Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Vote Fraud

[Veritas]

Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Voter Fraud to Prosecutors | National Review Online#!

Of course, liberals always downplay the issue, insisting it either doesn't exist or that it's rare. You have to wonder though, if most vote fraud involved conservatives, wouldn't it then be considered important enough to investigate? Since the article doesn't mentioned in which races and candidates there is evidence of fraud, based on the fact that only liberals are upset, one would assume they involve dems. Further, this is just the state of Iowa. If other state's attorney generals were more interested, surely they would find several cases, too. Instead, there appears to be a "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" attitude.

 

[Habbit Animal]

This is pure fiction. There's no such thing as voter fraud. There's just outrage that one more ID is required to prove you are who you say you are when you plan to elect who runs peoples lives in America for the next four years.

 

[Vylo]

Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Voter Fraud to Prosecutors | National Review Online#!

Of course, liberals always downplay the issue, insisting it either doesn't exist or that it's rare. You have to wonder though, if most vote fraud involved conservatives, wouldn't it then be considered important enough to investigate? Since the article doesn't mentioned in which races and candidates there is evidence of fraud, based on the fact that only liberals are upset, one would assume they involve dems. Further, this is just the state of Iowa. If other state's attorney generals were more interested, surely they would find several cases, too. Instead, there appears to be a "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" attitude.

Voter fraud does exist, but primarily in absentee ballots. But since the military is involved with this republicans have seemed to ignore it.

 

[kermit]

Voter fraud does exist, but primarily in absentee ballots. But since the military is involved with this republicans have seemed to ignore it.

Note that the article never says these are cases of in-person voter fraud.

Every honest analysis of voter ID laws show that it will disenfranchise far more (as in many multiples more) people than will be prevented from committing in-person voter fraud. In the meantime, the vast bulk of voter fraud, mail-in voting, is completely unaddressed

The right keeps perpetuating the lie that liberals don't care about voter fraud. The truth is that the right has shown they don't care about it by creating solution that ignores the vast majority of cases.

 

[loveofourlord]

80 voter frauds across how many elections and things in 2008? Need it be pointed out again, as someone else did, republicans have outright admited this was ENTIRELY To stop people they don't want voting from doing so, they can't win relections any more due to their policies so they are trying to stop those that vote democrat from doing so.

And people arn't saying there isn't voter fraud, of course there is. The issue is, are the voter frauds that can be stopped by these laws actually happening, or in big enough issue to mater?

Majority of voter fraud is absente, or like in florida where those doing the polling ad names of dead people, those that a ID would stop AKA people walking in and claiming to be someone they arn't, or voting 2-3 times, just don't happen in any large example. And THAT is the only fraud these laws could stop.

 

[Veritas]

Note that the article never says these are cases of in-person voter fraud.

Every honest analysis of voter ID laws show that it will disenfranchise far more (as in many multiples more) people than will be prevented from committing in-person voter fraud. In the meantime, the vast bulk of voter fraud, mail-in voting, is completely unaddressed

The right keeps perpetuating the lie that liberals don't care about voter fraud. The truth is that the right has shown they don't care about it by creating solution that ignores the vast majority of cases.

Would you mind posting an article from a credible source that proves voter ID would disenfranchise anyone? Every single objection has been clearly addressed and would NOT prevent any legal citizen from exercising their right to vote. This whole disenfranchisement issue is just a red herring.

 

[cow451]

Of course, liberals always downplay the issue, insisting it either doesn't exist or that it's rare. You have to wonder though, if most vote fraud involved conservatives, wouldn't it then be considered important enough to investigate? Since the article doesn't mentioned in which races and candidates there is evidence of fraud, based on the fact that only liberals are upset, one would assume they involve dems. Further, this is just the state of Iowa. If other state's attorney generals were more interested, surely they would find several cases, too. Instead, there appears to be a "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" attitude.

A less biased account:

Eighty suspected out of 1.6 million votes cast. If all are guilty, that means 85 out of 1.6 million. Based on the guilty pleas already in, nearly all were unintentional.

Since September, when DeCamp took over as the lead investigator, the effort has scrutinized 245 individual voters. Of those, more than 80 have been referred to county attorneys for possible prosecution.
Prosecutors will decide whether to bring charges based on the evidence provided by the DCI.
Since the investigation began in July 2012, five cases have resulted in guilty pleas. Fifteen are pending before courts across the state, DeCamp said.
A Des Moines Register investigation into the five guilty pleas last December revealed they generally involved voters who didn’t intentionally violate state election laws.

So, Obama's victory (assuming the GOP scenario that all 85 voted for Obama) with disputed votes cast out:

Obama: 818,155
McCain: 677,508

 

[Veritas]

Voter fraud does exist, but primarily in absentee ballots. But since the military is involved with this republicans have seemed to ignore it.

