A Pondering of the Peculiar (3)

[Davian]

Your confidence is no better than keeping it untouched, so nothing would anger you. You do so by putting words in another's mouth so you can have your little world unchallenged and not deal with what was actually said.

Show me where I have done this.

If someone physically or legally forced you to answer honestly some of the things you have been presented? Things which instead of addressing, you glibly vaporized away by changing the intent of what was stated, as if it were the intent? Your confidence would prove that its only based upon your ability to avoid issues. Not resolve them.

Are you accusing me of dishonesty?

True confidence comes from having real answers that resolve the problem. Your confidence comes from your ability to dodge and slap. Not from being able to take a punch and remain standing

What are you going to "punch" me with?

Presuppositional apologetics?

Have you not had long enough in this thread to come up with something of significance?

 

[FredHoyle]

What would you say was wrong with someone who talked about imaginary things as if they were real?

I know where you are going with that... Because I know how limited you are in your perspective. So, must I relate to you according to your truncated view of reality? If that were the case, I would have not bothered.

Of course you know where I was going with that because in any other circumstances the answer would be,
in need of treatment, but because your imaginary friend is classed as a religion you get a pass, when in fact you need the same treatment.

Tell me.. What do you have to offer to win me over to your empty way of life?

Offer you? absolutely nothing, what could I offer you? what could anyone offer you?

You know as well as I do there is nothing anyone could say, do or demonstrate that would change your mind,
the only one who can change your mind is you, you must find out for yourself, because even if anyone could you would not let them show you, dismissal and denial is what creationism is all about, if you let reality in it will take you over and you know it.

If you talked to me for very long your shields would be set so high even light and air would be shut out.

 

[SkyWriting]

What would you say was wrong with someone who talked about imaginary things as if they were real?

That is a characteristic of the most successful people in the world!
Every inventor, mover, shaker, professional and amateur athlete
uses visualization to reach their goals.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you find yourself being able to recall instantly something that happened 30 years ago but have trouble remembering what you were thinking 10 minutes ago?

Studies show that those old memories are likely to be incorrect. The new ones as well.

 

[FredHoyle]

Studies show that those old memories are likely to be incorrect. The new ones as well.

And I thought I had troubles.

 

[GenemZ]

I do not accept your presumption that what you have is "real".

Yet, it still remains real. Your words mean nothing.

But, your words would mean something if we ever were taken over by a Communist nation that would hunt down Christians in a vicious attempt to deprogram them. Then all your practice would have a purpose. But, that's not likely to happen in your lifetime. So, keep your day job.

 

[GenemZ]

Not funny. That rings true for many churches.

2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when people will not put up
with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather round them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to hear.
​

 

[PsychoSarah]

Give it up Sarah. You were bragging about having a language IQ of 150 and yet didn't know a fairly common use of the word 'parsimony'. Your defense is a word salad. Just take note of the fact that you learned something, and next time don't be so quick to call your ignorance my error.

I did learn something? Gosh, why do I find it so hard to communicate with you sometimes? Language IQ of 150 doesn't mean I think I know everything about a language in the slightest and I am well aware.

I guess I come off as abrasive to you somehow, even though I don't intend to?

I am wrong about words all the time (mostly how they are pronounced), and I am not ashamed of that, and if I came off as suggesting that you were using it wrong I am sorry I didn't mean for it to seem that way. Talking to you reminds me that my social disorder doesn't disappear when I am online, it is only a bit less obvious.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That is a characteristic of the most successful people in the world!
Every inventor, mover, shaker, professional and amateur athlete
uses visualization to reach their goals.

I guess none of them are auditory or kinesthetic learners -_-

 

[PsychoSarah]

"Very flawed"? Do you have anything to substantiate that?

When I look up stuff and see "citation needed" in Wikipedia, it shows that what ever information preceded it doesn't have a source and thus hasn't been verified. Isn't it a bit flawed that information without a source is allowed on there in the first place? To be fair, Wikipedia has made some effort to improve its reliability by limiting what sort of people can contribute to the more academic portions a bit.

 

[Davian]

That you believe you possess something does not mean that you actually possess it.


What is a "genuine" Christian? One like you? lol.


It may seem that way to you, but it is not you that is the target, just what is claimed as truth yet rings of falsehood.

Are you not here on a voluntary basis?


I do not accept your presumption that what you have is "real".


Because it is not there. It is only an illusion.


That may be the reality of it. Do you not think I would prefer the alternative?


I do not have an empty way of life.

The question at hand is, what do you have to offer to win me over to yours?

