This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

[LittleLambofJesus]

This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

Well, so much for this thread ending sabbath debating

Quotes taken from another sabbath thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7799493/
Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

Originally Posted by from scratch

Those who promote the 7th day Sabbath as a requirement are promoting Judaism and not Christianity.
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No, the Sabbath is God's. The Sabbath was made for mankind, not just the Jews. So it is God's Sabbath, not mankind's...not the Jew's.

However, yes, the SDA who is presenting the Sabbath as a requirement of salvation is teaching OC principles. He or she is presenting subtle legalism.

However, my brother, did you say you are no longer sinful? That too is legalism....

So be careful because when you condemn another you do the same....

I myself don't really know how to label the SDA practice of Sabbath keeping, such as whether it be Judaism or any other but I do agree that it becomes legalistic in sense of their doctrinal concepts.

To me, the Sabbath is not just a day of worship but it was a day on which God made a covenant with humankind, the male and the female so that they are balanced in His Law/Yoke and this way they are one in Christ and no longer seen apart from God as male or female. The reason being that even males become the bride of the bridegroom.

God is no respecter of persons, which means He cannot be because of His covenant, and it was so that the man and the woman, and their righteous offspring may be joint heirs in all that God owns. The world today that is not keeping the Covenant are doing so because they find the world more appealing and attractive than the treasures of heaven, which they cannot see but they sure do see what's in this world and in front of them as all things that are wicked are being promoted and pushed hard on us, as eye candy.

The key factor is the covenant that does determine also the spirit of the human, and this is why we were made in the Image of the Father and the Likeness of the Son. In prophecy, the Son is also a feminine figure, albeit He is not homosexual nor a female but only is in the Spiritual sense so to make the covenant as it is a marriage contract with God.

To not keep the feasts and Sabbaths is the same as divorcing God by breaking off that covenant that was made in the very Beginning, and made in God. The outward appearance of any church, and in this case, the SDA church, it seems okay and fine to her followers but there are other issues that make that Sabbath a counterfeit, and not the same as the first covenant.

There are too many topics of concern in this matter of the SDA church than I dare to address, or even be allowed to because of Forum restrictions so I'll cut this short to say that we should be keeping the Sabbath but not to celebrate it with the SDA church nor any other church at this time.

At this present time, the entire world is in violation of the covenant, and all fingers pointed at this church or that church is nonsense, really. We then become the accuser of the brethren just as they do, and we are no better than they.

In spite of all the propaganda about certain days of worship, and Sunday being the popular day in the USA, I find one Bible reference that is a stumbling block to those who worship on Sunday, and I have never seen anyone of them use Matthew 28:1 as reference because it is a stumbling block for Sunday worshipers.

I believe that it is the difference between Protestantism and the Old school Sabbath keepers who did keep it as a sign of the Covenant, and not as the Protestants do.

It's sort of like a homeowner who lives in a home by the contract that was made between the buyer and seller but when he/she leaves the home, the contract is null and void, and he/she is no longer the homeowner while they are away. Thanks

Matthew 28:1
King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

The Gospel of Thomas also has all sorts of other fun quotes in it, which I'm pretty sure the SDA church would find blasphemous.

Time to break out ye olde Gnostic Bible.

What does that have to do with the topic of this thread?


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[SAAN]

There will never be an end to the Sabbath debate because the 4th commandment says to remember the 7th day and keep it holy and do no work and a majority of Christians dont keep this command. So when a SDA, Jew, or Hebrew keeps the Sabbath, they usually beat their chest over that and throw it in Sunday Christians faces that they are not doing what the bible commands.

If God meant every 7th Day or "The 7th Day" (Saturday), only when we get to heaven will we find out. But to say Jesus mission was to come to earth and abolish the Sabbath is absolutely ridiculous, as Jesus himself said he didnt come to abolish any laws.

I personally think the Sabbath still stands and God will reward those that keep it, but I dont think he will send people to hell that didnt.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I feel pity for those who base their whole religion on scriptures alone.

It's like getting news today - without getting the whole story.
Yes scriptures are fundamentally necessary - but they do not give anyone the fullness - hence why Tradition always exists - in every facet of life.

You couldnt read Shakespeare without traditional understanding - nor could you read him - because no one would carry on his literature.

