It says do not judge not do not honor.
I'm still waiting for some biblical support for honoring Sunday because Jesus was resurrected on that day. Just one verse would be nice.
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It says do not judge not do not honor.
I'm still waiting for some biblical support for honoring Sunday because Jesus was resurrected on that day. Just one verse would be nice.
You argument is ignorant and silly. I have said a number of times that Christians are not required to keep Sunday. It is a custom that Christians developed from Resurrection day. There is neither a Biblical requirement for Christians to keep Sunday OR Saturday.
Christians can keep any day they like. Sunday only has significance because of the Resurrection and Pentecost Day. Christians are not under any requirement to honor ANY day.
Only Ebionite Cultists like yourself are required to worship a day.
Christians can keep any day they like. Sunday only has significance because of the Resurrection and Pentecost Day. Christians are not under any requirement to honor ANY day.
Only Ebionite Cultists like yourself are required to worship a day.
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Why don't you not understand we don't honor Sunday. We honor and celebrate the Risen Lord Jesus the Christ.
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Oh yes you do, you just don't want to admit it. If I work on Sunday I even get time and a half because it's Sunday. Contractors are forbidden to work on Sunday along with car salesmen and package stores just to name a few. I wonder why?
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Repeating this doesn't make it true. It wasn't true the first time, either.
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No I don't because it isn't part of the New Covenant which is not like the one issued at Sinai (Jer 31:31-33) identified as the Ten Commandment by Moses in Deut 4:13.
What Christian or group of Christians apply the rules/regulations of the Sabbath to Sunday? No one that I know except SDA and the RCC by false claims.
No!
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Please explain how this is done. That has nothing to do with us or the Church directly. That is civil law.
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You say you celebrate Sunday because Jesus rose on Sunday. Thus you are making Sunday special whether you know or believe it or not. And in the process of remembering Sunday you are forgetting the seventh day as a special day.
Still, no biblical support for Sunday because it comes through the Beast and its image, not the Bible.
"Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday." Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.
And what did Jesus say about making void a commandment of God for man made traditions? He said your worship was worthless. Hmmm! Very interesting. [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Now who is the real cult here?
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Question - Which is the Sabbath day?[/FONT]
Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.
Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord's Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ. Council of Laodicea (circa 364 AD)
"The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., History of the Sabbath, p. 802
"Sunday is our mark of authority...The church is above the Bible, and this transference of sabbath observance is proof of that fact." The Catholic Record, London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
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How many times does it take for you to understand me to say I don't worship or keep Sunday holy? BTW I could care less what the RCC says. I'm not RCC nor subject to them. The Council of Laodicea changed nothing. They merely affirmed current practice.
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Do your research. I have spent many, many long hours hand feeding you with no growth is sight. It's about time you do your own research. I'll be here for you when you get back.
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Jesus DID NOT rise from the grave on Saturday!!!! That is Sabbatarian and SDA BS doctrine and goes against the very bible they claim to believe.
Even if Jesus did rise when the sun went down Saturday night, that is still the 1st day of the week and the bible backs this too.
Even 1st century Christian fathers believe that too and they were alive much closer to Jesus time than we ever will be.
Even if Jesus did rise when the sun went down Saturday night, that is still the 1st day of the week and the bible backs this too.
Even 1st century Christian fathers believe that too and they were alive much closer to Jesus time than we ever will be.
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If you noticed I don't eat everything. What you're really saying is its about time I took your position. Problem is I've read all the Bible which you dutifully refuse to accept.
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The Sabbath belongs to "mankind" Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship" and was "MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27 -
And of course the Jews were part of "mankind" even in the OT as it turns out. This seems to surprise some people - apparently
Heb 8 says that the same Jer 31:31-33 "LAW of GOD" is "written on the heart and mind" even in the NT -- under the New Covenant. So then the lost remain at war with the Law of God (as Paul reminds us in Rom 8:6-8) but the saints are in harmony with it.
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
But not all are shocked by this Bible truth. The following Sunday-promoting sources freely admit to it.
I don't need to "twist Is 66:23" into "truth" -- same goes for 1Cor 7:19.
All I do is state the obvious - the truth speaks for itself as even the following pro-SUNDAY sources will admit regarding this inconvenient Bible detail.
And of course the Jews were part of "mankind" even in the OT as it turns out. This seems to surprise some people - apparently
Heb 8 says that the same Jer 31:31-33 "LAW of GOD" is "written on the heart and mind" even in the NT -- under the New Covenant. So then the lost remain at war with the Law of God (as Paul reminds us in Rom 8:6-8) but the saints are in harmony with it.
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
But not all are shocked by this Bible truth. The following Sunday-promoting sources freely admit to it.
I don't need to "twist Is 66:23" into "truth" -- same goes for 1Cor 7:19.
