A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[SkyWriting]

The difference is, those people know they are dreams and hopes, delusional people don't understand the difference.

Many claim that they are delusional.
Because to the successful, there is no difference.

 

[SkyWriting]

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And I thought I had troubles.

I see no evidence of that.

 

[bhsmte]

If you took all the materials that are used to construct a ship. And, analyzed all the elements it consists of? One could create an argument that a ship is a relative to an automobile. Scientifically, he could base it upon the elemental structures.

The genetic structure of many creatures can easily be found to be similar. For the Lord who designed biological life was working primarily with the same building blocks of life he invented.

One can argue that my kitchen table and a wooden baseball bat at one time came from the same source. And, they would be correct.

All biological life came from the Lord. So, why should anyone be surprised with the similarities of different life forms that are found? Does an artist use an entirely different type of paint for each and every picture he paints? No.. Same paints. Similar stroke impression. But, an entirely different scene for each one.

The ID people are free to present a testable theory on ID and to produce empirical evidence to support ID. So far, they haven't even gotten close.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you took all the materials that are used to construct a ship. And, analyzed all the elements it consists of? One could create an argument that a ship is a relative to an automobile.

Ships and automobiles do not fall into a nested hierarchy, so your analogy fails.

The genetic structure of many creatures can easily be found to be similar. For the Lord who designed biological life was working primarily with the same building blocks of life he invented.

Your argument demonstrates that you simply don't understand the evidence that supports evolution. It isn't the similarity that evidences evolution. It is the PATTERN of similarities that evidences evolution, and that pattern is a nested hierarchy of morphology and genetics. Using the same materials does not force you to create a nested hierarchy, just as human designs like ships and automobiles do not fall into a nested hierarchy. In fact, when humans design organisms they regularly violate a nested hierarchy.

One can argue that my kitchen table and a wooden baseball bat at one time came from the same source. And, they would be correct.

One could point out that tables and bats do not fall into a nested hierarchy, so they would not be mistaken as the product of evolution and common ancestry.

So, why should anyone be surprised with the similarities of different life forms that are found?

Once again, it is the PATTERN of similarity that evidences evolution.

Even more, an all powerful and all knowing deity who lives outside of time and space could have created every species with their own unique genetic system, so even then your comparison fails.

 

[Loudmouth]

Logical thinking that computers, airplanes and ipods did not come from trillions of right chances always going in their favor is not hot air. It's mathematically logical and scientific.

Computers, airplanes, and ipods do not reproduce and do not fall into a nested hierarchy. Life does, and this is what evidences evolution.

You did know that humans do not come from factories, right?

You have mountains of evidence that species can produce variety, within their species, through natural selection. That's all you have. That is not what is being discussed in these forums.

"First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14)."
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

Humans and chimps share over 200,000 ERV's at the same location in their genomes. This is smoking gun proof for shared ancestry.

 

[EternalDragon]

Computers, airplanes, and ipods do not reproduce and do not fall into a nested hierarchy. Life does, and this is what evidences evolution.

You did know that humans do not come from factories, right?

I don't think you realize the implications. Or you are ignoring them because you don't want to face the reality that evolution is ultimately responsible for enabling the creation of those inventions.

"First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14)."
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

Humans and chimps share over 200,000 ERV's at the same location in their genomes. This is smoking gun proof for shared ancestry.

You would like it to be, yes.

 

[GenemZ]

How do you know?

Do you see new lifeforms popping up spontaneously? Everything has boundaries and is in a fixed pattern.

Amazingly, what is living has a balancing effect on all other living creatures. There is an order and boundary for all life.

Interesting that I should receive this in an email only the other day. Life must have order to remain living.


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[GenemZ]

Humans and chimps share over 200,000 ERV's at the same location in their genomes. This is smoking gun proof for shared ancestry.

Again... an artist can paint many entirely different scenes using the very same paints each time.

The Lord INVENTED the concept and created the materials of genetic codes. He used them like Legos in the construction of different creatures. He invented the concept and then built with it.