Ironic you should mention this. It is actually the military votes that are more likely to NOT be counted. If there is any disinfranchisement, it is this group, not some poor, black neighborhood in ChiTown. There is no evidence that there is vote fraud in military absentee ballots. If there is, please present it.

EVERSOLE: Military votes don't count - Washington Times

 

[CabVet]

A less biased account:

Eighty suspected out of 1.6 million votes cast. If all are guilty, that means 85 out of 1.6 million. Based on the guilty pleas already in, nearly all were unintentional.

Since September, when DeCamp took over as the lead investigator, the effort has scrutinized 245 individual voters. Of those, more than 80 have been referred to county attorneys for possible prosecution.
Prosecutors will decide whether to bring charges based on the evidence provided by the DCI.
Since the investigation began in July 2012, five cases have resulted in guilty pleas. Fifteen are pending before courts across the state, DeCamp said.
A Des Moines Register investigation into the five guilty pleas last December revealed they generally involved voters who didn’t intentionally violate state election laws.

So, Obama's victory (assuming the GOP scenario that all 85 voted for Obama) with disputed votes cast out:

Obama: 818,155
McCain: 677,508

85 out of 1.6 million?

That is 0.0053%, a serious issue! We need new laws to prevent it!

 

[Veritas]

85 out of 1.6 million?

That is 0.0053%, a serious issue! We need new laws to prevent it!

Does it matter if it's one or one million? Fraud is fraud and should be prosecuted. Whether it sways an election, is not the issue. I can see why liberals are not bothered by it...they're the one's usually engaged in it.

 

[CabVet]

Does it matter if it's one or one million?

Yes, it does matter when changing the law and requiring more IDs will stop thousands (mostly democrats) from voting.

Fraud is fraud and should be prosecuted. Whether it sways an election, is not the issue. I can see why liberals are not bothered by it...they're the one's usually engaged in it.

Yes, by all means, continue with the smear. 85 liberals engaged in it (assuming they were all liberals, which is likely not the case). In what planet would that change the outcome of any election?

 

[cow451]

85 out of 1.6 million?

That is 0.0053%, a serious issue! We need new laws to prevent it!

First, that is a stretch to assume all 85 cases are intentional fraud. Even with the five cases with guilty pleas, there wasn't "fraud" in the sense of doing something intentional.

You know an error rate of 5 out of 1000 is hardly something to scream about given the solution (I use the term loosely) will likely cause at least as many rightful voters to be disenfranchised.

 

[cow451]

Yes, by all means, continue with the smear. 85 liberals engaged in it (assuming they were all liberals, which is likely not the case). In what planet would that change the outcome of any election?

Planet Gore.

 

[kermit]

Does it matter if it's one or one million? Fraud is fraud and should be prosecuted. Whether it sways an election, is not the issue. I can see why liberals are not bothered by it...they're the one's usually engaged in it.

If you and Repubicans are so serious about preventing voter fraud then where's the proposal to prevent the vast majority of voter fraud which is committed through absetee ballot?

Funny how the only area where you guys seem to care about this issue also has the "unintended" consequense of disenfanchising demographics that primarily vote Democratic. But I'm sure that's unitentional....yeah right.

 

[NightHawkeye]

First, that is a stretch to assume all 85 cases are intentional fraud. Even with the five cases with guilty pleas, there wasn't "fraud" in the sense of doing something intentional.

Evidence please.

Thanks in advance.

 

[cow451]

Evidence please.

Thanks in advance.

Check the link I provided about the five guilty pleas.

I live to serve.

 

[CabVet]

Planet Gore.

Not really, the difference as 537 votes.

Florida election recount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But the outcome could have been different if fraud in absentee ballots was addressed.

 

[revanneosl]

Does it matter if it's one or one million? Fraud is fraud and should be prosecuted. Whether it sways an election, is not the issue. I can see why liberals are not bothered by it...they're the one's usually engaged in it.

How much more are you willing to be taxed in order to finance the project of bringing the voter fraud rate down to 0?

 

[Savior2006]

Does it matter if it's one or one million?.

The difference is 999,999 votes.

 

[Sistrin]

Yes, it does matter when changing the law and requiring more IDs will stop thousands (mostly democrats) from voting.

Because why? Democrats are less capable than non-Democrats at accomplishing simple task such as having their picture made? No, wait, it is because all of these people live 300 miles from a DMV office and will have to walk uphill in both directions through the freezing snow to get there only to be turned away by some evil Republican bureaucrat whose mission in life is to stop them from voting.

Yes, by all means, continue with the smear. 85 liberals engaged in it (assuming they were all liberals, which is likely not the case). In what planet would that change the outcome of any election?

Minnesota.