All I do is state the obvious - the truth speaks for itself as even the following pro-SUNDAY sources will admit regarding this inconvenient Bible detail.
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making stuff up will not help your POV - you need some actual facts, details, or something like a Bible argument in favor of your view.
How glad we all can be that even the following pro-SUNDAY sources admit that the TEN Commandments (yes all TEN) are still binding on the saints today.
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There is only one common theme that runs through every single important SDA doctrine, either overtly or subtly: Denigrating and Degrading the effect of the Resurrection, or denying the Divinity of Christ.
Unless you understand that, they will stitch together an impressive and mind-numbing stew of half-verses and unrelated and out of context verses to baffle the unwary, illiterate and non-Biblically savvy. It is an extremely devious and deceptive non-Christian cult. I wasted my first 22 years in it, so I know of what I speak. If you understand how their corrupt and un-Biblical system works, you need not debate then on their specific stitched-together rambling collection of half verses and verses taken out of context, because they all are held together with the common "glue" of denying or denigrating the divinity of Christ, or the effect of the Cross, or the effect of the Resurrection. Or all three.
First and foremost, the SDA Church would not exist were it not for their multiple false predictions of Christ's return between 1843 and 1850. They devised an amazing stitched-together and botched misinterpretation of Daniel 8:14 to repeatedly falsely predict the return of Christ. Throughout the cult's lifetime, there have been a truly-jaw dropping massive number of their own theologians who have denounced the 1844 scandal and its mutant bastard child: The Sanctuary Doctrine or the "Investigative Judgment(IJ)" Many of their own top theologians have declared the entire debacle unscriptural and unbiblical. Sadly, the cult's General Conference always fires their dedicated theologians and pastors for being honest about this clearly non-Biblical doctrine. Raymond Cottrell, their most distinguished theologian, waited until his retirement to denounce this Satanic and unbiblical doctrine.
Misusing Daniel 8:14 like that denigrates Christ, how? By making his return the subject of human prediction, by binding him time wise into your erroneous scripture-sculpting and stitching fetish. Like the Bible is some sort of esoteric code that only a few insiders can crack, rather than the extremely simple and plainly-obvious story of Gospel salvation that was given to the entire world at the Cross.
The IJ was strictly a face-saving fraud, devised out of thin air to compensate for the colossal disaster of 1844. The cult now posits Jesus entered the Holy of Holy places in Heaven in that year, to commence review of our conduct to see if we have earned our salvation with good works (in particular, Sabbath keeping). This necessitates an incomplete and unfinished work on the Cross, and a severe denigration of the effect of the Resurrection. This is the REAL reason that Adventist do not worship on Resurrection Day (Sunday and Easter) and insist on their Salvation by works-based Sabbath instead. They want to cow their terrified and panicked members into huddling together in paranoid fantasy, and relieving them of their money most importantly. They instill a paranoid and panicked fear of Roman Catholicism, who they falsely claim "changed Saturday to Sunday," and that one day the Catholics will hunt them down and murder them for keeping the Sabbath. That is a fairy tale that is pure, unvarnished paranoid conspiracy theory. Hence, their Sabbath keeping is really based on virulent Anti-Papacy paranoia coupled with an Un-Biblical fetish of Salvation by Works. Again, this entirely non-Biblical doctrine of Sabbath Keeping was absolutely proven false by their own theology professor, Dr. Samuele Bachiochi.
The IJ itself led logically to many satanic cult doctrines like Sabbath Keeping, Works based Salvation, following the Levitical dietary laws, and various forms of non-Christian and heretical views on the Trinity. In fact, for the first 100 years, the cult revived the ancient Arian Heresy and outright denied the Divinity of Christ. Due to the outcry from orthodox Christendom, they watered down their Arianism, and now deceptively teach a modified Aryanism known as Thritheism (while deceptively claiming they believe in the Trinity). It still is not the Trinity that has provided Salvation "once and for all" and that is THE CENTRAL doctrine of Christianity. The Adventist anti-Trinitarian heresy eventually spawned such overtly and odious Satantic cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, Worldwide Church of God and the Branch Davidians. Adventism is much more deceptive and thereby much more successful than those three satanic cults in that the genius of Adventism is to disguise mutant and unbiblical cult doctrines with a thin veneer of superficially Christian-sounding doctrines that disguise its true core. They even managed to sucker cult expert Walter Martin into believing that they were Orthodox Christianity, even though at the end of his life, Martin was ready to write a new book denouncing them as a non-Christian cult once he realized that he had been "Had."
