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Belief Systems: Are you the Tool or the Tool-user?

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Beliefs are tools. These tools are useful to gain understanding of things, which allows you to better interact with the world around you. However, these tools can also be misused - leading to complacency - where you cease growth in wisdom and knowledge and become not the user of the tool, but the tool who is being used by others for a means to an end.



Circular Belief Systems and Scapegoating

To utilize beliefs properly requires honesty with one's self and the right motive. A good way to check if you're being honest with your self is to examine your beliefs by asking yourself "Why you believe what you believe" and tracing it back to it's root origin. If you find that your beliefs lead to no particular origin, but are in fact circular in nature, you are not being honest with yourself. I'll give an example of a Circular belief system.

Ex: The tooth fairy is real because the tooth fairy told me so in a letter he wrote and left under my pillow.

As you can see, there are some issues which aren't addressed in this belief. 1.) How does the person in the example know that it was the tooth-fairy who wrote the letter? 2.) How do they know the said "tooth-fairy" can be trusted?
Ultimately the premise of the tooth fairy being real is never backed up, but rather a vague and immeasurable premise is given to justify belief.

So why does someone choose to believe in a made-up fantasy over truth? It's because they don't know how to deal with truth. When dealing with problems we have two options. We can solve the problem or ignore it and hope it goes away. Circular Belief systems follow the latter and ignore the problem. They're there to cover for the fact that the person has not solved the problem yet.

Often times the person knows the solution to the problem, but may not like the outcome. They'll create an entity to pass the problem onto. This is known as scapegoating. I'll give an example.

Ex. Jimmy is a little boy who has a habit of blaming his wrongdoings on his imaginary friend Ralph. One day Jimmy takes a ring from his mom's jewelry box without her permission. Later on his mom finds out about it and confronts little Jimmy. "Jimmy", she says, "Why did you take my ring without my permission?" Jimmy replies, "I didn't do it, Ralph did!"

Here, Jimmy uses a scapegoat (his imaginary friend) to avoid discipline as opposed to telling the truth. His habit was built off the fact that he wanted to avoid an undesirable outcome. Whether the perceived outcome he had in his mind happens or not is irrelevant. It could have been many things like, "my mom will think less of me" or "she might spank me/punish me". Whatever the reason, it was counted as undesirable and therefore a scapegoat (the imaginary friend Ralph) was invented.



The Dangers of Misusing Beliefs and Moral Relativism

As with most tools, there are right ways and wrong ways to use them. Using a tool outside of it's purpose can result in injury to one's self and others. In the example I gave of little Jimmy and his imaginary friend, Jimmy causes harm to himself - by lying to his mom - and to his mom. He may not know it yet, but in lying he has lost credibility or trust. This problem could grow indefinitely, depending on whether or not this behavior continues throughout his life.

If you choose to misuse beliefs for extended periods of time you end up inflicting blindness on yourself. You might as well have gouged out your own eyes (figuratively speaking). You start to lose touch with reality the more you misuse beliefs, becoming desensitized to the world around you. Sometimes it could take years for you to get a grasp back on reality, other times you remain blind until your death. The belief system that represents this blindness is none other than Moral relativism, where everything, including the most taboo of the taboo (Ex. Rape, baby-killing, serial murder), become "OK". Truth no longer exists for such a person, hence they are blind to it.


Using Beliefs Positively

To use beliefs properly you must be honest with yourself and have a good and strong motive. Just as the builder of a house needs a strong foundation for the house to last, you need honesty with self and the right motive for your sanity, life, and accomplishments to have meaning. I think the parable of the wise and foolish builders attest to this sentiment quite well.

A wise man is one who builds his life on the pursuit of truth. When your life's work is built on truth, nothing shakes you, nothing stops you, you become a hero. When your life is not based on truth, everything shakes you, because you know that you're dishonest with yourself and that it could catch up to you eventually and stab you in the back. It is this fear that causes many to let go of reality; to wish concepts like truth away.

