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Your understanding of God is seriously flawed.
Well there is no God to understand, so that probably adds to the confusion.
The reason I have not answered your question is because you apparently can't tell the difference between the definition of "kill" and "murder". You use flawed logic to accuse God of murder and then ask me to defend that. I reject the premise of your question, so I will continue to ignore it.
I'm pretty sure previously I asked if you were okay with killing someone for picking up sticks. That doesn't have the premise of murder you object to.
So I'll ask... is it okay to kill someone for picking up sticks on the Sabbath?
So, you should really learn what the difference is between "kill" and "murder". So far, we've talked about killing Jews and unborn babies. But we can also talk about killing chickens, killing child rapists, killing flies, killing mass murderers, etc. Killing is done lawfully for lots of reasons. Many people kill chickens, cows, and other animals for food or population control. Also, people may kill another person in self defense or during war. Some people kill others on accident. So what we've got to do first is define what is the morally wrong type of the word "kill". And the morally wrong type of "kill" is "murder". Murder is defined as "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." I think it's interesting that you understand that what is acceptable by the law is not always what is morally right. I would agree with that.
You seem to disprove your understanding of murder here. You agree that something legal can be wrong, so I assume you'd also agree that something illegal can be moral. Something being unlawful has nothing to do with something being murder (Murder is a moral, not legal sense).
The most important point is that you can't define murder just by using a dictionary. If murder means unjust killing, then you must explain why a certain type of killing is unjust. Personally, the only bit of your definition I think I agree with is the 'premeditated killing' bit.
Sure, we should define murder, but I was sort of hoping you would agree that killing someone for picking up stick on a particular day of the week is definitely and obviously wrong. If you don't accept that then, in my opinion, you have HUGE conscience problems going on.
I suppose my simple definition of murder would be: The killing of a being which doesn't want to be killed, with the exception of self-defence and the defence of others.
Of course that is a basic definition and would need more explanation.
This comment is in reference to my suggestion that there is a similarity between the holocaust and "abortion on demand". Did you know that Hitler was an evolutionist?
Did you know Hitler drank water?
Here's a quote from a website concerning the holocaust:
"Due to his Nazi ideology, which was founded in fascism and anti-Semitism, Hitler saw the Jews as less than human. He believed them to be an internal enemy of Germany and a racial issue that needed to be resolved in order to create his Master Race. This was part of the Nazi belief that Aryans were the superior race and that they should perform a cleansing based on race, religion, sex, gender, and other elements to get rid of those who were an impediment to the Nazi goals in society."
Did you see the phrase "less than human"? This is what many people say when asked about why they aborted a baby. They say that "it wasn't a person".
I agree that the fetus isn't a person... just like I assume you don't think non-human animals, plants, and rocks aren't persons. I assume you don't think saying plants aren't persons makes someone like Hitler, so you can't claim the same of me and fetus'.
I wouldn't say the fetus is 'less than human', because I don't think humans are better than anything else... there is nothing less than human.
Usually their justification for that statement is that the baby hasn't been born yet. In one popular type of abortion, the baby is totally grown and the baby is brought completely out of the womb, except for the head, and the surgeon takes scissors into the back of the neck and scrambles the brains until the baby dies. Also, it's strange that they consider a baby who is born at nine months is a person, and a baby who is born 2 months early is also a person. But, if the baby doesn't get born and it's 7 months along, it's NOT a real person. So the similarity again is how they view the victim. Hitler considered the Jews "less than a person", so doesn't it sound awful now to say that an unborn baby is "less than a person"?
I never say an unborn baby is less than a person. I also don't think coming out the womb magically makes a being a person. So I think killing infants is morally acceptable.
Fetus' and infants are morally the same as cows, etc. They, like cows, don't want to live (have self-conciousness), so it's okay to kill them.
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