The Sabbath and the Covenants

[Cribstyl]

The Sabbath and the Covenants - A Refutation of Sabbatarian Theology - YouTube

This video has valuable truths you cant walk away from.

 

[BobRyan]

The good news is that there are a number of Sunday Sources that cover the issue of the New Covenant and the Moral Law of God including the Ten Commandments - available online as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

-- See section 19 in either of the "Confessions of Faith" sources listed above.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Cribstyl]

The law is the old covenant.. Do you disagree? . Many have taken their eyes off the bible and point to what other sources declare.

The OP video should be considered in this thread. Don't you agree?

 

[annier]

The law is the old covenant.. Do you disagree? . Many have taken their eyes off the bible and point to what other sources declare.

The OP video should be considered in this thread. Don't you agree?

Hi Cribstyl, I liked the video.
Here is a thought I have about the Sabbath being a sign of the Mosaic covenant. How can the Sabbath be commanded in any other covenant, and be a sign for a covenant? It couldn't it seems. If any other covenant God made included to keep the seventh day Sabbath, then it would not serve as a sign to any covenant, but rather be common to them all.

 

[Cribstyl]

Hi Cribstyl, I liked the video.
Here is a thought I have about the Sabbath being a sign of the Mosaic covenant. How can the Sabbath be commanded in any other covenant, and be a sign for a covenant? It couldn't it seems. If any other covenant God made included to keep the seventh day Sabbath, then it would not serve as a sign to any covenant, but rather be common to them all.

That's quite reasonable

 

[from scratch]

The good news is that there are a number of Sunday Sources that cover the issue of the New Covenant and the Moral Law of God including the Ten Commandments - available online as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

-- See section 19 in either of the "Confessions of Faith" sources listed above.

in Christ,

Bob

The bad news for you is some of these people say the Christian Sabbath is Sunday and another of your sources say one may observe the Sabbath any day of the week. And all of them worship on Sunday providing proof they don't support a mandatory observance of the Sabbath.

 

[from scratch]

The law is the old covenant.. Do you disagree? . Many have taken their eyes off the bible and point to what other sources declare.

The OP video should be considered in this thread. Don't you agree?

In opposition to the Bible I think he believes there is only one continuous covenant.

 

[Cribstyl]

BobRyan wins if we're talking about his socalled truths and not what we believe. That's why he never responds to our claims.

I dont expect him or any SDA member to watch the video in the OP.

 

[VictorC]

Guys, once you get a taste of these provable truths you won't walk away.


This is full gospel truth.

This stuff is golden.

I considered watching the video, but when I saw the time of 1 hour 28 minutes I realized that I simply can't stay in one place to absorb it. It would have been nice to have a summary of the message, but behold! We have a witness who has seen it! All is not lost

Hi Cribstyl, I liked the video.
Here is a thought I have about the Sabbath being a sign of the Mosaic covenant. How can the Sabbath be commanded in any other covenant, and be a sign for a covenant? It couldn't it seems. If any other covenant God made included to keep the seventh day Sabbath, then it would not serve as a sign to any covenant, but rather be common to them all.

Getting this from the video sounds very much like what I have gotten from years handling Scripture. And I agree with your impression.

 

[annier]

I considered watching the video, but when I saw the time of 1 hour 28 minutes I realized that I simply can't stay in one place to absorb it. It would have been nice to have a summary of the message, but behold! We have a witness who has seen it! All is not lost

Getting this from the video sounds very much like what I have gotten from years handling Scripture. And I agree with your impression.

Actually, I did not get this from the video so much. I was looking for it though. But this aspect of the Sabbath being a sign was not brought up. I do need to watch it again when I have time, because at the end I fell asleep . It was late. It was around an hour into the video, and he was saying something about other days than Saturday were Sabbaths. When I awoke from my nod I bbriefly looked for it and could not find it. It was so late, I was too sleepy and just went to bed.

 

[VictorC]

Actually, I did not get this from the video so much. I was looking for it though. But this aspect of the Sabbath being a sign was not brought up. I do need to watch it again when I have time, because at the end I fell asleep . It was late. It was around an hour into the video, and he was saying something about other days than Saturday were Sabbaths. When I awoke from my nod I bbriefly looked for it and could not find it. It was so late, I was too sleepy and just went to bed.

Oh, well. 2/3 is better than what I can do. At least now, maybe later I can watch the video.

I haven't really considered the sabbath being a sign of the covenant, but Exodus 31:16 suggests that the sabbath itself was a covenant in itself: Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
And of course the sabbath is a component of the covenant from Mount Sinai, and shares God's disposition of that covenant in His redemption and adoption.

