 3:8b and James 2:13 would be able to occur "before" all apocalyptic judgement prophecies are literally fulfilled exactly as "we" have been taught they must- be fulfilled.

Marana tha, Amen.

My other posts this past year have all been continually about "voicing" out on these concepts, since understanding them better has set "me" free to strive to become more lovingly "holy" than I have ever been empowered to be in the past, especially since the final sifting is beginning and Jesus' Bride will obviously soon be "chosen".

I have felt for many months now that the following scriptures are rightly divided-discerned and empowering for all those whose hearts are not hardened by sin.

Isaiah 55:8-9 - - "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts."

1John 4:8 - - The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

2Chronicles 7:14 - - IF my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven.


My own view from my own testimony is that IF any souls are ever "confused" about the nature and character and efforts of our Shekhinah God in our behalf to eventually see the works of the Devil Beelzebub annihilated in our world, I always admonish them to pray for the James 3:17 types of wisdom from above and obey it and they will "see" and be "converted".

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My view is that when everyone of us Christians would all quit feeding "The Antichrist Beast" mentioned in "The Book of Revelation" that Beelzebub has set up within our world, it will crumple and fall to ashes.

I know that this is Jesus' hope for us all during this pivotal final hour.

Marana tha, Amen.

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My hope is to "see" Jesus glorified and the gates or hell and the works of Beelzebub annihilated during this pivotal hour. [1John 3:8b]

And if I am NOT raptured with others in my family, then I will
thank God for his mercy and grace towards us and I pray that after I was left behind I would become empowered by Christ- in- me to be "chosen" to tirelessly work to fulfill the scriptures in Matthew 19:30 & Luke 13:30 that say:-> behold, some are last who will be first.

God bless you and us all.

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You aren't going anywhere because the Pre-Trib Rapture is a Satanic lie.

Hi all again,
and Hi John_S,

As you can see from my post immediately preceding this one,
I have also vacillated between that view and other views throughout my many seekings and efforts and prayers.

Now I am a staunch pan-trib believer since it is the wisest for me to be this way and prepare for anything and everything since I know that our eternally loving God will be sovereign in how He will use the scriptures to glorify Himself to the uttermost. My biggest question at one time was concerning building/mentoring fallout shelters for others I loved that would likely remain after the Rapture had occurred. I am now waay beyond that "fatalistic" view since after further study and revelations from heaven I see that our awesome God has raised up much much more spiritual leaders than I had discerned years ago; And He continues to do this in our behalf, but many have never had the empathetic heart to discern and acknowledge the spiritual warfare that surrounds us "all", and so have failed to discern the obvious insights that I have.

So at present my view is that IF I am NOT raptured with others in my culture or families, then I will thank our awesome God for His mercy and grace towards us all, and I pray that after I was left behind I would become empowered by Christ in me to be "chosen" to tirelessly work to fulfill the scriptures in Matthew 19:30 & Luke 13:30 that say:-> behold, some are last who will be first.

God bless you and us all.

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Hi all,

The greatest concern I used to have, and still do on some occasions, concerned:

Revelation 9:18 - - A third of mankind was killed . . .

And the seven years are from the pre-trib doctrine I once advocated to others that is the most common within the American Evangelical Christian culture we have today.[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
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Hi all again,
and Hi Interplaner,

My further concern beyond the 1/3 of mankind concerned Exekiel 38&39, so that as I mentioned in my other posts on this thread, NOW I have become a Pan-Trib believer since I know that our eternally loving Creator - God will be sovereign in how He uses scripture to glorify+ Himself to the uttermost in this final pivotal hour before Jesus will rule and reign throughout the next millennium-age with grace and truth and mercy as all scripture foretells.

[+: John 15:8 - - Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.]

God Bless.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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Your family isn't going anywhere. The Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is a Satanic lie.

Hi all again,
and Hi again John_S,

IF you have read my own searchings in this thread, then you understand my own views on this subject, so let me ask you, have you also considered building a fallout shelter for whomever may be around to be able to use it IF it is ever necessary to ever be used? I ask because this is what the Swiss and Russians have done for their entire populations. Of course these two groups have not had "my" favorite leaders in times past either, since their leaders have in times past been "allowed" to inflict some atrocities on others - in my view.

Now I am a staunch pan-trib believer since it is the wisest for me to be this way and prepare for anything and everything since I know that our eternally loving God will be sovereign in how He will use the scriptures to glorify Himself to the uttermost. My biggest question at one time was concerning building/mentoring fallout shelters for others I loved that would likely remain after the Rapture had occurred. I am now waay beyond that "fatalistic" view since after further study and revelations from heaven I see that our awesome God has raised up much much more spiritual leaders than I had discerned years ago; And He continues to do this in our behalf, but many have never had the empathetic heart to discern and acknowledge the spiritual warfare that surrounds us "all", and so have failed to discern the obvious insights that I have.

So at present my view is that IF I am NOT raptured with others in my culture or families, then I will thank our awesome God for His mercy and grace towards us all, and I pray that after I was left behind I would become empowered by Christ in me to be "chosen" to tirelessly work to fulfill the scriptures in Matthew 19:30 & Luke 13:30 that say:-> behold, some are last who will be first.


Since I NOW have become a Pan-Trib believer since I know that our eternally loving Creator - God will be sovereign in how He uses scripture to glorify+ Himself to the uttermost in this final pivotal hour before Jesus will rule and reign throughout the next millennium-age with grace and truth and mercy as all scripture foretells.

[+: John 15:8 - - Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.]

God Bless.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
AJCServant
John 10 & 15 & 17 & Revelation 21
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Next millenium-age? That sounds like it is on earth. We await a complete change of creation as we know it. 2 Pet 3.


Hi all,
and Hi again Interplanner,

My view is all apocalyptic scriptures will be fulfilled when Jesus rules and reigns for a millennium of time alongside His raptured bride, and then a supernova blast front will hit the earth causing ALL the seas to "evaporate", and when we will all return again as Revelation 21 foretells, we then will fulfill 2Peter 3, which will likely be in concert with the literal fulfillment of Zechariah 14:10 in order to remodel Jerusalem's surrounding area that would make it more able to be efficiently and prudently built up again.

At least this is "my" present view, but I have been taught our omniscient and holy God will be sovereign in how He will "annihilate" the "works" of the devil and will subsequently recreate the entire earth and especially the area surrounding Jerusalem Israel.

Since I NOW have become a Pan-Trib believer after recognizing that our eternally loving Creator - God will be sovereign in how He uses scripture to glorify+ Himself to the uttermost in this final pivotal hour before Jesus will rule and reign throughout the next millennium-age with grace and truth and mercy as all scripture foretells.

[+: John 15:8 - - Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Thanks for all you posts, I pray a few of us are learning and growing as a result of your tireless efforts.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]God Bless.

In Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
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Where did people in 2014 get the idea that you just pick up the NT and it is all about 2014 instead of about its times? Yes, there are some distant future things to happen (distant to the NT) but that doesn't come first.

Hi all again
and Hi again Interplanner,

QUESTION: As you mentioned what have you perceived must come first that I/we are not discerning to see?

OR what has yet to be fulfilled that has not occurred already?

God Bless.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In Jesus' love - we should all put our trust eternally,
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