A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[Loudmouth]

You don't know where that "something" came from. Yet, you know there is no God? How do you know?

I know that there is no evidence for any deities. Do you have any such evidence? I require evidence before I accept a claim. What is wrong with that?

Also, your "God of the Gaps" argument is as old as the hills, and completely worthless. If you want to argue that God is best found in our ignorance, then I will happily agree with you.

No one has ever seen God.
The One and Only Son—the One who is at the Father’s side..
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known.

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Man can not see God.

Nor, can we see radio waves.

Its a radio that makes them known.

Radio waves are real.

God gave us His radio.

Still waiting for a shred of evidence to support your claims. Where is it?

 

[bhsmte]

Why then, do so many find Him?

You think He will save just anybody? Anyone who makes demands of Him to make Himself known?

Luke 23:7-9

When he learned that Jesus was under Herod’s jurisdiction,
he sent him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time.
When Herod saw Jesus, he was greatly pleased, because for
a long time he had been wanting to see him. From what he
had heard about him, he hoped to see him perform a sign of
some sort. He plied him with many questions, but Jesus
gave him no answer.


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Its all about attitude. The proud do not hear his voice.

Why do so many think they have found him? Because they need to.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why then, do so many find Him?

You think He will save just anybody? Anyone who makes demands of Him to make Himself known?

Luke 23:7-9

When he learned that Jesus was under Herod’s jurisdiction,
he sent him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time.
When Herod saw Jesus, he was greatly pleased, because for
a long time he had been wanting to see him. From what he
had heard about him, he hoped to see him perform a sign of
some sort. He plied him with many questions, but Jesus
gave him no answer.


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Its all about attitude. The proud do not hear his voice.

The proud can not admit that their beliefs are based on bare assertions and no evidence.

 

[HitchSlap]

The proud do not hear his voice.

You hear voices, do you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

After all... If God has his way with rejecting souls. Its the soul that will be tormented in the Lake of Fire. Not a physical body. The soul is what God created in his image. Not the body. The soul invisible like God. God created it to have self consciousness and to have the ability to reason and have volition.

Interesting.. I only once met someone who thought we have no soul. That we are simply our body. I must say... He was a real clod and very stubborn. People around him who heard him say that felt disdain and pity for his lack of life. I wonder if all that think we have no soul are the same way. Only met one so far.

What about people who have that condition where they can't feel pain? Seriously, look it up, these people have accidentally scratched their corneas as babies without even crying (an injury that would bring the strongest of men to their knees).

 

[GenemZ]

What about people who have that condition where they can't feel pain? Seriously, look it up, these people have accidentally scratched their corneas as babies without even crying (an injury that would bring the strongest of men to their knees).

What about them? How would that relate to anything I was saying?

 

[PsychoSarah]

What about them? How would that relate to anything I was saying?

What if there was a person with that disease who went to hell? Pain isn't scary when it isn't a part of your reality.

 

[GenemZ]

You hear voices, do you?

John 10:27

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.


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John 10:16

I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also,
and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.



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Its a spiritual .. not audible... hearing. Its not hearing voices in the head, as you probably thinking is the case. Its hearing the Gospel, not only listening to the Gospel. I do not expect you to understand. Instead, I am expecting for you to impose some negative meaning to what I just said.

 

[GenemZ]

What if there was a person with that disease who went to hell? Pain isn't scary when it isn't a part of your reality.

First of all. People are not in Heaven because they feared eternal torments. That would be a cheap salvation and an insult to God. They are in Heaven solely because they believed in God's Son.

Hell is taught about to let believers know what is to become of those who wish to follow the pattern of Satan's thinking towards the Lord. For, the Lake of Fire was not created for man, but for Satan and his angels. Anyone who wishes to follow their way of thinking will find themselves getting in line and joining them.

Second... The torments in the Lake of Fire will be pain for the soul. Their flesh will be destroyed as they are placed in the fire. Mere mortal flesh can not survive the flames. That will be the second death. Death is the soul losing its body. They will be resurrected in their old bodies to stand before the Lord. Then, judged... and sent to die a second time.

Revelation 21:8
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But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers,
the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the
idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery
lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


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In reference to the cowardly -

It speaks of those who have lost touch with reality'.. deilos - it does have a meaning of cowardly, but also has a meaning of losing touch with reality - and is not referring to physical courage here. People who choose to live in a fantasy world about themselves and others.

Of course... the atheist will say, to believe in Jesus Christ is to be out of touch with reality. Understood.

 

[GenemZ]

The proud can not admit that their beliefs are based on bare assertions and no evidence.

Like Intelligent Design has no evidence?

None what so ever?

 

[GenemZ]

Everybody must have missed this one?

Complete Life Cycle of the Monarch Butterfly - YouTube​

Any guesses?

How long did it take for the caterpillar to go from his leaf eating stage to finally evolve and enter into the cocoon stage? Why did he not die while in the cacoon stage, but emerged as a butterfly? Would not that require a drastic and rapid transformation after entering the cocoon stage, and not take millions of years to come about?

Some honest, thoughtful answers, please.

 

[GenemZ]

I think you need to take the blinders off. Atheism has nothing to do with communism. Atheists are not nihilists. Seriously, actually learn what people think instead of thinking the worse of them.

Russian Communism. Chinese Communism.

Which one was not atheistic in its foundation? Which one.

 

[GenemZ]

Now you are inventing excuses out of thin air.

And, your theory invents thin air... 'out from nothing.'