Notice that there is always a particular group that was given the sabbath - the children of Israel. When we get into John's Gospel account he makes a strong point that "He gave the right to become children of God" to His redeemed and adopted children. Paul emphasizes this change in Galatians 4 as well - we aren't accounted among those charged with the sabbath any longer. We have something better now

 

[Cribstyl]

I considered watching the video, but when I saw the time of 1 hour 28 minutes I realized that I simply can't stay in one place to absorb it. It would have been nice to have a summary of the message, but behold! We have a witness who has seen it! All is not lost

Trust me Vic, this video comes with the happy ending .

Getting this from the video sounds very much like what I have gotten from years handling Scripture. And I agree with your impression.

If you listen to 20 minutes of it, you'll get back to the rest. It covers much ground of the arguments we've made for years.

 

[VictorC]

Trust me Vic, this video comes with the happy ending .


If you listen to 20 minutes of it, you'll get back to the rest. It covers much ground of the arguments we've made for years.

I will make an effort to watch the video. Do you know if there is a MP3 available for download somewhere? My network connection at home is too slow to stream video reliably, and I have problems with YouTube for that reason.

 

[Cribstyl]

I will make an effort to watch the video. Do you know if there is a MP3 available for download somewhere? My network connection at home is too slow to stream video reliably, and I have problems with YouTube for that reason.

I'm sorry I cant help now, I'm in a Valentines Day panic.

 

[BobRyan]

The good news is that there are a number of Sunday Sources that cover the issue of the New Covenant and the Moral Law of God including the Ten Commandments - available online as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

-- See section 19 in either of the "Confessions of Faith" sources listed above.

The bad news for you is some of these people say the Christian Sabbath is Sunday

The bad news for you is that this list of what I call "Sunday Sources" - choose Sunday and yet STILL admit that all TEN Commandments are applicable to the saints today - and that the seventh day Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden -

You keep repeating the same point I am making in that quote - as "if" it is helping your down-sized-to-NINE or "Abolished" view of the Ten Commandments which they flatly reject.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[VictorC]

I'm sorry I cant help now, I'm in a Valentines Day panic.

I was able to watch the video for 45 minutes during my lunch break. It is very well done - it covers the Biblical definitions of the covenant the children of Israel were to abide by, shows what the sabbath was, and doesn't shy away from handling areas where some might see problems in the text. I can even predict what was to follow when it started to embark on the purpose of the sabbath. Top recommendation!

 

[from scratch]

The good news is that there are a number of Sunday Sources that cover the issue of the New Covenant and the Moral Law of God including the Ten Commandments - available online as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

-- See section 19 in either of the "Confessions of Faith" sources listed above.



The bad news for you is that this list of what I call "Sunday Sources" - choose Sunday and yet STILL admit that all TEN Commandments are applicable to the saints today - and that the seventh day Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden -

You keep repeating the same point I am making in that quote - as "if" it is helping your down-sized-to-NINE or "Abolished" view of the Ten Commandments which they flatly reject.

in Christ,

Bob

I'm sorry but your selected quotes don't line up with others things the same people (sources) say besides they all worship on Sunday which proves they aren't teaching the law and specifically the 4th.

 

[from scratch]

That's quite reasonable

So I wonder why and how our counter parts can pass over this fact.

 

[Cribstyl]

So I wonder why and how our counter parts can pass over this fact.

Those under the law choose to be blind to the gospel. The law is perfectly logical to them. Somehow they don't see themselves falling short of the law.

 

[BobRyan]

The good news is that there are a number of Sunday Sources that cover the issue of the New Covenant and the Moral Law of God including the Ten Commandments - available online as well.

The "Baptist Confession of Faith"
The "Westminster Confession of Faith"
The Catholic Catechism
D.L. Moody
R.C Sproul
Andy Stanley
Thomas Watson

-- See section 19 in either of the "Confessions of Faith" sources listed above.



The bad news for you is that this list of what I call "Sunday Sources" - choose Sunday and yet STILL admit that all TEN Commandments are applicable to the saints today - and that the seventh day Sabbath was kept by mankind in Eden -

You keep repeating the same point I am making in that quote - as "if" it is helping your down-sized-to-NINE or "Abolished" view of the Ten Commandments which they flatly reject.

I'm sorry but your selected quotes don't line up with others things

And now you provide even "less detail" with your accusation?

How is that supposed to work?

they all worship on Sunday

yes these "Sunday sources" all worship on Sunday - they then more like "your sources" not mine yet even they get blatantly obvious points that you appear to struggle with.

For example - these Sunday Sources - make statements like this.


Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

That makes it "worse" for the argument you are making - not "better".

in Christ,

Bob