The pursuit of the truth comes at the cost of beliefs, perpetually. The pursuit of beliefs come at the cost of the truth, eventually.

Now ask yourself: "Am I the Tool or the Tool-user?"
 
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I agree that it's worthwhile asking oneself why one REALLY believes in X. The reasons that you normally give for belief may not be the foundational reason you believe. That doesn't mean the normal reasons given are wrong, but it probably helps to know your belief motivation, to make sure you aren't being biased.

I'm not sure how moral relativism is an example of the blindness you are talking about. I don't accept moral relativism though, by the way.
 
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Beliefs are tools. These tools are useful to gain understanding of things, which allows you to better interact with the world around you. However, these tools can also be misused - leading to complacency - where you cease growth in wisdom and knowledge and become not the user of the tool, but the tool who is being used by others for a means to an end.



Circular Belief Systems and Scapegoating

To utilize beliefs properly requires honesty with one's self and the right motive. A good way to check if you're being honest with your self is to examine your beliefs by asking yourself "Why you believe what you believe" and tracing it back to it's root origin. If you find that your beliefs lead to no particular origin, but are in fact circular in nature, you are not being honest with yourself. I'll give an example of a Circular belief system.

Ex: The tooth fairy is real because the tooth fairy told me so in a letter he wrote and left under my pillow.

As you can see, there are some issues which aren't addressed in this belief. 1.) How does the person in the example know that it was the tooth-fairy who wrote the letter? 2.) How do they know the said "tooth-fairy" can be trusted?
Ultimately the premise of the tooth fairy being real is never backed up, but rather a vague and immeasurable premise is given to justify belief.

So why does someone choose to believe in a made-up fantasy over truth? It's because they don't know how to deal with truth. When dealing with problems we have two options. We can solve the problem or ignore it and hope it goes away. Circular Belief systems follow the latter and ignore the problem. They're there to cover for the fact that the person has not solved the problem yet.

Often times the person knows the solution to the problem, but may not like the outcome. They'll create an entity to pass the problem onto. This is known as scapegoating. I'll give an example.

Ex. Jimmy is a little boy who has a habit of blaming his wrongdoings on his imaginary friend Ralph. One day Jimmy takes a ring from his mom's jewelry box without her permission. Later on his mom finds out about it and confronts little Jimmy. "Jimmy", she says, "Why did you take my ring without my permission?" Jimmy replies, "I didn't do it, Ralph did!"

Here, Jimmy uses a scapegoat (his imaginary friend) to avoid discipline as opposed to telling the truth. His habit was built off the fact that he wanted to avoid an undesirable outcome. Whether the perceived outcome he had in his mind happens or not is irrelevant. It could have been many things like, "my mom will think less of me" or "she might spank me/punish me". Whatever the reason, it was counted as undesirable and therefore a scapegoat (the imaginary friend Ralph) was invented.



The Dangers of Misusing Beliefs and Moral Relativism

As with most tools, there are right ways and wrong ways to use them. Using a tool outside of it's purpose can result in injury to one's self and others. In the example I gave of little Jimmy and his imaginary friend, Jimmy causes harm to himself - by lying to his mom - and to his mom. He may not know it yet, but in lying he has lost credibility or trust. This problem could grow indefinitely, depending on whether or not this behavior continues throughout his life.

If you choose to misuse beliefs for extended periods of time you end up inflicting blindness on yourself. You might as well have gouged out your own eyes (figuratively speaking). You start to lose touch with reality the more you misuse beliefs, becoming desensitized to the world around you. Sometimes it could take years for you to get a grasp back on reality, other times you remain blind until your death. The belief system that represents this blindness is none other than Moral relativism, where everything, including the most taboo of the taboo (Ex. Rape, baby-killing, serial murder), become "OK". Truth no longer exists for such a person, hence they are blind to it.