 

[GenemZ]

Truth is not determined by a majority belief.

Noah and his family only counted as eight. That was a majority.

 

[GenemZ]

Also, your "God of the Gaps" argument is as old as the hills, and completely worthless.

To say its old as the hills is to make Darwinism even more worthless. For it came after Charles in response to Darwinism.

I was once reading a book in a library by an evolution scientist. The author stated that it was wondered why so many Christians neglect to learn the Gap teaching since it holds the most validity.

I should have bought that book. It would have made interesting reading for you.

The author also showed disdain for young earth creationism. Just as I do.

 

[GenemZ]

Why do so many think they have found him? Because they need to.

I did not need to. I simply knew at that point of my life I was a sinner and turned to the Cross as a means to deal with my messed up life. I was not seeking Christ like you might assume. I saw Jesus as a historical figure that did something in the past in regards to paying for my sins.

I did not bother to analyze much. I simply knew I was a sinner and very unhappy, with no hope in finding happiness on my own. I already tried finding happiness. That is how my life got messed up.

I was not seeking Jesus to make himself real to me. I had no idea that could even happen. I was simply seeking the benefit of my own tainted conscious in relation to the reason he died on the Cross. In spite of my ignorance, God began to transform my life. To say the least, it mystified and perplexed me as to what was going on. It was almost like reaching puberty while not knowing a change was to take place..

Now... I will leave that to your cynicism to make it into something you will feel comfortable with. Something it is not.

 

[USincognito]

Russian Communism. Chinese Communism.

Which one was not atheistic in its foundation? Which one.

Neither. Both were rooted in economics and anti-Imperialism while Maoism had a strain of Nationalism that Leninism lacked.

 

[USincognito]

You might as well ask why humans do not die when they have to metamorph from a baby into an adult.

Everybody must have missed this one?

Nope. You appear to have missed this response.

You might as well ask why humans do not die when they have to metamorph from a baby into an adult.

How long did it take for the caterpillar to go from his leaf eating stage to finally evolve and enter into the cocoon stage?

Are you under the impression that butterflies "evolve" from a caterpillar into an adult? All of the genes and body parts for metamorphasis are already inside the larval caterpillar.
How Does a Caterpillar Turn into a Butterfly? - Scientific American

First, the caterpillar digests itself, releasing enzymes to dissolve all of its tissues. If you were to cut open a cocoon or chrysalis at just the right time, caterpillar soup would ooze out. But the contents of the pupa are not entirely an amorphous mess. Certain highly organized groups of cells known as imaginal discs survive the digestive process. Before hatching, when a caterpillar is still developing inside its egg, it grows an imaginal disc for each of the adult body parts it will need as a mature butterfly or moth—discs for its eyes, for its wings, its legs and so on. In some species, these imaginal discs remain dormant throughout the caterpillar's life; in other species, the discs begin to take the shape of adult body parts even before the caterpillar forms a chrysalis or cocoon. Some caterpillars walk around with tiny rudimentary wings tucked inside their bodies, though you would never know it by looking at them.​

Bold mine.

Most if not all invertebrates go through a larval stage before emerging in their adult form. Here's how starfish develop.
Animal Development (starfish), Laboratory Notes in BIO 1003

Why did he not die while in the cacoon stage, but emerged as a butterfly? Would not that require a drastic and rapid transformation after entering the cocoon stage, and not take millions of years to come about?

Huh?

 

[GenemZ]

Neither. Both were rooted in economics and anti-Imperialism while Maoism had a strain of Nationalism that Leninism lacked.

Tell me.. Is it easy to give half truths and call them the whole truth?


Marxist–Leninist atheism (Russian: Марксистско-ленинский атеиз&#1084 is a part of the wider Marxist–Leninist philosophy (the type of Marxist philosophy found in the Soviet Union), which rejects religion[1][2] and advocates a materialist understanding of nature.[3] Marxism-Leninism holds that religion is the opium of the people, in the sense of promoting passive acceptance of suffering on Earth in the hope of eternal reward. Therefore, Marxism-Leninism advocates the abolition of religion and the acceptance of atheism.[4][5] Marxist-Leninist atheism has its roots in the philosophy of Ludwig Feuerbach, G.W.F. Hegel, Karl Marx, and Vladimir Lenin.[6]

Marxist‒Leninist atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[GenemZ]

You might as well ask why humans do not die when they have to metamorph from a baby into an adult.

Ok... Let me see if I have this right. While evolution was allegedly working in producing biological life? How could a fetus form in a body that had to be made ready for it before a embryo could ever be produced? To survive in that body? The woman's body had to be fully prepared before a fetus could ever begin. She had to have breasts suddenly appear (million years) to feed the baby. Also, an umbilical cord had to be there to nourish the unborn fetus. It just happened by chance... I get it. (about you)

And, you are telling me that evolution was at work with the opposite sexes simultaneously, so that one sex could produce sperm and the other an ovum? And all by random chance? That's insane to consider if you can understand all the complexity involved. What did animals do for the first million while there were no glands present to lubricate the vagina, as to make it penetrable?

We are adults here.

So, the male genitalia just formed by magic, and somehow knew it needed to become erect in order to procreate? yes! Its very smart! It has a brain of its own! And, lucked out to find itself in the right location to be able to penetrate a vagina? A vagina that was also to luck out and find itself in the right location to procreate? And, all by chance?!

It just happened by chance without any infinitely beyond genius designer?