So when they focus obsessively on the Sabbath (which in actual practice, is MUCH more important to them than the Cross or the Resurrection) beware of their perspective. Disregard their ludicrous scripture-sculpting and scripture stitching, and go right for the jugular: Their odious and anti-Christian history of teaching heretical cult doctrines that deny or denigrate the Divinity of Christ and his role in the unified Godhead of the Trinity, his finished work on the Cross and his Resurrection.
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Unless you understand that, they will stitch together an impressive and mind-numbing stew of half-verses and unrelated and out of context verses to baffle the unwary, illiterate and non-Biblically savvy. It is an extremely devious and deceptive non-Christian cult. I wasted my first 22 years in it, so I know of what I speak. If you understand how their corrupt and un-Biblical system works, you need not debate then on their specific stitched-together rambling collection of half verses and verses taken out of context, because they all are held together with the common "glue" of denying or denigrating the divinity of Christ, or the effect of the Cross, or the effect of the Resurrection. Or all three.
First and foremost, the SDA Church would not exist were it not for their multiple false predictions of Christ's return between 1843 and 1850. They devised an amazing stitched-together and botched misinterpretation of Daniel 8:14 to repeatedly falsely predict the return of Christ. Throughout the cult's lifetime, there have been a truly-jaw dropping massive number of their own theologians who have denounced the 1844 scandal and its mutant bastard child: The Sanctuary Doctrine or the "Investigative Judgment(IJ)" Many of their own top theologians have declared the entire debacle unscriptural and unbiblical. Sadly, the cult's General Conference always fires their dedicated theologians and pastors for being honest about this clearly non-Biblical doctrine. Raymond Cottrell, their most distinguished theologian, waited until his retirement to denounce this Satanic and unbiblical doctrine.
Misusing Daniel 8:14 like that denigrates Christ, how? By making his return the subject of human prediction, by binding him time wise into your erroneous scripture-sculpting and stitching fetish. Like the Bible is some sort of esoteric code that only a few insiders can crack, rather than the extremely simple and plainly-obvious story of Gospel salvation that was given to the entire world at the Cross.
The IJ was strictly a face-saving fraud, devised out of thin air to compensate for the colossal disaster of 1844. The cult now posits Jesus entered the Holy of Holy places in Heaven in that year, to commence review of our conduct to see if we have earned our salvation with good works (in particular, Sabbath keeping). This necessitates an incomplete and unfinished work on the Cross, and a severe denigration of the effect of the Resurrection. This is the REAL reason that Adventist do not worship on Resurrection Day (Sunday and Easter) and insist on their Salvation by works-based Sabbath instead. They want to cow their terrified and panicked members into huddling together in paranoid fantasy, and relieving them of their money most importantly. They instill a paranoid and panicked fear of Roman Catholicism, who they falsely claim "changed Saturday to Sunday," and that one day the Catholics will hunt them down and murder them for keeping the Sabbath. That is a fairy tale that is pure, unvarnished paranoid conspiracy theory. Hence, their Sabbath keeping is really based on virulent Anti-Papacy paranoia coupled with an Un-Biblical fetish of Salvation by Works. Again, this entirely non-Biblical doctrine of Sabbath Keeping was absolutely proven false by their own theology professor, Dr. Samuele Bachiochi.
The IJ itself led logically to many satanic cult doctrines like Sabbath Keeping, Works based Salvation, following the Levitical dietary laws, and various forms of non-Christian and heretical views on the Trinity. In fact, for the first 100 years, the cult revived the ancient Arian Heresy and outright denied the Divinity of Christ. Due to the outcry from orthodox Christendom, they watered down their Arianism, and now deceptively teach a modified Aryanism known as Thritheism (while deceptively claiming they believe in the Trinity). It still is not the Trinity that has provided Salvation "once and for all" and that is THE CENTRAL doctrine of Christianity. The Adventist anti-Trinitarian heresy eventually spawned such overtly and odious Satantic cults such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, Worldwide Church of God and the Branch Davidians. Adventism is much more deceptive and thereby much more successful than those three satanic cults in that the genius of Adventism is to disguise mutant and unbiblical cult doctrines with a thin veneer of superficially Christian-sounding doctrines that disguise its true core. They even managed to sucker cult expert Walter Martin into believing that they were Orthodox Christianity, even though at the end of his life, Martin was ready to write a new book denouncing them as a non-Christian cult once he realized that he had been "Had."
So when they focus obsessively on the Sabbath (which in actual practice, is MUCH more important to them than the Cross or the Resurrection) beware of their perspective. Disregard their ludicrous scripture-sculpting and scripture stitching, and go right for the jugular: Their odious and anti-Christian history of teaching heretical cult doctrines that deny or denigrate the Divinity of Christ and his role in the unified Godhead of the Trinity, his finished work on the Cross and his Resurrection.
Last edited by LarryP2; 20th March 2014 at 02:01 PM.
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