Using Beliefs Positively

To use beliefs properly you must be honest with yourself and have a good and strong motive. Just as the builder of a house needs a strong foundation for the house to last, you need honesty with self and the right motive for your sanity, life, and accomplishments to have meaning. I think the parable of the wise and foolish builders attest to this sentiment quite well.

A wise man is one who builds his life on the pursuit of truth. When your life's work is built on truth, nothing shakes you, nothing stops you, you become a hero. When your life is not based on truth, everything shakes you, because you know that you're dishonest with yourself and that it could catch up to you eventually and stab you in the back. It is this fear that causes many to let go of reality; to wish concepts like truth away.

The pursuit of the truth comes at the cost of beliefs, perpetually. The pursuit of beliefs come at the cost of the truth, eventually.

Now ask yourself: "Am I the Tool or the Tool-user?"

I agree that we should seek after truth, if we can find it. However, I think one of the main problems of mankind isn't moral relativism, but rather perceptual relativism. There just isn't a universal, consensual "starting point" on how the world should be evaluated.
 
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I agree that it's worthwhile asking oneself why one REALLY believes in X. The reasons that you normally give for belief may not be the foundational reason you believe. That doesn't mean the normal reasons given are wrong, but it probably helps to know your belief motivation, to make sure you aren't being biased.

Knowing your motivation is of monumental importance. From it you determine your intent, from which flow your actions and words.

Being biased is fine, so long as it doesn't infringe upon your pursuit of truth.

Ex. of harmless bias: I prefer cheesecake over strawberry cake.

Ex. of dangerous bias: All Men/Women are evil.


I'm not sure how moral relativism is an example of the blindness you are talking about. I don't accept moral relativism though, by the way.

Moral Relativism is an example of the blindness I speak of because it is an excuse to not get to the truth. Rather than addressing the problem at hand - Whether an action is moral, immoral or grey in the given context - it ignores it altogether (i.e. turning a blind eye).

I agree that we should seek after truth, if we can find it.

Focus on pursuing truth. It can be found.

However, I think one of the main problems of mankind isn't moral relativism, but rather perceptual relativism.

I had intended to include Perceptual Relativism in the post I made but didn't. So i'm glad you brought it up.

Moral relativism and perceptual relativism are of equally destructive capability in that they both stem from the same source; namely turning a blind eye to problems at hand.

There just isn't a universal, consensual "starting point" on how the world should be evaluated.
Evaluated for what purpose?
 
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Knowing your motivation is of monumental importance. From it you determine your intent, from which flow your actions and words.

Being biased is fine, so long as it doesn't infringe upon your pursuit of truth.

Ex. of harmless bias: I prefer cheesecake over strawberry cake.

Ex. of dangerous bias: All Men/Women are evil.

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Moral Relativism is an example of the blindness I speak of because it is an excuse to not get to the truth. Rather than addressing the problem at hand - Whether an action is moral, immoral or grey in the given context - it ignores it altogether (i.e. turning a blind eye).

Well they might think there's no morality to figure out the truth to (moral nihilism).
 
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Well they might think there's no morality to figure out the truth to (moral nihilism).

Indeed they might think that. Morality changes from person to person, their own idea of morality is formed from genetics and experience. Nihilism is for those that have given up on life. With that outlook it is natural for them to not partake in life's concerns. Apart from them are those that exploit nihilism to justify selfish actions.

Everybody is special.
This statement is very vague. Special in what context?

That answer's your question. We are all, all.
That's quite a vague answer. So vague i'm not sure what question it's answering. Please expound.
 
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Beliefs are tools. These tools are useful to gain understanding of things, which allows you to better interact with the world around you. However, these tools can also be misused - leading to complacency - where you cease growth in wisdom and knowledge and become not the user of the tool, but the tool who is being used by others for a means to an end.