You cannot go back in history to know what was done unless you had some traditional understanding, you can only guess. Which is what most of archealogy is. Guess work.
Hence why they dont understand the egyptian pyramids and the old stones standing alone. [etc]

Everything in life has a purpose and point behind it - without which knowing - leaves ppl to guess.

And Tradition was maintained in the Church and she kept the 1st Catechism - the Didache - which states that Sunday is the Lord's day - and we're talking a writing written by the 1st Bishops taught by the Apostles. IE - putting the Apostles words in writing for the 'actual' things that were to be done [in their time]

So Sabbath is done - and has been done - because the early Apostles said it was now Sundays.

The rest - is either ignore the Apostles and remain in the Judaic form without the Risen Lord Who rose on Sunday marking His day - or follow Tradition.
Guessing what the scriptures alone means - is like anything else.

And why would anyone like to guess at the most important thing for their salvation?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There will never be an end to the Sabbath debate because the 4th commandment says to remember the 7th day and keep it holy and do no work and a majority of Christians dont keep this command. So when a SDA, Jew, or Hebrew keeps the Sabbath, they usually beat their chest over that and throw it in Sunday Christians faces that they are not doing what the bible commands.

If God meant every 7th Day or "The 7th Day" (Saturday), only when we get to heaven will we find out. But to say Jesus mission was to come to earth and abolish the Sabbath is absolutely ridiculous, as Jesus himself said he didnt come to abolish any laws.

I personally think the Sabbath still stands and God will reward those that keep it, but I dont think he will send people to hell that didnt.

That is most reassuring to those of us "gentiles" that do not keep the Jewish sabbath


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[SAAN]

That is most reassuring to those of us "gentiles" that do not keep the Jewish sabbath


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When you say that, that opens it up for SDA's to say it isnt a Jewish Sabbath and starts the whole Gen 2:3 debate and using Mark 2:27 out of context in relation to Gen 2:3.

I know many Messianic's and all they do is brag about how they keep the Sabbath. The 4th commandment debate will continue until Jesus returns.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

That is most reassuring to those of us "gentiles" that do not keep the Jewish sabbath

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When you say that, that opens it up for SDA's to say it isnt a Jewish Sabbath and starts the whole Gen 2:3 debate and using Mark 2:27 out of context in relation to Gen 2:3.

I know many Messianic's and all they do is brag about how they keep the Sabbath. The 4th commandment debate will continue until Jesus returns.

So let 'em keep it.


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[WarriorAngel]

yes - it will continue - so long as folks dont have the fullness of what the early Christians were taught....via the 'preaching orally' of the Apostles.

 

[WarriorAngel]

A hazard of sola scriptura.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yes - it will continue - so long as folks dont have the fullness of what the early Christians were taught....via the 'preaching orally' of the Apostles.

A hazard of sola scriptura.

It would seem so......


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[SummaScriptura]

Ahhhh....

...no posts since the 27th.....

... all debate has finally ended...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ahhhh....

...no posts since the 27th.....

... all debate has finally ended...

Only on this Sabbath thread



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[from scratch]

It'll be very interesting to see how this forum is policed. I'm very excited about some new rules.

 

[BobRyan]

:d

Glad to see that someone found a solution for getting everyone to finally agree with God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It'll be very interesting to see how this forum is policed.
I'm very excited about some new rules.

Me too


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Glad to see that someone found a solution for getting everyone to finally agree with God.

in Christ,

Bob

Me too!


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[BobRyan]

:d

Indeed just read my signature line - that alone will lead one to a solution.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Indeed just read my signature line - that alone will lead one to a solution.

in Christ,

Bob

Only for the deceived. Its already been shown that some of your references don't support the 7th day Sabbath concept for the 7th day.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

BobRyan said: ↑
Indeed just read my signature line - that alone will lead one to a solution..........

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I need to turn on "show siggies"........brb...............

Ahhhh.....intereresting....

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

 

[pgp_protector]

I need to turn on "show siggies"........brb...............

Ahhhh.....intereresting....

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)

You do realize that post was 2 years old, and their sig may of changed over the last few years, on a thread that's about 6 years old.
Guess it's not living up to it's title of ending the debate once and for all.