Amazing mind the Lord of Creation has. If you ever enter heaven He could keep you fascinated with all the things He wants to share about His thinking in the creation. The Lord's mind will be like the Disney World for scientists. They will be held in awe and fascination with what He will show them. They will be forever ecstatic students at His feet.

Just look at the genome structures we have today! That's just primitive stuff compared to what will be in the future. No matter why kind of personality you possess, in the world of Eternity the Lord will be the ultimate sources of fascination and wonders which will be reality, not fantasy.. making it greater than fantasy!

 

[EternalDragon]

Do you see new lifeforms popping up spontaneously? Everything has boundaries and is in a fixed pattern.

Amazingly, what is living has a balancing effect on all other living creatures. There is an order and boundary for all life.

Interesting that I should receive this in an email only the other day. Life must have order to remain living.


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Wow! That was awesome! I've made that kind of argument many times. They will find a way to ignore it away by trying to debunk it.

 

[GenemZ]

Wow! That was awesome! I've made that kind of argument many times. They will find a way to ignore it away by trying to debunk it.

Their function as they are right now is to try. Its like a bacteria attacking a human body. They just have to try. Its their nature to.

The issue at stake is... is your immune system up to the task.

But, then again... some surprisingly mutate by God's grace. They become a part of the benevolent flora in his body.

One never knows. Won always knows.

 

[Loudmouth]

Again... an artist can paint many entirely different scenes using the very same paints each time.

That has nothing to do with ERV's. Why don't you actually discuss the evidence instead of giving us more hot air.

The Lord INVENTED the concept and created the materials of genetic codes. He used them like Legos in the construction of different creatures. He invented the concept and then built with it.

Why would this produce a nested hierarchy? Why would this produce the pattern of ERV's that we see in humans and other apes? Why would an all powerful and all knowing deity who has endless time and resources need to copy anything from one species to make another species? For such a deity, starting from scratch would be just as easy as copying from other species.

Amazing mind the Lord of Creation has. If you ever enter heaven He could keep you fascinated with all the things He wants to share about His thinking in the creation. The Lord's mind will be like the Disney World for scientists. They will be held in awe and fascination with what He will show them. They will be forever ecstatic students at His feet.

Just look at the genome structures we have today! That's just primitive stuff compared to what will be in the future. No matter why kind of personality you possess, in the world of Eternity the Lord will be the ultimate sources of fascination and wonders which will be reality, not fantasy.. making it greater than fantasy!

More hot air, and zero science.

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you see new lifeforms popping up spontaneously? Everything has boundaries and is in a fixed pattern.

Empty claims.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't think you realize the implications. Or you are ignoring them because you don't want to face the reality that evolution is ultimately responsible for enabling the creation of those inventions.

Why can't you show us those implications, with evidence to back them up?

You would like it to be, yes.

It is, and you have failed at every turn to show otherwise. All you ever do is give denials devoid of any evidence or facts. You think that closing your eyes makes the facts go away.

 

[GenemZ]

That has nothing to do with ERV's. Why don't you actually discuss the evidence instead of giving us more hot air.

Hot air one can not see. Just because you can not perceive something does not equate it with hot air. Radio waves are not hot air. You just can not see what it is I said.

Why would this produce a nested hierarchy? Why would this produce the pattern of ERV's that we see in humans and other apes? Why would an all powerful and all knowing deity who has endless time and resources need to copy anything from one species to make another species? For such a deity, starting from scratch would be just as easy as copying from other species.

We use pig skin grafts for burn victims. Calves liver is a very healthy thing to eat (organic only). Egg yolks are good for our brain function. Certain foods we eat has DNA that can help our own to repair itself. The Lord provided for all our needs.

Why should he want to create all kinds of flesh drastically different from another? You ever pet a rock? Hug a tree? God wanted interaction between man and the animal kingdom. We identify more readily with land animals that express emotion than water creatures that can be as cold as a fish.

Ever sense and hear a car purr? Its calming to the human being. Dogs get all emotional and are a great source of joy to their human family. Monkeys make us laugh and enjoy. God wanted similarities to exist. For many animals in the Bible were uses as living metaphor's that God used to describe negative and positive human traits.