Circular Belief Systems and Scapegoating

To utilize beliefs properly requires honesty with one's self and the right motive. A good way to check if you're being honest with your self is to examine your beliefs by asking yourself "Why you believe what you believe" and tracing it back to it's root origin. If you find that your beliefs lead to no particular origin, but are in fact circular in nature, you are not being honest with yourself. I'll give an example of a Circular belief system.

Ex: The tooth fairy is real because the tooth fairy told me so in a letter he wrote and left under my pillow.

As you can see, there are some issues which aren't addressed in this belief. 1.) How does the person in the example know that it was the tooth-fairy who wrote the letter? 2.) How do they know the said "tooth-fairy" can be trusted?
Ultimately the premise of the tooth fairy being real is never backed up, but rather a vague and immeasurable premise is given to justify belief.

So why does someone choose to believe in a made-up fantasy over truth? It's because they don't know how to deal with truth. When dealing with problems we have two options. We can solve the problem or ignore it and hope it goes away. Circular Belief systems follow the latter and ignore the problem. They're there to cover for the fact that the person has not solved the problem yet.

Often times the person knows the solution to the problem, but may not like the outcome. They'll create an entity to pass the problem onto. This is known as scapegoating. I'll give an example.

Ex. Jimmy is a little boy who has a habit of blaming his wrongdoings on his imaginary friend Ralph. One day Jimmy takes a ring from his mom's jewelry box without her permission. Later on his mom finds out about it and confronts little Jimmy. "Jimmy", she says, "Why did you take my ring without my permission?" Jimmy replies, "I didn't do it, Ralph did!"

Here, Jimmy uses a scapegoat (his imaginary friend) to avoid discipline as opposed to telling the truth. His habit was built off the fact that he wanted to avoid an undesirable outcome. Whether the perceived outcome he had in his mind happens or not is irrelevant. It could have been many things like, "my mom will think less of me" or "she might spank me/punish me". Whatever the reason, it was counted as undesirable and therefore a scapegoat (the imaginary friend Ralph) was invented.



The Dangers of Misusing Beliefs and Moral Relativism

As with most tools, there are right ways and wrong ways to use them. Using a tool outside of it's purpose can result in injury to one's self and others. In the example I gave of little Jimmy and his imaginary friend, Jimmy causes harm to himself - by lying to his mom - and to his mom. He may not know it yet, but in lying he has lost credibility or trust. This problem could grow indefinitely, depending on whether or not this behavior continues throughout his life.

If you choose to misuse beliefs for extended periods of time you end up inflicting blindness on yourself. You might as well have gouged out your own eyes (figuratively speaking). You start to lose touch with reality the more you misuse beliefs, becoming desensitized to the world around you. Sometimes it could take years for you to get a grasp back on reality, other times you remain blind until your death. The belief system that represents this blindness is none other than Moral relativism, where everything, including the most taboo of the taboo (Ex. Rape, baby-killing, serial murder), become "OK". Truth no longer exists for such a person, hence they are blind to it.


Using Beliefs Positively

To use beliefs properly you must be honest with yourself and have a good and strong motive. Just as the builder of a house needs a strong foundation for the house to last, you need honesty with self and the right motive for your sanity, life, and accomplishments to have meaning. I think the parable of the wise and foolish builders attest to this sentiment quite well.

A wise man is one who builds his life on the pursuit of truth. When your life's work is built on truth, nothing shakes you, nothing stops you, you become a hero. When your life is not based on truth, everything shakes you, because you know that you're dishonest with yourself and that it could catch up to you eventually and stab you in the back. It is this fear that causes many to let go of reality; to wish concepts like truth away.

The pursuit of the truth comes at the cost of beliefs, perpetually. The pursuit of beliefs come at the cost of the truth, eventually.

Now ask yourself: "Am I the Tool or the Tool-user?"

I don't know. I suppose I am a mixture of both. I try to live by what I believe. I try to use those beliefs in my life to grow as a human being and to help others. Carl Rogers said that people seek unconditional positive regard from one another, and that our highest goals with one another is to provide unconditional acceptance where the person is at. Because I am a Christian, I know that there are a lot of labels attached to my beliefs, so I try to Christ's teachings as much as possible. I think even if you don't believe in Christ, his teachings are pretty awesome.