So, you have nothing to offer to win me over to your (apparently) empty way of life?

Yet, it still remains real.

lol. Still nothing but bluff and bluster.

Your words mean nothing.

Obviously untrue. If they did you wouldn't be pulling out this old sock...

But, your words would mean something if we ever were taken over by a Communist nation that would hunt down Christians in a vicious attempt to deprogram them. Then all your practice would have a purpose. But, that's not likely to happen in your lifetime. So, keep your day job.

The Christian pulls the persecution card.

rotflmao.

If your deity was more than a character in a book, could you not appeal to it to save you from the oppressive minority?

 

[Davian]

Not funny. That rings true for many churches.

2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when people will not put up
with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather round them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to hear.
​

I disagree. It applies to all churches built to gods.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I disagree. It applies to all churches built to gods.

I think it just applies to people in general. People may say lying is a sin, but I have been punished far more for saying the truth than for any lie, even if you summed up all my punished lies and multiplied them by 10 (I don't lie a lot, not because of it necessarily being just the "right thing to do" but also because my social disorder makes it hard for me to detect situations in which lying is acceptable and I am so terrible at telling lies there isn't really much of a reason for me to bother with lies, even when the situation demands it). I wish there wasn't that kind of conflict: even secular situations preach honesty and punish it in the same breath.

 

[Davian]

When I look up stuff and see "citation needed" in Wikipedia, it shows that what ever information preceded it doesn't have a source and thus hasn't been verified. Isn't it a bit flawed that information without a source is allowed on there in the first place? To be fair, Wikipedia has made some effort to improve its reliability by limiting what sort of people can contribute to the more academic portions a bit.

Now it is a "bit flawed"?

Obviously, if a section lack citations its credibility is suspect. The sections that I was directing Mr. Cosmology to were swimming in citations.

In the beginning, the point was get the pages up and things were lax. Personally, I have noted that many pictures that lacked permission (scanned without permission from magazines etc) have been removed from wiki. It is getting better. There may be information that is informative or interesting, but not libelous, that could be there pending verification - but it is noted as such.

I just wanted to know why you threw out the "very flawed" blanket statement about wiki, when that does not appear to be the case anymore.

 

[Sayre]

I did learn something? Gosh, why do I find it so hard to communicate with you sometimes? Language IQ of 150 doesn't mean I think I know everything about a language in the slightest and I am well aware.

I guess I come off as abrasive to you somehow, even though I don't intend to?

I am wrong about words all the time (mostly how they are pronounced), and I am not ashamed of that, and if I came off as suggesting that you were using it wrong I am sorry I didn't mean for it to seem that way. Talking to you reminds me that my social disorder doesn't disappear when I am online, it is only a bit less obvious.

By all means remind us of your IQ again. I missed it the first and second time.

 

[PsychoSarah]

By all means remind us of your IQ again. I missed it the first and second time.

You make my head hurt, I also have a spatial reasoning IQ of 80 (20 points below average), I don't mean to make myself out to be a genius. Also, the question mark after "I did learn something" is a typo, it should be a comma.
Because I did learn something, because I made a mistake.

 

[biggles53]

Sarah...take the hint...

People will assess your intelligence based on what you have to say and how you structure your thoughts....not by any scores you thrust upon them....

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sarah...take the hint...

People will assess your intelligence based on what you have to say and how you structure your thoughts....not by any scores you thrust upon them....

I am a person of roughly average intelligence, I just have some lopsided ness to it. They are just numbers to me really, and I state that number as a willingness to develop that area better to take advantage of some natural ability, not to suggest I am better than others.

I wish I could understand how it sounds to other people; I thought that telling people stuff like that about me would help them understand me better, but I guess that isn't what is happening huh

I just, don't know how to say what I need to say in the right way.

 

[FredHoyle]

What would you say was wrong with someone who talked about imaginary things as if they were real?

That is a characteristic of the most successful people in the world!
Every inventor, mover, shaker, professional and amateur athlete
uses visualization to reach their goals.

The difference is, those people know they are dreams and hopes, delusional people don't understand the difference.

 

[Loudmouth]

Atheism has nothing to offer. Only explanations as to how we got to be existing in meaninglessness. You function biologically, seek some pleasure if you can find it...then you die. That's great.

You are forgetting that we don't define ourselves by what we don't believe in. A rational, honest approach to reality has much to offer. Recognizing that purpose in life is the purpose we give it is a much better way of approaching the world, IMHO. It seems a lot better than following a 2,000 year old book that seems obsessed with sex, and which animals you eat.