God knows what He is doing. You can't keep up in your own understanding. He does not allow for your sense of superiority to stand in His presence. That disturbs you when you consider that He may really be existing. For all your self esteem rests in what you perceive as having a superior scientific mind. Before God, you are a dim wit. We all are. Yet, He loves us. So much so, that he died.

 

[Loudmouth]

Hot air one can not see. Just because you can not perceive something does not equate it with hot air. Radio waves are not hot air. You just can not see what it is I said.

Please, deal with the evidence. No more hot air.

Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

We use pig skin grafts for burn victims. Calves liver is a very healthy thing to eat (organic only). Egg yolks are good for our brain function. Certain foods we eat has DNA that can help our own to repair itself. The Lord provided for all our needs.

How does this explain the nested hierarchy or shared ERV's? This is more hot air.

Why should he want to create all kinds of flesh drastically different from another?

Why not? Why does this type of creation require a nested hierarchy?

God wanted interaction between man and the animal kingdom.

Why does this require a nested hierarchy?

Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if bats had feathers, or if seagulls had teats? Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if trout had forward facing retinas?

We identify more readily with land animals that express emotion than water creatures that can be as cold as a fish.

Why does this require a nested hierarchy?

Ever sense and hear a car purr? Its calming to the human being. Dogs get all emotional and are a great source of joy to their human family. Monkeys make us laugh and enjoy. God wanted similarities to exist. For many animals in the Bible were uses as living metaphor's that God used to describe negative and positive human traits.

You can have similarities without a nested hierarchy. So why do we see a nested hierarchy?

God knows what He is doing. You can't keep up in your own understanding. He does not allow for your sense of superiority to stand in His presence. That disturbs you when you consider that He may really be existing. For all your self esteem rests in what you perceive as having a superior scientific mind. Before God, you are a dim wit. We all are. Yet, He loves us. So much so, that he died.

More hot air. Will you be presenting any evidence, or just empty assertions?

 

[Davian]

Please, deal with the evidence. No more hot air.

Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences



How does this explain the nested hierarchy or shared ERV's? This is more hot air.



Why not? Why does this type of creation require a nested hierarchy?



Why does this require a nested hierarchy?

Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if bats had feathers, or if seagulls had teats? Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if trout had forward facing retinas?



Why does this require a nested hierarchy?



You can have similarities without a nested hierarchy. So why do we see a nested hierarchy?



More hot air. Will you be presenting any evidence, or just empty assertions?

Just empty assertions, it would seem.

 

[GenemZ]

Please, deal with the evidence. No more hot air.

Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences



How does this explain the nested hierarchy or shared ERV's? This is more hot air.



Why not? Why does this type of creation require a nested hierarchy?



Why does this require a nested hierarchy?

Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if bats had feathers, or if seagulls had teats? Would man be incapable of interacting with the animal kingdom if trout had forward facing retinas?



Why does this require a nested hierarchy?



You can have similarities without a nested hierarchy. So why do we see a nested hierarchy?



More hot air. Will you be presenting any evidence, or just empty assertions?

What is your definition of nested hierarchy? Define it in your terms, so we can be on the same page.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you see new lifeforms popping up spontaneously? Everything has boundaries and is in a fixed pattern.

Amazingly, what is living has a balancing effect on all other living creatures. There is an order and boundary for all life.

Interesting that I should receive this in an email only the other day. Life must have order to remain living.


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I am not suggesting that you are going to get anything complex developing; in fact, I would argue against that. However, very simple entities, such as some protobacterium, could form in certain conditions.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am not suggesting that you are going to get anything complex developing; in fact, I would argue against that. However, very simple entities, such as some protobacterium, could form in certain conditions.

Nothing complex forms out of something simple without
complex instructions.

 

[SkyWriting]

Talk, talk, talk, irrational statement after irrational statement, nothing but endless chatter. Change the word God for anything you like and it will remain as invalid as it does now, meaningless.

Your postings claim higher ground without evidence of it?