Love one another and accept your brother as yourself.
 
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Ruthie,

On another thread, you made a statement that non-believers were being led by the devil. Would you call this loving one another? It would appear to me, to be more like judging someone who disagrees with you and placing a negative label on their motivation.

Please quote exactly what I said because I don't ever recall saying that. Since I've been I interacting with you, you normally seem to read into what I say or not read it at all, just attack. You seem to have a cut and run type of response pattern and frankly you have been doing the exact thing you are accusing me of.
 
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Please quote exactly what I said because I don't ever recall saying that. Since I've been I interacting with you, you normally seem to read into what I say or not read it at all, just attack. You seem to have a cut and run type of response pattern and frankly you have been doing the exact thing you are accusing me of.

I don't cut and run, I am here aren't I.

In regards to my statement, I believe I confused you with another poster in which I found their statement and it was my mistake.
 
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I don't know. I suppose I am a mixture of both. I try to live by what I believe. I try to use those beliefs in my life to grow as a human being and to help others. Carl Rogers said that people seek unconditional positive regard from one another, and that our highest goals with one another is to provide unconditional acceptance where the person is at. Because I am a Christian, I know that there are a lot of labels attached to my beliefs, so I try to Christ's teachings as much as possible.
Don't settle for not knowing where you stand. Unresolved issues left unresolved for too long can lead to greater issues down the road.

I tend to agree with Carl Rogers' 19 propositions, though they're vague and overly generalized, so it's hard to say what is actually being meant by them.

Unconditional Positive Regard is not so much a goal as it is a means to an end; the end not being an end in itself. The goal is to uncap and explore mankind's potential without interference.

A Quote from Rogers: "This process of the good life is not, I am convinced, a life for the faint-hearted. It involves the stretching and growing of becoming more and more of one's potentialities. It involves the courage to be. It means launching oneself fully into the stream of life."

EDIT: After doing follow-up research on Carl Rogers I came across his involvement with The Human Ecology Fund which, during the 1960's, "the CIA used the Human Ecology Fund to push a covert research agenda into torture and interrogation techniques." - Source Here

According to an article found Here, Carl Rogers had no objections to the CIA's use of his research, "he had no objection to helping the CIA". In other words, he was OK with his research being used by the government for the inhumane treatment of other human beings via interrogation and torture. Further reading paints Rogers as being a sellout in that he did it for grant money to fund his research. Does that sound like something a moral person who desired to help people out would do? This casts a bad shadow over his methods. Tbh, I had an uneasy feeling when reading his theories, particularly Unconditional Positive Regard. After reading through these articles I can see why. According to Unconditional Positive Regard you accept a person "regardless of what the person says or does." - Source
In doing so you promote bad behavior as well as good. Bad behavior should not be tolerated. It should be pointed out for what it is, bad and detrimental to yourself and society. This type of method only adds to the cancer that it claims to be trying to get rid of.

In summation, UPR is built on a faulty foundation. His theories are a mixed bag of needlessly complicated half-truths and truths. The "growth" and "development" he speaks of are limited by his own methods. He teaches tolerance in all situations, even where intolerance should be given. He claims to be against mind control, yet he supported the CIA in research for interrogation and torture, of which mind control falls under AND oversaw tests where individuals were placed under truth serum (mind control drug) prototypes. Were he true to his claims he would never have associated with such things to begin with.

I think even if you don't believe in Christ, his teachings are pretty awesome.

Love one another and accept your brother as yourself.
I agree that Christ's teachings are awesome as well, with all the excess trimmed off. Interestingly enough, he never wrote anything as far as we know. What little knowledge we have of him is through religious texts written by the hands of others which have gone through numerous revisions throughout history.
That's what you believe?
It is.
 
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